Hoary Hedgehog Ubuntu 5.04 Released

Simon (S2) writes "Ubuntu Linux 5.04, code name 'Hoary Hedgehog', is now available. It offers the following new features: Simple and fast Installation, live CD's for Intel x86, AMD64 and PPC, GNOME 2.10.1, Firefox 1.0.2, first class productivity software, and X.org 6.8.2. Read the announcement and the complete release notes. Quick download links for the i386 architecture: ubuntu-5.04-install-i386.iso.torrent (587MB) and ubuntu-5.04-live-i386.iso.torrent (625MB). Install CD and live CD images for AMD64 and PowerPC computers are also available." Kubuntu is out in a new release as well. Screenshots available of the Kubuntu release. Update: 04/08 14:21 GMT by Z : Made the direct ISO links torrents.

Whacked names

[Anonymous Coward]

"Hoary Hedgehog Ubuntu"

And people wonder why the corporate world is leery of linux.

Remember guys...

[_Hellfire_]

Leave your torrent clients open after you're finished.

Let's not reduce Canonical's servers to smoldering piles of silicon over the next few days :)

Re:Torrents man

[Slack3r78]

You beat me to it. Direct linking to *two* 600+ MB isos on the front page of Slashdot? That's asking for disaster.

That said, I've got the torrent for both i386 and PPC going, can't wait to finally get this installed. I've run the dev builds of this on and off at different points, and it had definitely been shaping up to be a great, useful distribution.

Re:Gnome 2.10?

[Anonymous Coward]

No, stable Gentoo users are on 2.8. "Bleeding edge" Gentoo users can install the packages that are still considered "unstable" before they're moved in, if they want, but they risk encountering problems that have yet to be found in the testing process.

Poor attempt at a troll, try a little harder next time.

Re:My attempt

[Anonymous Coward]

This happened twice? :)

Re:x.org vs XFree86

[Jagasian]

I have been using X.org on Fedora for what seems like half a year now. I haven't noticed any difference in performance. The only thing that i have noticed is that it is less buggy, has a few more features, and the names of various configuration files and directories are different, though the formats of these files and directories are the same.

Considering that it started out as a simple fork of XFree86, you shouldn't expect a big difference between the two.

the big deal is

[jbellis]

it's an open (as opposed to several commercial debian derivatives) debian-based distro that isn't 3 years out of date.

lots of people love debian but wish stable weren't so old and testing were more... stable. :)

Re:Remember guys...

[Professor_UNIX]

Leave your torrent clients open after you're finished.

What if your ISP prohibits you from acting as a server? Many ISPs have that in their terms of service. Using Bittorrent opens you up as a public server basically. Better be safe than sorry and just use HTTP or FTP to download the ISOs if your ISP has this in their TOS.

Re:Gnome 2.10?

[Drooling Iguana]

It's harder to make sure that a package is stable when everyone's compiling it from source with different compiler settings.

Re:WTF?

[MrP-(at work)]

i'm a windows user (dont hurt me), and ive tried tons of linux distros over the past 10 years. ubuntu is the ONLY one that "just works".. everything of mine worked, it felt fast and clean. No spending hours trying to get it to work with my display, or trying to navigate the thousands of directories with multiple versions of applications that all do the same thing. Every distro ive tried just seemed so bloated and confusing, there was so much stuff i could never find what I wanted. But Ubuntu loaded right up, everything worked, it was super fast (i always wondered how people could use linux, it always seemed slower than a bloated windows install..but not ubuntu), i also like how theres only 1 gui to choose from. It's just fast/clean, and i may eventually switch to it

Re:Whacked names

[makohill]

If you'd prefer, there's a version number as well. It's 5.04. They are important so other people can take us seriously.

Fun codes names are so that we don't take ourselves too seriously. Much more dangerous IMHO. ;)

Re:Remember guys...

[Rude Turnip]

The "no server" rule is generally in there to cover the ISPs if you're serving up warez. Otherwise, if they make a stink, threaten to take your business elsewhere. IME, Comcast has never cared that I've been using torrents.

Re:Remember guys...

[b0bby]

I would say, if they give you grief about something as basic as this, that you should move ISPs. I know not everyone has a lot of choices, but those who do shouldn't put up with crap.

Re:Whacked names

[snorklewacker]

> I've got to agree. I've got no idea what it is, and with a name like that, I'm not inclined to investigate.

Hey, I just grabbed a kernel off kernel.org and copied some packages off a redhat box. Got a few from the suse box as well, and I think the same libc works with both, might get a segfault or two. I'm still working on some manpages. I'm calling it "Global Enterprise Management Linux", GEM for short. Pretty slick, eh? That just exudes stable and corporate, no?

The name is whimsy. The distribution is solid. If you can't look past whimsy, you have no understanding of Linux, and should not be planning a Linux strategy.

Re:hoary hedgehog: not cute, not clever. just stup

[Adelbert]

fucking dumb name.

I love how this was modded as "Insightful".

I persoanally think Hoary Hedgehog is a good name. One of the problems Linux faces in getting Joe Public to start using it is that the public needs to really engage with the product. Distos with constantly incrimenting version numbers must come across as cold and "tech-oriented". Hoary Hedgehog, however, shows Linux's more familiar side.

Roll on the Breezy Badger!

Questions

[danharan]

I tried Ubuntu's last release some 6 months ago on my aging Dell Inspiron 8200. It didn't install cleanly. Anyone know if it will now?

Other issues I had as a linux noob (I've used it at work, just never installed it) included annoyances like lack of support for mp3's and java.

Excuse me, but if you want a distro to become mainstream and you ship it with a music player, it shouldn't just vomit out "mp3 is not a recognized format" - it should tell you exactly how to make it work and where to find out the background on why it doesn't work out of the box.

Making mp3s was simple compared to getting java and Eclipse installed, but I'd rather buy a Mac than have to go through that again.

I still have that partition free though...

Re:Why is ubuntu so popular?

[toganet]

It's not that it's trying to do anything "better" -- it does everything well, and doesn't screw anything up. It "just works", and because it's debian under the hood, it's easy to add or change anything to be the way you want it.

If you're looking for something cutting-edge, whiz-bang -- something you'll have fun playing with and then install something over in a month or two, look elsewhere.

If you need a stable desktop that you can transition smoothly, Ubuntu is for you.

Re:Hoary Hedgewhat Ubun-who?

[Coryoth]

I'm getting to old for all this. I can even grok the names anymore. What happened to the days of "Visi-Calc" (a visual calculator) or "Draw" or "Write" or...

They got trademarked, that's what happened. Obvious names that "give an idea of functionality" are remarkably hard to come by. Let's try renaming GIMP to something more obvious shall we ... just make sure to google the names first to make sure they're not already trademarked:

Image - taken
Paint - taken
PhotoShop - taken (obviously)
ImageShop - taken
PaintShop - taken
PhotoPaint - taken
PhotoStudio - taken
PaintStudio - taken
ImageStudio - taken
PhotoSuite - taken
PaintSuite - taken
ImageSuite - taken
PhotoBox - taken
PaintBox - taken
ImageBox - taken ...

The list goes on. Dream up any name you like that implies painting, photos manipulation, images etc. and you'll find it is trademarked already. The same goes for most everything else.

Jedidiah.

Re:I may switch from Gentoo

[JerkBoB]

Ubuntu is debian and uses apt. You'll be right back in dependency hell.

... Guh?

I'm flabbergasted. You keep using this word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

Look, I'm not going to argue about source-based vs. binary-based distros or Ubuntu vs. MEPIS or whatever. I have no idea what you are talking about, man!

Maybe you have a fundamental misunderstanding of how Debian-based distros works. They have this cool concept of "Package Management." It's been around for a while, you should ask Google about it (or maybe you prefer AltaVista or Hotspot). The general idea is that you ask the package manager to get a package, and the package manager gets the package and all its dependencies! WOW!

Maybe you tried a Debian-based distro once, and hadn't taken time to understand how to use it. You were in the pre-apt RPM mindset of looking around for a .rpm, downloading it, and finding that you had to go find that RPM's dependencies by hand. I dunno... I'm trying to give you some credit here for not being a total idiot/troll.

You want to argue about source-based vs. package-based, or crazy optimizer flags for SUP3R-1337 FAST binaries (that load .10ms faster), fine. But saying that using Ubuntu will put you in dependency hell is just silly and stupid.

Re:GO HERE to get Ubuntu working how you want it..

[advocate_one]

you do realise that ms-windows is just as handicapped out of the box. It too, can't play DVDs or see Linux partitions... (to play DVDs in ms-windows, you have to have a licensed codec. That normally comes on the driver disk with your dvd drive if they've bundled a DVD player such as power dvd with it, or else has been pre-installed as part of the OEM bundle. Out of the box, as supplied by Microsoft, ms-windows cannot play DVDs)

Why live and seperate install cds?

[Sark666]

I always thought it was one cd a la knoppix. What is the hurdle of not being able to have both on the same cd?

And I checked the cd's they mail to you are the install cds. I thought the bonus of handing these out would be to be able to tell people 'don't worry, won't install anything, just try it out!' And then if they wanted to do so there would be an install option after checking it out.

Any plans to unify the live and install cd?

Re:I may switch from Gentoo

[listen]

I used Gentoo for a year after debian, and have now switched to Ubuntu.

I got bored. I could no longer be bothered to keep recompiling. It is just too much effort. And the worst thing is keeping up if you just wait a few things from ~x86. ( constantly messing with adding deps to /etc/portage/package.keywords )

sudo emerge sync
sudo emerge --update --deep --verbose --ask world
sudo emerge --verbose --ask depclean
sudo revdep-rebuild --verbose --ask
sudo /usr/sbin/dispatch-conf

Does get fucking nightmarish after a while. Sorry.
I hope things have progressed since then.

Also, AFAIK, you can only install multiple library versions if the ebuild is designed for that (slots and all that). The vast majority aren't. Guess what, you can do the same with debian - you just include the version number in the name of the package. eg see libdb in ubuntu or debian which has multiple versions.

I will grant you that making an ebuild is easier than making a deb. But the average quality *is* lower - don't try telling me you've never been faced with an utterly broken ebuild in x86.

And no, the issue you have is not "dependency hell "- this was common parlance for having to go round manually picking up rpms. I'd call it apt breakage - where the archive is in an inconstent state. This does happen with Gentoo as well - please don't pretend that emerge update has worked flawlessly for you every single time. And to be honest, I expect you were using an external apt-source.