Technology Review Profiles Miguel de Icaza 231
prostoalex writes "Technology Review has a feature story on Miguel de Icaza, currently Novell VP of Product Technology, but more known as the leader of Gnome and Mono projects. Miguel is the man Don Box would like to see joining Microsoft for his "amazing amount of raw energy". If you read through the Technology review article, you will see that de Icaza was actually turned down by Microsoft at some point."
Re:You can't be both. (Score:4, Informative)
The blurb here makes it sound like he was begging on his knees for them to take him on. Not quite what the article describes. He's not the least "confused on what side he's on".
Re:Miguel has told you why (Score:2, Informative)
Finally, there seems to be no reason to suppose that Java is somehow more flexible than
I'm not advocating the use of Mono (and I'm certainly not advocating the use of Windows), but arguments against it should be technically correct.
Kluge
Python (Score:1, Informative)
Re:Miguel has told you why (Score:5, Informative)
(the same developer that did Jython now has
a very fast implementation called IronPython that
was unveiled and demostrated at OSCON).
The problem is with languages that require pointers:
Fortran, C, C++ and some extra support is convenient
for some functional languages that the CLR
provides.
I mean, nothing really ground breaking, but the
CLR had a chance to learn from Java's limitations.
The new MS C++ compiler generates pure CIL executables
when using the
way of integrating existing C/C++ codebases with
managed codebases.
Miguel.
Re:hrm... (Score:2, Informative)
Yes. But face it:
Windows.Forms isn't "standardized" by ECMA, and it's very Windows-centric. Mono needs Windows.Forms in order to run GUI-based
Not quite correct. You can make GUI-based
Even though Java is proprietary, Sun has bent over backwards for years to get the community involved and keep the community involved.
I'd say they've done a lousy job, from the OSS community standpoint. There is no good free implementation of Java yet. Because Sun is possesive when it comes to Java. NOT because of forking or anything like that.
If Sun was scared of forking, they'd make the Java Compatibility Kit freely available. It costs thousands of dollars, terms that no OSS developer could possibly agree to. Sure Sun wants a community, but only on their terms. Sure they're far better than MS, but they're not 'bending over backwards' either.
Re:hrm... (Score:5, Informative)
http://primates.ximian.com/~miguel/tmp/two-stac
One is the Microsoft compatible one.
The other one is where we are pouring our energies:
An ECMA core with the following on top:
There are quite a few of other open source stacks
for the ECMA CLI today that range from research
to practically useful.
Miguel.
Re:Godwin's Law (Score:1, Informative)
Re:hrm... (Score:5, Informative)
(I should update that graph with the latest version
where we point that out).
Windows.Forms will be available in a few months.
Re:hrm... (Score:2, Informative)
Microsoft and backwards compatibility (Score:2, Informative)
This clown posts this whenever Migue/Mono comes up (Score:3, Informative)
This clown has been posting the same drivel on slashdot since time immemorial and I don't believe a word he says.
Re:Major Tom to Ground Control (Score:3, Informative)
That's pure FUD, and shows a complete lack of understand of the issues involved.
Samba has had problems with SMB because SMB was an undocumented protocol that changed as new features were added. Not because Microsoft was making changes just to screw them.
Seriously, get a clue.
Re:The other side of Miguel (Score:3, Informative)
I have never been detained, its a shame, because
the legend is a lot more interesting than the real
story
Miguel.