Hoary Hedgehog Ubuntu 5.04 Released

Simon (S2) writes "Ubuntu Linux 5.04, code name 'Hoary Hedgehog', is now available. It offers the following new features: Simple and fast Installation, live CD's for Intel x86, AMD64 and PPC, GNOME 2.10.1, Firefox 1.0.2, first class productivity software, and X.org 6.8.2. Read the announcement and the complete release notes. Quick download links for the i386 architecture: ubuntu-5.04-install-i386.iso.torrent (587MB) and ubuntu-5.04-live-i386.iso.torrent (625MB). Install CD and live CD images for AMD64 and PowerPC computers are also available." Kubuntu is out in a new release as well. Screenshots available of the Kubuntu release. Update: 04/08 14:21 GMT by Z : Made the direct ISO links torrents.

Torrents man

[ShepyNCL]

Put a link to the torrents as well.

Its only through lawful and fair use of the technology that its not going to be attacked as a p2p mechanism. It was created for distribution of Linux isos, sue it for that.

And it saves the Ubuntu team some bandwidth

Installs:
http://us.releases.ubuntu.com/releases/5.04/ubuntu -5.04-install-amd64.iso.torrent [ubuntu.com]
http://us.releases.ubuntu.com/releases/5.04/ubuntu -5.04-install-i386.iso.torrent [ubuntu.com]
http://us.releases.ubuntu.com/releases/5.04/ubuntu -5.04-install-powerpc.iso.torrent [ubuntu.com]

Live CD:
http://us.releases.ubuntu.com/releases/5.04/ubuntu -5.04-live-amd64.iso.torrent [ubuntu.com]
http://us.releases.ubuntu.com/releases/5.04/ubuntu -5.04-live-i386.iso.torrent [ubuntu.com]
http://us.releases.ubuntu.com/releases/5.04/ubuntu -5.04-live-powerpc.iso.torrent [ubuntu.com]

-Shepy

Ubuntu rocks

[koody]

Download the torrent [ubuntu.com]

New stuff include

• Gnome 2.10.1, which makes the desktop a lot faster than before
• X.org
• Simplified update- and package management
• Much faster boot process
• Better laptop support (ie suspending, hibernating, processor frequency scaling)
• Kickstart support for automated largescale installations
• Live CD and Install CD both use the new debian installer infrastructure
• UTF-8 by default
• A program for collecting information about what hardware works and what doesn't
• Kubuntu [kubuntu.org] - complete KDE 3.4 based version of Ubuntu

Stuff people are going to bitch about

• No graphical installer. The current installer is extremely simple and has been streamlined even further in this release. A graphical installer is planned for the next version (Breezy Badger).
• No menu editor installed. One can always edit the files by hand, or install kmenu or something similar for gnome. The official gnome menu editor just didn't finish in time.
• No DivX or MP3 support. These are simple to add though and anyone coming from debian will probably already know of the Marillat repositories. Just look at the instructions in the wiki [ubuntulinux.org] or use Hoary After-Install helper [ubuntuforums.org] or another script [ubuntuforums.org] to do the dirty work for you.

OSDir has published a lot of screenshots of Ubuntu [osdir.com].

Oh and if you are interested to know if your laptop or other piece of hardware is supported, some info can be found in the wiki on the Hardware support [ubuntulinux.org]-page

Primary mirrors

• United States [ubuntu.com]
• United Kingdom [ubuntu.com]
• Europe [ubuntu.com]

Other mirrors

Australia [planetmirror.com] Canada [usherbrooke.ca] Croatia [carnet.hr] Czech Republic [ubuntu.cz] France [ovh.net] Germany [rfc822.org] Germany [kgt.org] Ireland [heanet.ie] Italy [mirror.garr.it] Lithuania [litnet.lt] Namibia [polytechnic.edu.na] Netherlands [stuwww.uvt.nl] Norway [uninett.no] Portugal [glua.ua.pt] Portugal [fe.up.pt] South Africa [is.co.za] Spain [aditel.org] Switzerland [switch.ch] United Kingdom [ubuntu.com] United Kingdom [mirrorservice.org] United Kingdom [hands.com] United States [tds.net] United States [umn.edu] United States [opensourcemirrors.org]

Torrents

[Simon (S2)]

Here are the Torrents on the US mirror:

Install CD:
i386 torrent [ubuntu.com]
amd64 torrent [ubuntu.com]
powerpc torrent [ubuntu.com]

Live CD:
i386 torrent [ubuntu.com]
amd64 torrent [ubuntu.com]
powerpc torrent [ubuntu.com]

They will even send you FREE CD's

[mathmatt]

Here [ubuntulinux.org] you can sign up for free CD's.

Annonce de la sortie de Ubuntu en français

[millette]

With a few friends, I restarted Nattor, the little CD vendor. We're not ready ready yet, but I had to translate de Ubuntu announcement in french [nattor.org], so there you go :)

OSDir has Ubuntu 5.04 screenies too

[linuxbeta]

Kubuntu 5.04 [osdir.com] | Ubuntu 5.04 [osdir.com]

DVD Torrent Links

[calc]

There are also DVD torrent links that include all of Ubuntu main.

amd64 - http://torrent.ubuntu.com/dvd/20050407.3/hoary-dvd -amd64.iso.torrent [ubuntu.com]
i386 - http://torrent.ubuntu.com/dvd/20050407.3/hoary-dvd -i386.iso.torrent [ubuntu.com]

Re:Whacked names

[Anonymous Coward]

Hoary Hedgehogs are common in South Africa and businesspeople relate very well to them. As well as the elephants and lions on the street corners and the aardvarks and jakkalse. Of course, if it was called Sprinkbok, life would be much better....

Re:Real question

[Bleeblah]

1. Edit your /etc/apt/sources.list file and replace all instances of "warty" with "hoary". 2. sudo apt-get dist-upgrade

Distrowatch

[grokster]

I am sure it will become one of the top distributions very soon.

Seen the Distrowatch [distrowatch.com] ranking?

Re:Real question

[pr0fess]

add the hoary repositories to /etc/sources http://ubuntuguide.org/4.10/index.html%23upgradewa rtytohoary [ubuntuguide.org]

Kuntu torrents too!

[MastaStealth]

Hey, here are 2 Kubuntu torrents too... Kubuntu-i386 Install: http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/hoary/kubuntu-5 .04-install-i386.iso.torrent [ubuntu.com] Kubuntu-Amd64 Install: http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/hoary/kubuntu-5 .04-install-amd64.iso.torrent [ubuntu.com]

Instructions to upgrade warty to hoary

[jhdevos]

http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryUpgradeNotes [ubuntulinux.org]

If this goes as easily as most of my past debian upgrades, I will be running Hoary in about 30 minutes :-)

Jan

Re:WTF?

[speel3k]

beacause it just works simple as that .. you plug in a thumb drive it mounts you put in a music cd it works yea i know this is probably easy to set up your self and also no more dependency hell lol and as i said again it just works

Re:Ubuntu rocks

[idn]

About the media support you can just get VLC from the Ubuntu repositories and that plays pretty much everything.

Graphical installer has been moved to the next release as has some other nice hci improvments like a boot splash

Re:Ubuntu on Distrowatch Hit List

[elasticwings]

I switched to Ubuntu from Fedora Core 3 a few weeks ago. To be honest, as a desktop, Ubuntu has Fedora beat hands down for me. It runs hella faster on newer hardware. It's setup to work with Apt/Synaptic by default. The Gnome desktop is much newer than the one they're using with Fedora Core 3. I know they have the new version of Gnome in FC4 Test 1, but it has lots of problems. Ubuntu works and works well. Oh and the apt servers are alot faster than the ones for Fedora. In general, I've had alot of good luck with this distro. As a matter of fact, I installed it on a newly aquired laptop last night. Once again, it works beautifully.

Gratis Shipped CDs

[makohill]

Like last time, we're also sending out free pressed CDs in the mail (gratis CDs, gratis shipping). If you want them, you can sign up for them at http://shipit.ubuntulinux.org [ubuntulinux.org]

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my two cents

[outcast36]

The other posters are correct in changing the apt sources. There are a few post-install steps http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/ReleaseNotes504 [ubuntulinux.org]

My upgrade didn't include ubuntu-desktop, so I had to add it via apt manually (synaptic was acting weird). When I was done with that, I rebooted & nautilus wouldn't show me my homedir, and I lost all my icons (1 document) on the desktop. One more reboot and everything looks good.

If anyone wants to tell me that best python IDE in GNOME I'd be grateful.

Re:KDE and Gnome

[digidave]

Or just download Ubuntu and 'apt-get install kubuntu-desktop' and you now have a system running KDE identical to the Kubuntu CD. Or install the Kubuntu CD and 'apt-get install ubuntu-desktop' and you get the same results.

the ubuntu and kubuntu packages are meta-packages that install whichever desktop you want.

Re:Please install!

[Anonymous Coward]

You sound like you might be interested in Kubuntu [kubuntu.org] - it's Ubuntu, but using KDE instead of Gnome. Damn silly idea if you ask me, but it takes all sorts ;)

Re:Real question

[_Hellfire_]

It's fairly straightforward:

1) Grab a root console (Applications->System Tools->Root Console) and type the password for the first unprivilidged account on your system.

2) vi /etc/apt/sources.list

3) Replace the lines that are marked thusly:

deb http://ubuntu.../ [ubuntu...] warty main

and type this instead:

deb http://au.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu [ubuntu.com] hoary main restricted
deb-src http://au.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu [ubuntu.com] hoary main restricted

deb http://au.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu [ubuntu.com] hoary-updates main restricted
deb-src http://au.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu [ubuntu.com] hoary-updates main restricted

(ignore Slashdot's anti-goatse domain display feature)

Note: this may be as simple as replacing every instance of warty with hoary - but I'm not sure.

3) Save the file (ie esc :wq [enter])

4) type apt-get update

5) type apt-get dist-upgrade

6) Wait for everything to download, cross your fingers nothing breaks and enjoy.

disclaimer: it's late at night. I may have missed something...

Re:Does the LiveCD write anything to the hard disk

[MrP-(at work)]

A few months ago my psu went out.. it caused my hard drives to keep shutting off.. and for a few days i needed an OS to use while i waited for my new psu to ship. I used Ubuntu Live.. what a life saver, best distro ive ever used

But anyway, my drives were disconnected and it didnt give any errors so i assume it doesnt write anything

I also tried like hell to crash it since it was all in memory, i tried loading everything i could think of, did tons of complex tasks, etc, i couldnt crash the damn thing! =P

Re:Ubuntu as a server platform?

[makohill]

Great and loads of people are using it that way.

There is a server installation option. It will not install any services in any default install. But then again, when I build a server, I want to start with a blank slate and install what I want anyway. :)

Re:Gnome 2.10?

[zborgerd]

As far as I can tell, GNOME 2.10.1 isn't supposed to be released until next week... And that's just a proposed date: http://live.gnome.org/TwoPointEleven [gnome.org] It is true though that there are several "2.10.1" tarballs out there, as bugfix releases for next week.

Re:Minimum requirements?

[ssj_195]

I don't think I've ever seen Firefox grab less than 32MB of RAM, even with a blank tab :p

I've heard that VectorLinux is good for older hardare, and DamnSmallLinux (which fits on one of those miniature "business card" CDs) comes with Firefox now - might want to give those a try :)

Re:Jackass Linux

[michael186]

"How is that last one pronounced?" "yuk-ul-sa" Afrikaans for jackels.

Re:Does the LiveCD write anything to the hard disk

[makohill]

Does the LiveCD write anything to the hard disk ?

No, it does not. I suspect he had a problem with our first prerelease install CD, not with the Live CD that was seperate from his Live CD issues. In any case, the Live CD code is all new now and no, it will not write anything to disk or torch your MBR.

Re:Minimum requirements?

[jrasmussen0]

Ubuntu can do this but you should use XFCE desktop or another stripped down desktop for that little memory.

If you install Ubuntu (Hoary or Warthog), then hit 'Esc' after the reboot to choose to start up in 'safe mode' (no gnome startup). Then log in as user and run 'aptitude'. When it asks you to run as root just type in the user password, there is no root password. Type '/' and search for 'xfce' and press '+' to select, then 'g' to go and download and install. The quit aptitude and 'sudo reboot' (which may ask for the user password).

At the graphical login screen. Click on the 'Session' option and choose XFCE.

Re:WTF?

[natrius]

I think another thing that helped Ubuntu out in terms of popularity is that it came out right when Linux on the desktop was getting it's shit together. Ubuntu was the first distro I used back in September that had HAL and the Project Utopia stack, so when I plugged in a digital camera and it asked me if I wanted to import the pictures, it was pretty amazing.

Another good thing is Ubuntu's code of conduct, which basically ensures a friendly community. The Debian community was notoriously hostile, while people can ask questions on the Ubuntu IRC channels and mailing lists and not worry about being flamed.

DVD Install Images

[EAVY]

Ubuntu 5.04 now provides images for installation from DVD. The DVD install image includes all supported packages, including those Not installed by default.

Ubuntu 5.04 (Hoary Hedgehog) Install/live DVD [ubuntulinux.org]

The combined install/live DVD allows you either to install Ubuntu permanently on a computer, or (by entering 'live' at the boot prompt) to try Ubuntu without changing your computer at all. There are three images available, each for a different type of computer:

Install/live DVD for AMD64 computers (BitTorrent download) [ubuntulinux.org]

Install/live DVD for Intel x86 computers (BitTorrent download) [ubuntulinux.org]

Install/live DVD for PowerPC computers (BitTorrent download) [ubuntulinux.org]

Re:Please install!

[Anonymous Coward]

Kubuntu doesn't require a separate distribution, it's more of a configuration item. You can take a plain Ubuntu Hoary installation, apt-get install kubuntu-desktop and presto, you're running Kubuntu. Some of Kubuntu still depends on gnome libs under the surface, but nothing that's visible to the user.

This may be important when deciding what torrent to join.

Re:Real question

[rhennigan]

Or if a CLI scares you a bit, it can be done with the synaptic package manager (you can find it in the menu). Look for repositories in the settings menu and change all instances of "warty" with "hoary". Reload the list, hit the mark all upgrades button, then apply and watch the latest Ubuntu roll in. It worked great for me with no problems. Imagine that! Doing something big with Linux and not even having to open xterm, though it's awesome to know that it's there if you want it. Ubuntu rocks!

Re:Torrents man

[Hannes Eriksson]

Direct linking to *two* 600+ MB isos on the front page of Slashdot? That's asking for disaster.

Actually, it's a good stress test for our ftp server (also ftp.se.debian.org and ftp.gnome.org); we now know that it tops out at a sustained rate of 70MB/s given hundreds of users requesting several gigabyte of data (totally thrashing disk cache).

Re:Please install!

[rhennigan]

The guy behind this (I forget his name) has invested a small fortune

You're thinking of Mark Shuttleworth. Check him out on wikipedia [wikipedia.org] or his own site. [markshuttleworth.com]

Re:I wish debian was as cool as ubunto

[dilinger]

Yea, once sarge is finally released...

Anyways, in the meantime, here's xorg compiled for sarge:

deb http://www.acm.rpi.edu/~dilinger/xorg/ [rpi.edu] ./

Re:Whacked names

[10Ghz]

And, AFAIK, "Hoary Hedgehog" is also a codename. The name of the OS is Ubuntu Linux, this is version 5.04, further known as Hoary Hedgehog.

Problems with Ubuntu

[katz]

I've been using Ubuntu/x86_64 with the Kubuntu KDE distribution for the past four weeks. It's nice to have a decent installer and a system that works almost out of the box (past configuring the system for small personal preferences).
As much as I like this, there are other things that make it difficult for me to use it:

1. Wacom is not supported out of the box, and the Wacom driver module packages are incomplete (the build rules don't copy anything but wacom.ko). It'd be great to be able to install Ubuntu or Kubuntu and have the Wacom tablet work as advertised on the Linux-Wacom Driver Project [sf.net] page.

2. I got errors booting Grub with / and /boot on a raid1 device. On every bootup. Perhaps Ubuntu could support grub+raid1+root+boot in the future; see here [dell.com] for details. I was unsuccessful at getting LILO to boot, too. Maybe it's a hardware thing [1].

3. On Ubuntu/x86-64 win32 video codecs run only under a chroot'd 32-bit environment. Ubuntu could make this task easier/more seamless (for example, I want to see videos with Kaffeine or Xine, but AIUI they have to be run in a chroot environment.. that's not very seamless..)

4. It'd be great to have the installer automatically install the commercial NVidia drivers. They're currently an optional package.

5. Also great would be the inclusion of Jeff Garzik's SATA thermal sensor patches for libATA, available here [kernel.org].
With this patch, hddtemp works on SATA drives.

6. Ubuntu doesn't seem to have installation-time setup of the "sensors" package (i.e., run sensors-detect and install the modules as needed automatically).

7. Missing packages. Kubuntu was missing (last I checked a few days ago) the Python bindings for KDE. For that matter, there are packages that don't exist for x86_64 systems, like Psyco, Flash and the Adobe Reader.

I've since switched to Alioth's Debian/x86_64, but would happily switch back when Kubuntu-x86_64 matures, as Alioth does not seem to have 64-bit KDE 3.4.0 packages (could be wrong though).

references:

1. My motherboard is a MSI NEO K8T FIS2R with an Athlon64/3200+.

- Roey

Re:Kubuntu Torrents?

[Anonymous Coward]

Try 'apt-get install kubuntu-desktop' from an ubuntu root terminal

Re:Instructions to upgrade warty to hoary

[iCEBaLM]

The funny thing is that the installer will complain about using grub on an xfs partition-I had to install LILO. However, booting up, installing grub using apt and installing it myself worked absolutely perfectly. Grub works with xfs, what's the big deal?

Re:WTF?

[jonadab]

> can someone please explain to me what the sudden infatuation with Ubuntu is?

Yeah. It's like this, see: There are five major classes of distributions using the Linux kernel: Debian-based, rpm-based, tarball-based, source-based, and specialty distributions. Specialty distros, such as Coyote, are just aimed at a particular use, so they don't show up much on the desktop. The tarball-based distros and to some extent the rpm-based distros are what most people use, it seems, but they have some problems, especially in terms of dependency resolution. urpmi and similar tools help, but there are still some, err, issues. I've been using Mandrake as my primary desktop for some good while now, and I mostly like it, but there are issues. I experimented with Gentoo, but that was a little *too* bleeding-edge for me, and it works your hardware pretty hard if you update often.

One of the chief selling points for Debian-based distros has always been apt-get, which supposedly handles dependencies very nicely, but doesn't have the compilation overhead of Gentoo. However, installing Debian itself (the stable release, that is) is like stepping back in time to the late paleolithic. I tried Sid, but couldn't get it to install to an actual bootable state, much less get a desktop running. The stable realease I got bootable, but getting a desktop running promised a fair amount of old-school pain -- hand-tweaking mode lines in XF86Config and stuff. C'mon, RedHat conquered that in 6.0, during the late bronze age, when most of us still had ISA expansion slots and an ethernet card was considered an optional extra on many new PCs.

Please note, I'm not trying to say Debian is bad. A lot of people really like it, and I suspect I might too, if I could get it set up and working. It does have frustrations, though. One of the servers I have an account on has Debian Stable, and getting recent Perl modules installed off the CPAN is far more problematic than on newer systems, for instance. I suppose that's a minor quibble, but for somebody coming from Mandrake, which is a bit more on the cutting edge side of things (though not to the same extent as Gentoo), it's a little annoying to go through the entire OS install, with eight disks, and discover that after all that you don't even have GTK2 installed. Gah. Some of us find that frustrating in 2005. I think some parts of the installation routine (most notably dselect) are older than my graphics card, which is a Matrox Mystique that I got in January 1998. In 1998, using dselect felt like a reasonable option -- I mean, installing Windows95 was a real pain too, and I was accustomed to using DOS, which you usually installed by manually copying the files. (I think DOS 5 and 6 theoretically came with an INSTALL.EXE, but it was primitive enough that nobody used it. DOS 3 didn't come with one at all. But DOS is no longer a major contender for desktop systems in 2005, either.)

So this is where Ubuntu comes in: it's based on Debian, but it's modern. Other distros have come along before that were Debian-based but more modern and desktop-oriented. There was Lindo^H^Hspire, for instance, but Ubuntu is more open and closer to the Debian way of doing things, except for the fact that it's more modern than Debian stable. Yet, while it's not as stable (in the "hasn't changed since Grandpappy used it" sense), as Debian stable, it is nevertheless fairly stabilized in the sense of mostly working, not having so many bugs as to render it useless, and so on -- it's cutting edge, but it's not *bleeding*-edge like Gentoo can be at times. For some of us, that just feels like the right balance.

Right now, I'm still using Mandrake for my main system -- I don't like to migrate often or prematurely -- but I'm evaluating Ubuntu on the side, in VMWare, and may switch to it if it's good to me. It shows promise. It's got my attention. I'm interested.

I hope that explains why people are interested in Ubuntu. It's why *I* am interested in it, at any rate.

Ubuntu still has its problems

[aikon29]

I'm running Hoary RC2 right now, finally got it all installed and working properly last night. Unlike what some people have said, it doesn't properly configure and install everything first boot EVERY time. The audigy drivers were installed correctly, yet no sound was coming out of my speakers. It took some hunting, but I later found out that my Analog/Digital out jack was turned off in alsamixer. Turning that on fixed the problem. Secondly, while the nvidia drivers are available, at least with my GeForce 6800, they aren't loaded and configured properly on initial boot. You only find out when you try to log into Gnome only to find your system freezes up. Nothing an apt-get install nvidia-glx wouldn't fix, though. Ohter thank those two problems Ubuntu seems to be a fairly stable distro. I came over to it from Fedora and must say that I like it a lot more. Using synaptic to manage packages beats downloading rpms and solving dependency problems with Fedora. Though, yum wasn't too bad.

Re:Minimum requirements?

[wrecked]

The XFCE developers keep their own Debian package repository for the latest version (4.2). Instructions for XFCE and Debian [os-works.com] on their website.

GO HERE to get Ubuntu working how you want it..

[wernst]

The VERY FIRST THING you should do as an Ubuntu user is go to The Unofficial Ubuntu Starter Guide at http://ubuntuguide.org/ [ubuntuguide.org]

Ubuntu, in an attempt to be totally free, can't do things like play DVDs right "out of the box," or isn't configured to list or mount Windows partitions in Gnome. Even if you are a total beginner, spending half an hour at the Unofficial Ubuntu Startup Guiide will get you up and running and totally happy with your new distro.

The Unoffical Startup Guide should be required reading for any Ubuntu user. Heck, EVERY Distro should have a site just like it -- the Linux world would be a better place for it. And no, I have nothing to do with it other than being a grateful reader...

Re:Real question

[_Hellfire_]

Seriously though anyone else see the irony in a linux distribution known for its LiveCD requiring manual editing of config files for upgrades?

Sorry, as I said, it was late at night.

You can do everything I just said graphically with Synaptic - I think someone already posted the instructions elsewhere in this thread.

No touching the command line, no editing of config files, no symlinking to a new distribution.

I'm not trying to get into a distro pissing contest, but I think normal people (ie people who do things like install software and run Windows Update all by themselves) could manage the upgrade.

Oh and just to head off "But normal people can't find the power switch omg lol!!!" trolls, yes I know grandma can't maintain her computer. She shouldn't be sorting through patches on her Windows box, and she shouldn't be upgrading from Warty to Hoary with no assistance. I mean your average white collar office worker who can stumble his way through an installation of MS Office could probably stumble his way through a Hoary upgrade after reading about it on the website.

Seriously, have you used Ubuntu, or are you just going on what I said?

Re:Ubuntu as a server platform?

[ceswiedler]

I'm going to upgrade my Sarge server to Hoary this weekend. I love Debian but testing breaks too much and stable is too old. The basic idea of Ubuntu is that they support the most popular / important packages from Debian, but still let you install almost all of the other Debian packages (via universe). For me, the packages I needed from universe were stuff like Gallery and SpamAssassin which I don't consider critical for security updates.

The advantage is that the software is recent but reasonably well-tested, will have security updates for the core (non-universe) packages, and can be upgraded in six months to the next version. It solves the Debian problem of choosing between old stable or broken testing / unstable. It's also completely free and has a good social contract along the lines of Debian. The development process seems reasonably open and the community is pretty strong, especially considering the young age of the distro.