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Fedora Core 3: Worth The Upgrade? 498

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Chris writes "With new features such as SELinux, GNOME 2.8, KDE 3.3, Evolution 2.0, Remote Desktop, Helix Player, and of course Firefox, it may be worth your while to make the switch. At OSDir our screenshot tour of Fedora Core 3 takes you through boot, installation, desktop, taskbar, menus, configuration, and the new features of this new release. Our Core 3 screenshot tours have taken you through Test 1, 2, 3, and now the final release. Check it out."
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Fedora Core 3: Worth The Upgrade?

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  • by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 15, 2004 @07:46AM (#10818695)
    ]$ cat /etc/yum.conf
    [main]
    cachedir=/var/cache/yum
    de buglevel=2
    logfile=/var/log/yum.log
    pkgpolicy=ne west
    distroverpkg=redhat-release
    tolerant=1
    exa ctarch=1
    retries=20
    obsoletes=1
    gpgcheck=1

    # PUT YOUR REPOS HERE OR IN separate files named file.repo
    # in /etc/yum.repos.d

    It is a little empty compared to the preconfigured Fedora Core 2 and 1.
  • Re:Size? (Score:5, Informative)

    by prefect42 (141309) on Monday November 15, 2004 @07:49AM (#10818701)
    AFAIK a minimal install only uses the first CD. A default workstation install uses three, but barely touches the last. I don't know what a default desktop install uses.
  • by suso (153703) on Monday November 15, 2004 @07:56AM (#10818723) Homepage Journal
    As I found out the hard way over this past weekend, they left out all the java and java related rpms that FC2 had.

    Are they using two different development teams for Fedora the way RedHat did for the x.1 and x.[02] releases?
  • Can't stand it (Score:5, Informative)

    by Gambit Thirty-Two (4665) on Monday November 15, 2004 @08:00AM (#10818741)
    I installed it on a fresh xeon 2.6ghz and I was abhorred at the slowdown. FC2 was a LOT faster than this is.

    I'm not talking of booting into X and doing things in there. I'm talking just getting to a login prompt and attempting to sign on.

    I'll go back to slackware before I load FC3 again
  • Re:Size? (Score:5, Informative)

    by prefect42 (141309) on Monday November 15, 2004 @08:06AM (#10818768)
    In which case do the HTTP install, and don't even download that much. I think the rescuecd can function for this purpose, and it's fairly small (about 80 meg).
  • by Nailer (69468) on Monday November 15, 2004 @08:07AM (#10818769)
    Frankly, a whole bunch of numbered image files does not make for a Fedora review. Personally, I can't even bother sorting through them all.

    I run Fedora Rawhide on my laptop. This would be the equivalent of say, Debian Unstable. So I have a good idea of what FC3 offers...

    - Bluecurve theme finally covers everything.In particular, Firefox and OpenOffice look like every other KDE or Gnome app.

    - If what I've seen in the RHEL 4 beta is the same for Fedora, partitioning now uses LVM by default. There's a new GUI LVM config tool called 'system-config-lvm' in Rawhide to provide the post-install disk resizing. Additionally, online resizing with ext3 should work and, if you use RHEL, be supported.

    - Firefox and Thunderbird.

    - SELinux turned on, including policies for locking down Apache, Bind, and NIS. A GUI config tool is provided for this.

    - There's apparently improvements to yum which I'm not sure about. Personally, I'm a fan of up2date, which can use directories full of packages (without needing index files) as one of its sources.

    - Udev. /dev only includes devices that actually exist in your system. This is kinda nice. e2labelas deprecated, as there's now a whole bunch of ways to uniquely refer to devices rather than just their label. This is good for people who hot plug a lot of devices.

    - HelixPlayer is now included by default.

    - Bash 3 - not much difference for me, apart from the new inbuilt range system that obsoletes the old 'seq' command. If you call it as /bin/sh, it runs as Old School Bourne shell.
  • by Nailer (69468) on Monday November 15, 2004 @08:10AM (#10818779)
    Are you sure FC2 included Java packages? Such items are usually included on an extras CD, but shouldn't be part of FC unless their licensing permits them to - unlikely to be the case with the 2 popular closed-source JVMs.

    That saiud, the Java Packaging Project (which includes some Red Hat staff) have repositories for FC.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 15, 2004 @08:13AM (#10818788)
    FC3 is really fast on my Athlon 1.4Ghz Thunderbird and it has really good font rendering but I experienced some hurdles:

    My system has both EIDE devices and SCSI devices. If I use eg. my EIDE cdrom drive I cannot use my SCSI cdrw drive anymore as this system seems to use the ide-scsi emulation layer per default. The SCSI cdrw is only detected by Nautilus if I put a cd into it (I don't like these autostarters)

    I tried to build ReZound http//rezound.sf.net/ [slashdot.org] but it failed to compile

    Neither does Audacity

    When compiling MPlayer it fails to build with GUI and it fails to play sound if you playback a video

    These are problems which I don't have with my other SuSE system (on the same machine)

    JAVA: I don't like to have gcj installed instead of a real JVM

    MP3: none of the installed sound tools can play or record MP3 files

    The eth0 device is automatically detected but the DSL configuration doesn't configure eth0 to be used with pppd. As a result the kernel tries to start eth0 but fails and the pppd connection starts afterwards. This unnecessarily slows down the boot process.
  • by Soko (17987) on Monday November 15, 2004 @08:14AM (#10818793) Homepage
    The nvidia failure can be due to 2 things:

    You have SELinux turned on. I've set mine to "Warn" until I understand it just a bit better. If you didn't turn it on, keep reading.

    Once SELinux is disabled, run these in order:
    [root@rsd800fc3 ~]# modprobe nvidia
    [root@rsd800fc3 ~]# cp -a /dev/nvidia* /etc/udev/devices
    [root@rsd800fc3 ~]# chown root.root /etc/udev/devices/nvidia*
    Should fix you up. The reason AFAICT is that the NVIDIA driver is not aware of udev, which FC3 now uses.

    BTW, NVIDIA released a new driver the evening FC3 was released - go get that too : 1.0-6629 [nvidia.com]

    Soko
  • by smartin (942) on Monday November 15, 2004 @08:22AM (#10818835)
    The NVidia problem is discussed here [lwn.net] with a work around. Hopefully the new version mentioned above will solve it.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 15, 2004 @08:30AM (#10818860)
    before people start complaining about stability and features, FC is a developer oriented experimental type OS. it's not meant to be as "polished" or have as many neat stable features as other distros, this is a test platform.

    if you want stable releases of everything, 3rd party apps(that aren't free software) and corporate support, go get novell, suse, mandrake, slackware, whatever, but don't bitch about FC.
  • by OneHungLo (265284) <honkeykong@honke ... minus physicist> on Monday November 15, 2004 @08:32AM (#10818868) Homepage
    I was in the exact same boat. CD burning never worked in FC2, unless I wanted to manually run mkisofs and cdrecord from Bash. It works fine in FC3 with the built-in CD/DVD Creator, and with K3B.

    The NVidia driver is only a real problem because of "UDEV" or whatever it's called. I guess it's supposed to dynamically load all the drivers at boot time, but it won't load them unless they were a part of the initial driver installation. If your machine is hanging at "Configuring Kernel Parameters" on the boot screen, run the FC3 rescue CD, mount your root filesystem and do
    chroot /mnt/sysimage
    vi /boot/grub/grub.conf
    (or whatever your favorite editor is)

    Locate the line that points to your current FC3 installation, remove "rhgb", and change the 5 to 3, so that instead of trying to load the graphical boot and go to runlevel 5, it will put you in a runlevel 3 terminal. Save your changes, exit, remove the CD, and restart your machine. Boot into FC3, and you should be at your terminal. Log in as root, and do this:
    modprobe nvidia
    cp -a /dev/nvidia* /etc/udev/devices
    chown root.root /etc/udev/devices/nvidia*
    If you want, after that is finished you can edit your /boot/grub/grub.conf again, change the runlevel back to 5, and re-add rhgb. Once you reboot, as long as you made the xorg.conf adjustments in the NVidia installer README, your machine should boot normally.

    Now if only they would include kernel source in a default installation, it would be almost perfect.
  • by Soko (17987) on Monday November 15, 2004 @08:35AM (#10818885) Homepage
    The new version does not solve the udev issue - you still have to run those three commands.

    Soko
  • by lauterm (655930) on Monday November 15, 2004 @08:39AM (#10818901)
    Supposedly the NTFS killing bug was specific to upgrading to FC2. I don't remember the details, but a clean install is preferable anyway with the LVM and SELinux changes.
  • by digitect (217483) <[digitect] [at] [dancingpaper.com]> on Monday November 15, 2004 @08:51AM (#10818948) Homepage

    Judging by the 50 posts thus far, Red Hat/Fedora appears to have fallen out of favor with the averaging posting SlashDot reader. Nothing but a string of complaining, despite most being unfounded or flatly wrong.

    Fedora Core 3 is a terrific GNU/Linux distribution. On one hand, it contains only Free software. No proprietary, patent protected, or closed source. Everything included is safe and the principled users of software can be at ease.

    On the other hand, it is very polished. There are no dark corners of breakage, everything Just Works(TM). Network, video card, printing, CD burning, fonts, office applications, PDF viewing, email, file browsing, graphics, etc. All the little niggles of versions past (not just Red Hat either) been resolved to result in this super clean and functional distro.

    As a Red Hat user since 5.0, Fedora Core 3 is the first version I feel is good enough for a non-geek Windows user to try. There won't be any surprises. Much of this is simply the development of GNOME 2.8, but Red Hat (ok, the Fedora Core team) has done an excellent job IMO of refining the base, too.

    Now I'm sure posters can (and will) lament the downside. Fedora Core 3 will not be found perfect, featureful, fastest, most flexible, most standards compliant, most free, or the most usable. But across the board, FC3 is the best at fulfilling a balanced set of these qualities.

  • Re:Size? (Score:5, Informative)

    by Epistax (544591) <epistax@NospAM.gmail.com> on Monday November 15, 2004 @08:58AM (#10818991) Journal
    Actually you can do an http or ftp install from just the boot image which is about five megs. That's how I installed it. I don't see a reason to download several gigs of things I don't use, such as emacs.
  • by slivkoff (728318) on Monday November 15, 2004 @09:00AM (#10819010)
    I've been using FC3 for about one week now. Both of my external firewire drives (Maxtor) are working seamlessly with FC3. All three of my externals--these drives and my USB Flash drive--show up on the desktop (thus, fstab is working flawlessly). Real nice. I have a dual boot machine, with XP (NTFS). No problems with the install (I did a fresh install).
  • by marvin2k (685952) on Monday November 15, 2004 @09:07AM (#10819047)
    I was a bit shocked about the many bugs I immediately ran into after a clean install.

    - If you deselect Gnome and select KDE instead when doing a custom install then Fedora will boot straight into TWM because /etc/sysconfig/desktop still says 'desktop="GNOME"'.

    - If you deselect the graphics tools you'll not be able to print from OpenOffice (in some cases?). Fedora recognized the Epson C40UX printer but when you try to print nothing happens (not even an error dialog). After turning the CUPS log-level to debug I found that CUPS was trying run a script called "ijgimp..." (don't remember the exact name) but that script doesn't exists. Seeing the name I installed gimp plus all addon packages and now printing worked...kind of because the output was heavily distorted. Messages on the web say the printer works out of the box with the "stp" driver on older Fedora Core versions but "stp" is not selectable in CUPS anymore it seems so printing doesn't work for me now.

    - ISDN is very broken. During the boot process I get a "failed" when Fedora tries to load the ISDN modules for the Fritzcard ISDN yet when I then call "/etc/init.d/isdn start" after login the modules load fine...except that I get a weird error in the log that says udev cannot find an appropriate sysfs class for ippp0. Also when I now configure a ISDN dialup connection using redhats tool and click "activate" the connection is up but the status in the tool still says "deactivated". There also doesn't seem to be a tool included that makes it possible to easily connect or disconnect from the system tray, I had to create my own icons on the desktop calling isdndial and isdnhangup.

    - In a different case installing Fedora Core 3 on my Toshiba Satellite M30 requires the addition of a modeline in xorg.conf to make X11 work properly on the WXGA 1280x800 screen. Also I have to add "psmouse.rate=40" (again, I would have to go look to get the exact name) as bootparameter to make the touchpad work properly.

    All of this was right after installation even before I was able to really use the system.

    I've used RH since about 6.x and went through all the versions up to Core 3 but after installing that one I really feel like I've been kicked in the balls. I know that this is supposed to be the "hacker" version used as a testbed for RHEL but the outright shoddy level of QA suprises me. They had three test releases and a bug as grave and visible as the Gnome/KDE/TWM one doesn't get noticed? If anything Fedora Core 3 reminds me that Linux still has big (!) issues on the home desktop and is still very hard/impossible for the newbie to install.
  • by opkool (231966) on Monday November 15, 2004 @09:15AM (#10819090) Homepage
    Whatabout reading?

    The first splash screen on boot from the CD says "Press F1 for options". Press 'F1' to access a (text) screen where you can read that typing "text" will start the installer in text mode.

    And this is all explained in the Installation Documentation from all Mandrake releases.

    I know that reading is an arcane science. However, you should try it.

    Peace
  • by /ASCII (86998) on Monday November 15, 2004 @09:25AM (#10819138) Homepage
    It's called SELinux, it was written byt the NSA, and even without it you already have pretty fine grained control over file permissions using groups and file permissions. What SELinux gives you is the ability to also restrict such things as network access, the right to fork, run execve, switch userid, etc. SELinux can grant these rights not only based on userid, but also on which program is run.

    In the end, what this gives you is a system where, if a process using a properly configured SELinux has been taken over (0wn3d), it can't do anything other than screw up it's own job, unless it figures out how to fool SELinux.
  • by tindur (658483) on Monday November 15, 2004 @09:38AM (#10819222)
    According to comment no 161 on this [redhat.com] page it still has the bug.

    It's no problem however if you follow instructions on this [lwn.net] page.

  • FC3 on my laptop (Score:3, Informative)

    by FrostedWheat (172733) on Monday November 15, 2004 @09:44AM (#10819261)
    I installed this over the weekend on my slow 333MHz laptop, and I have to say it's really quite nippy. Definitly faster than FC2.
  • by ajs (35943) <ajs@noSPam.ajs.com> on Monday November 15, 2004 @09:45AM (#10819269) Homepage Journal
    I tried to build ReZound http//rezound.sf.net/ but it failed to compile [...] Neither does Audacity

    Well, that's hardly Fedora's fault. You could always port those packages and contribute back the changes... Many packages end up relying on compiler or library features that they should not. I've had problems compiling some pacakges that don't play ball with the newer glibc because of this. These projects should be appropriately spanked and given patches.

    When compiling MPlayer it fails to build with GUI and it fails to play sound if you playback a video

    I'm running mpalyer and mplayer-gui as provided, what did you need to compile your own for that SRPM wasn't sufficient for?

    JAVA: I don't like to have gcj installed instead of a real JVM

    gcj has nothing to do with the JVM not being present. The JVM is not present because it's not free. Talk to sun about releasing it under an OSS-compatiable license.

    MP3: none of the installed sound tools can play or record MP3 files

    This is, of course, old news. Red Hat stopped shipping anything related to MP3 a long time ago due to patent concerns. You can always get the mp3 goodies from elsewhere, but Red Hat won't ship them and hasn't since RH9 (possibly as far back as 8, I'm not 100% certain).

    Your other comments are quite interesting, and I'm not trying to say that the above aren't problems, it's just that I think you want to keep some perspective on these issues which don't all have trivial solutions.
  • by cybrthng (22291) on Monday November 15, 2004 @09:47AM (#10819280) Journal
    I've given FC1, 2 and 3 a try on everything from my XP2400 to my Athlon64 3400 and its grossly over-hyped and grossly under polished for a desktop system.

    I don't know about you, but i don't expect my desktop to run slower, my disk IO to chug along and my drivers and system to be stuck in DLL hell.

    Suse 9.2 on the other hand was much more refigned, less "bastardized" (all the redhat focus on gnome) and much quicker.

    Ofcourse i'm the unlucky SOB with a ATI 9800 pro card expecting support under X.org on a 64bit platform.

    However Solaris 10, Windows 2003 x64 and Windows XP 64 all run flawlessly, quickly and have a polished feel to them compared to FC *.*

    Call me a troll if you want, i'm just utterly dissapointed in the fedora releases for anything but a server - and even then i'm not fond of Redhat'isms.

    Another year? sure... but by then Microsoft and others will have polished & tweaked and nailed the market.
  • Re:Screenshot tour? (Score:3, Informative)

    by Slack3r78 (596506) on Monday November 15, 2004 @10:09AM (#10819421) Homepage
    Here's the thing, most of the newer distros I've dealt with "just work." In fact, I specifically mentioned Dropline Gnome because DG 2.8 paired up with Kernel 2.6.9 is the most impressive thing I've seen when it comes to desktop Linux I've ever seen, going back to when I got into the scene around '98.

    Freedesktop.org's HAL, while still immature and definitely not without bugs, essentially turned Linux into a completely different OS from a desktop perspective for me. The nasty supermount hacks are replaced by CD automounting that works like it should, hardware autoconfigures itself, config files are handled on their own. It's really amazing how different my ease of use was after a simple system update.

    As far as NLD goes, the only thing you have to pay for are the Red Carpet updates, the OS itself is free for download. I'm sure free updates will spring up from the community much like they did with RH, and the distribution itself is so polished that it really does add to the sense that FC is somehow lacking something. And it's based on a history of SuSe releases almost as lengthy as FC's. :-) I can't wait til they put out a release with Gnome 2.8+ and the HAL stuff enabled, as that should elevate it from being a nice distro, to being a really great one, IMO.
  • Re:Screenshot tour? (Score:3, Informative)

    by LWATCDR (28044) on Monday November 15, 2004 @10:24AM (#10819523) Homepage Journal
    There is nothing special about Fedora except that it just works.
    Debian is nice but you have to use unstable and testing if you want anything that is up to date.
    Mandrake is nice also URPMI is a great tool. I recomend it highly except I did not feel all that comfortable when using it without X.
    Fedora I like. YUM is a good tool for updating and installing software. I have found it super stable. I have had no real problems with it. It is free and comunity driven. Suse is also a good distro for desktop and servers. I find it odd that you are dissing Fedora because it just works.
  • Re:Size? (Score:4, Informative)

    by slimak (593319) on Monday November 15, 2004 @10:25AM (#10819532)
    Actually Windows XP does include burning. Just copy files to drive and select burn (similar to OS X's implmentation). IMHO this is actually very intuitive a makes creating a simple data CD very easy. I am guessing that we will see a similar version of CD burning in the near future from some distros.
  • Re:Size? (Score:2, Informative)

    by nmx (63250) <<nmx> <at> <fromtheshadows.net>> on Monday November 15, 2004 @10:39AM (#10819631) Homepage

    I am guessing that we will see a similar version of CD burning in the near future from some distros.

    Nautilus already has this.

  • Re:Evolution 2.0 (Score:3, Informative)

    by The Asmodeus (18881) on Monday November 15, 2004 @10:41AM (#10819645)
    That's odd. I do IMAP over SSL and it's faster than 1.4 for me. I have about two dozen folders with several hundred meg of mail in them so it's not like it's a small task to scan my email.

    My observations where over a cable modem so YMMV.

    Keep in mind that SSL doesn't like packet loss so if your network was experiencing any problems...
  • some details (Score:2, Informative)

    by zogger (617870) on Monday November 15, 2004 @10:45AM (#10819693) Homepage Journal
    Fedora brand Redhat has the legacy project for updates of older versions [fedoralegacy.org], and official Redhat you pay for has (RHEL) 12-18 month release cycle and 7 years support for each of the 3 versions [redhat.com]. A clone to redhat proper is Whitebox linux. [whiteboxlinux.net]
  • Coral Cache Link (Score:3, Informative)

    by Abjifyicious (696433) on Monday November 15, 2004 @11:03AM (#10819848)
    Since the site is getting bogged down and nobody's posted one of these that I've noticed, here's a

    Coral Cache Link [nyud.net]

  • by ptomblin (1378) <ptomblin@xcski.com> on Monday November 15, 2004 @11:14AM (#10819932) Homepage Journal
    There is a CD-ROM on there.

    I always thought that making your hard drives the masters and your CDs the slaves was the preferred arrangement? At least, that's what it said in one of the readmes in the kernel source last time I checked.
  • by maraist (68387) * <michael@maraistNO.SPAMgmail@n0spam@com> on Monday November 15, 2004 @11:30AM (#10820093) Homepage
    OK, I'm nieve. How do you do that - disconnect from a running display?

    Screen is not graphical but instead a pts (pseudo-terminal) multiplexer. Meaning a background process sits inbetween your pts port and your real terminal. "Screen" accepts all output (logs some fraction and dumps history-overflow), such that the underlying applications have no ability to determine whether there's a physical terminal at the other end or not. By accepting all input, it prevents applications from pausing once 2k of stdout has been queued but not sent/accepted. It's similar to redirection output to /dev/null, except that pts-inquieries won't fail (because you're talking to a real pts instead of a generic file). The biggest advantage, of course, is that an end user can disconnect or reconnect from the intermediate "screen" multiplexer (given the appropriate permissions).

    Another feature of screen is similar to "virtual desktop". Since you have a multiplexer, "screen" allows a single physical terminal to switch between multiple pts channels.. So if you have a dial-up-modem (direct terminal, not TCP/IP), you can have dozens of different "windows" with different applications running in each (multiple vi windows, several command prompts, several log files, etc). If the modem hangs up, you dial back in, and type "screen -r", and you're back as if nothing had happened. You're alternative was to run all applications with "nohup myapp myargs" and if the modem hung up, then stdout would be redirected to a file.. This way you don't lose the output or have an interruption in say a slow compilation. But the problem is that you can't regain interactive access to a something like vi window. (Course, text editors have their own recovery capabilities).

    So the original poster was trying to say that they wanted these incredibly valuable features in a graphical form. vnc and rdesktop allow a user that has their network connection broken to be reconnected without the underlying graphical applications ever being made aware of the interruption. With X and a static IP-address, there are time-out issues. And more commonly we move to different machines or different access points and thus necessarily can not recover a graphical session with X.

    X was designed as client-server with state. It is this state that necessarily prevents it from acting like VNC or rdesktop. "screen", vnc, and rdesktop keeps it state on the machine with the running application. X keeps the state on the machine with the physical monitor/keyboard/mouse. I believe the original idea of this design decision was to distribute resources. The application server only performs tasks related to function, not display. Graphics becomes simply the ability to handle events and send graphical commands to a network access point. The terminal is then responsible for all resources related to interpreting graphical commands. This is similar to the postscript paradigm. postscript is a series of "logo" like commands (draw a box from this point to this point), and the printing resource determins how to render the fonts/color schemes, etc. Unlike postscript, however, X graphical commands aren't encapsulatable into a portable relocatable format since there is bidirectional communication going on.

    Another particular of X is its peer-application structure. To run X, in addition to the terminal software and the physical applications, you need a font-server and a window manager. While this is great for pluggability (and even clusterability; running a single-threaded graphical program across 4 different machines), it necessarily provides greater latency for even simple tasks.

    vnc merely adds a multiplexing layer to the back-end of X or windows, just like screen. So vnc necessarily adds a layer of overhead to the graphical process. More importantly there is an impeedence mismatch between the graphical transport of vnc and that of X. X is designed to send postscript-like graphical commands (draw a square of this size fi
  • by mauriatm (531406) on Monday November 15, 2004 @11:40AM (#10820175) Homepage
    To address most of your problems:
    Fedora Core 3 Installation Guide [mjmwired.net]
    MPlayer Fedora Guide [mjmwired.net]
  • Re:Documentation? (Score:2, Informative)

    by gears5665 (699068) on Monday November 15, 2004 @11:43AM (#10820209)
    it doesn't really exist for fedora core 3 yet. However it's not too different from FC2 and that exists to some extent.
  • by BrianWCarver (569070) on Monday November 15, 2004 @11:45AM (#10820230) Homepage
    If you are already running Fedora Core 2, then you can use yum to upgrade to Core 3. (yum is like apt.)

    Read these good instructions on how to do this yum upgrade [brandonhutchinson.com].

    I plan on following them later this morning and so I won't be part of the bottleneck downloading the .isos.
  • Re:Size? (Score:1, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 15, 2004 @11:47AM (#10820242)
    I don't even know what separate download you refer to, but it is not the equivalent of a standard linux distribution development environment

    Huh? If you don't know what he's talking about, how can you say what it is or isn't?

    You can download the VS.NET 2003 command line compiler, albeit only shipped with static libraries to link against, and the WinDbg debug UI. All the docs are online. What else do you need?
  • by prefect42 (141309) on Monday November 15, 2004 @11:54AM (#10820331)
    Again compiled for, doesn't mean exclusively for. They've optimised for P4, compiled for 586.
  • Re:Screenshot tour? (Score:2, Informative)

    by IMightB (533307) on Monday November 15, 2004 @12:18PM (#10820648) Journal
    Erm, the business types? Just about every company I've ever worked at has used Redhat/Fedora or Suse running. The reason they like it is that
    A) It just works
    B) Have tools to make configuring easy
    C) If needed, (Very Very Rare), you can get support from Vendor.
    D) Updates and installation are easy and quick. No configuring from source, you don't have to worry about configuring the source *Just Right* when your updating your customers server, you don't have to worry about having everything the customer needs compiled in and downtime is very minimal. The majority of the time, if you need to do anything, all you have to do is 'service program start'.

    Also, many companies do not have very good tracking of what features or services were added and when. Especially over time, as the support department Alters/Tweaks it via support requests. It is must easier to keep track of "Sepecial Cases"

    In short, both Redhat/Fedora and Suse make excellent distros for business types. The rest for the most part appeal to the "Geeky" types for one reason or another.
  • Re:Screenshot tour? (Score:1, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 15, 2004 @01:10PM (#10821191)
    My only gripe so far is for the ATI card.
    It doesn't compile.
  • Re:Size? (Score:2, Informative)

    by pbrammer (526214) on Monday November 15, 2004 @01:47PM (#10821595)
    chkconfig

    OR

    /etc/rcn.x directories where startup scripts are stored based on the runlevel "n". Simply remove the symbolic link, or rename the start up and kill scripts to lowercase S & K's.

    OR

    If you are using the GUI, there is a services screen that works just like your friendly Windows utility.
  • by prockcore (543967) on Monday November 15, 2004 @02:09PM (#10821798)
    Does anybody know how to REALLY turn off font antialiasing in FC3 ?

    Go to Preferences -> Fonts

    Pick "Monochrome" for Font Rendering.

    Antialising just plain sucks if used on modern LC displays

    Maybe you should pick "Subpixel smoothing" instead.
  • by flosofl (626809) on Monday November 15, 2004 @03:26PM (#10822633) Homepage
    It won't be in there. You have to explicitly turn it off. Add the following to /etc/modprobe.conf:

    alias net-pf-10 off
    alias ipv6 off

    Not absolutely sure if the second line HAS to be there, but the first one does.

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