The State of Laptop Linux In 2005 422
jg21 writes "LinuxWorld's senior editor James Turner reports this month on what he calls The State of Laptop Linux in 2005 and says it's a lot better than it was in 2004, but adds - after conducting his own new test to see if any Linux distro is yet really laptop-ready: "What's needed to make things better? Well, the Linux community needs to address the device driver crisis." Turner acknowledges that binary-only drivers are a sore spot with free software purists, but says he'd "rather have a fully functional, if closed, Nvidia driver than a reverse-engineered one that limps along." Overall though he concludes that widespread laptop Linux is much closer now."
Here you go........ (Score:4, Informative)
Linux On Laptops (Score:5, Informative)
Gentoo on my Dell D600... (Score:5, Informative)
SUSE 9.2 Pro is good for me? (Score:3, Informative)
After wrestling with Red Hat, Mandrake, Slack and Gentoo, my laptop finally found a home with SUSE Professional.
It "just works"; therefore, I spend more time working and less time messing around trying to force things to work?
Whilst I do enjoy messing around with various distros, the time does come when I need to get work done, and SUSE lets me do this, including (almost) seamless co-operation with my company Windows-LAN?
Just my 0.02 Euros worth.....
Re:Here you go........ (Score:5, Informative)
Here I KW from the FAQ:
Binary Drivers (Score:2, Informative)
The annoying thing is (Score:2, Informative)
But then I noticed
- that I had to give a kernel parameter at boot (including manually editing grub.conf) to get full functionality for the keypad
- that everytime the USB-printer is not plugged CUPS goes into "Error/Stop" mode and must be reactivated manually (via the web interface). This is just annoying.
- that to use the USB stick and camera, I had to manually add an entry to
Those are no problem for me as a long-time Linux user but are just annoying. Plus, for the simple casual user, it may just look if "printer, usb stick and mousepad just don't work".
Also often these annoyances are known and seemingly part of a higher philosophic approach. E.g, the CUPS behaviour has come up at the mailing list multiple times, and they said it's the expected behaviour.
Re:SUSE 9.2 Pro is good for me? (Score:2, Informative)
With SuSE being the most laptop-friendly distribution out there, you would think they would make an effort to get the latest version of it. They did give 9.1 high marks so I'm not too upset, but 9.2 adds even more improvements.
Re:Happy with my laptop, but... (Score:2, Informative)
None of them support sleep perfectly with Linux. I have tried dozens of different guides and distros to get it to work, to no avail.
But with OpenBSD, it just works perfectly. OBSD is slower for my work, but its worth it because my battery now lasts an average of 3 hours and 20 minutes with it, and only about 2 hours with linux.
HAL + DBUS + GNOMEVFS (Score:2, Informative)
HAL + DBUS + GNOMEVFS
I plug in a USB stick or a Sony camera and it's automatically loaded in (stick is explored, camera triggers a dialogue asking to import the photos) without adding anything to fstab.
Re:powerbook (newer ones released in Febuary) (Score:2, Informative)
http://lists.debian.org/debian-powerpc/2005/02/ms
It turns out they changed their touchpad significantly for the newest versions of the powerbook. I eventually gave up and started using OS X. I'm pretty happy with it, but it's still a little different.
So if you have a newer powerbook (bought since Febuary), I'd look in to the mouse problem before I considered installing linux (yellow dog or otherwise).
Re:Installation woes (Score:2, Informative)
Linux on Laptop (Score:2, Informative)
Though knowing how notoriously bad Dell is with Linux support, I bought an Insipiron 600m anyway.
There's gentoo running on it, and everything works. Well, I don't think the modem works, but I have never had the occasion to use it. It could be working, for all I know.
And I mean, everything from cpu frequency scaling and suspend and hibernate, to stuff like the special touchpad features and 3D, native wifi drivers, all works fine.
I use Gentoo.
Point is, it depends on what you consider 'Support'. It is in most cases possible to make any device work on any distro.. It all depends on how much tinkering you are willing to put in. With Gentoo, you do your own configuration... I don't know how much of this stuff would have been picked up by the 'auto-hardware probe' scripts that come with most binary distributions.
Re:My Take from a windows user at home (Score:3, Informative)
Ubuntu 5.04 of IBM ThinkPad T42 (Score:5, Informative)
Boots off CD and installs like it should? Check.
Detects all hardware devices during the installation, even the wireless card? Check.
Sound works? Check.
Video works? Check minus (see below).
Power management works, meaning sleep and suspend to disk (hibernate) work flawlessly and CPU speed throttles correctly? Check.
Modem works? Who cares!
Bluetooth works? Probably, but I don't have any BT devices to check it with.
IBM's Active Protection System works to protect the hard drive? Nope.
All function buttons for sleep, suspend, brightness, volume, etc. work? Yup.
So, I'm sitting here with a notebook that by current standards is running pretty darn good under Ubuntu, with a very small amount of manual configuration necessary to get this far. What's holding Linux back from running as nicely as Windows on the ThinkPad?
The video is the biggest problem. Ubuntu installs DRI drivers by default, which work pretty well, but lack 3D acceleration support. I can install the ATI binary drivers with a few simple commands, but they break suspend/resume functionality, which is arguably more important for most notebook users. I also won't be able to use the nifty ThinkVantage features on my expensive ThinkPad, like the Active Protection system.
So notebook users have a dilemma: do the Right Thing and handicap your system by installing Linux, or stick with the factory installation of Windows where everything Just Works. The never-ending battle of Morality vs. Functionality rages on.
(For those with the same/similar ThinkPad, see my quickly written guide [aaltonen.us] for more detail.)
Re:Happy with my laptop, but... (Score:1, Informative)
Has patches to enable Software Suspend 2. It works wery well on most rigs.
Re:Obviously not ready for the laptop (Score:3, Informative)
Re:powerbook (Score:3, Informative)
I'm writing this right now on my 15" Powerbook.
Stuff that doesn't work:
-Airport Extreme* (it probably won't ever)
-3d Acceleration*
-There is no Flash for PPC linux(*)
-Newer model's touchpad changed, but it will eventually be supported, probably.
-Sound (on mine at least) is kind of ghetto. No mixing, only one app can play a sound at a time.
(*) = A binary driver from the manufacturer must be provided for this to work. Except flash. There is a GPL flash plugin, but it doesn't really work.
Also, don't get a 12" Powerbook. They are much different internally than the 15, and I don't think sleep is supported. You'll also want a pcmcia slot for Wifi, since airport doesn't work.
Re:Power Management (Score:3, Informative)
It's ironic that Nvidia's Linux drivers are mentioned since they are one of the things that _stop_ suspend to RAM from working. I don't know if this has been fixed recently. I last upgraded about a month ago and it still didn't work.
I presntly use my Dell Inspriron 8200 more as a desktop than anything else because it is pretty-much useless as a laptop if I can't get the thing to suspend to RAM. Lord knows I've tried everything; ACPI, APM, latest kernel+patches, been there, done that, got the T-shirt. No joy.
I currently have the APM switched on and have to remember to switch off the Nvidia driver if I go anywhere where I need to flip the laptop into suspend mode.
Re:Ubuntu 5.04 of IBM ThinkPad T42 (Score:3, Informative)
glxinfo | grep direct
Re:Driver Crisis... (Score:1, Informative)
And give stuff like this a change
http://lists.duskglow.com/mailman/listinfo/open-g
slackware works fine ... (Score:1, Informative)
Hibernate works pretty good (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Installation woes (Score:5, Informative)
I mean, just look at what ATI has done with getting the older Radeon's supported with OS drivers. They have released a lot of info.
Re:SUSE 9.2 Pro is good for me? (Score:2, Informative)