Jeremy White And Mad Penguin On CrossOver Office 3 113
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SilentBob4 writes "Today, a review of CrossOver Office 3 (written by Preston St. Pierre) as well as an interview with the founder of CodeWeavers Inc., Jeremy White (written by Adam Doxtater) have been published for mass consumption. It looks like CrossOver Office/Wine has come a long way since the dark ages of Linux science. Congratulations to the developers on both teams on a job well done. The interview with Jeremy is better than any I have seen recently."
do we still need it? (Score:4, Insightful)
Hmmm.. Makes me think of OS/2 (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Wine (Score:5, Insightful)
MS Office has been runnable with Wine for years, so your argument kinda goes down the drain.
Re:Hmmm.. Makes me think of OS/2 (Score:5, Insightful)
There might be a slight tendency for commercial software vendors to not bother porting their apps to linux because of wine, but that's becoming harder and harder as linux edges closer to critical mass. And with heavyweights like IBM and Novell behind linux, I wouldn't be too worried.
Re:do we still need it? (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Hmmm.. Makes me think of OS/2 (Score:4, Insightful)
Actually, I've seen some pretty compelling arguments from people who used OS/2 at the time that Windows support did not harm it, and in fact probably helped - they have claimed that the main reason OS/2 failed (and of course there were many) was that IBM didn't market it well: they weren't even selling machines with it on themselves at one point.
Regardless, whether it hindered or helped OS/2 is largely academic. Application support is one of the big things currently stopping a mass migration to desktop Linux, along with inertia/lack of experience and some general immaturities in the technology. Nat Friedman of Novell has said that app compat is the number one blocker for their sales team.
So Wine really is necessary, simply because it doesn't make sense to rewrite every desktop program in the world to use the Linux APIs. To be frank, humanity has better things to do.
Disclaimer: I'm a Wine developer so am somewhat biased. But on the flip side, I wouldn't be working on Wine if I didn't think it was important.
Re:Hmmm.. Makes me think of OS/2 (Score:4, Insightful)
Too little, too late. (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Hmmm.. Makes me think of OS/2 (Score:3, Insightful)
Or, better, you hire somes developpers to work on Gimp.
Is it really more expensive to do that ?
access and project (Score:4, Insightful)
Where I work there needs to be open source software that can work with these files and probubally perfect functionality in wine for them.
More to the effect there needs to be an open source counterpart.
Re:Hmmm.. Makes me think of OS/2 (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Hmmm.. Makes me think of OS/2 (Score:4, Insightful)
No,
OS/2s Win16 support (and Win32 lest we forget) was not the reason that platform went by the wayside. There were a TON of reasons that went by the wayside including marketting (IBM is starting to get better at this), amount of knowledge needed to administrate OS/2 boxes (was more than Windows 3.x and 9x boxes), cost (OS/2, for the most part, cost more), and did I mention marketting? :) I was a TeamOS/2 member at one time and I tried to do my part to spread OS/2 around (got about 15 people to switch in the end) but damn IBM didn't help matters one little bit. On top of everything else, we had the lovely lovely FixPacks? Anyone remember those? Nothing like 20+ floppies, get 18 disks in, one bad floppy, start from Step 1 sort of thing.
Ok, I'm done ranting because even I see I'm not making too much sense. In short, Win16 compatibility wasn't the downfall of OS/2, IBM and OS/2 were the downfall of OS/2. Still an excellent system even today with some excellent concepts, but buried by no marketting effort. No mindshare equals no market penetration equals no apps (I know, there were a lot of shareware and a good bit of commercial stuff out) equals no mainstream users equals dead product.
CliffH
Crossover is a serious application. (Score:5, Insightful)
This is Crossover's value-add to wine: it takes care of all of the wine details for you, so that you don't have to be a wine coder with all of the detailed Windows
I have to use MS Office XP for my work in print media and publishing. I also need Photoshop from time to time, though with GIMP 2.0 this need is greatly reduced.
MS Office XP, Internet Explorer, Photoshop, and Windows Media Player all work perfectly under Crossover with Wine. I will never have to use Win4Lin or VMWare again or cope with a full Windows desktop again!
Now that I have seen wine actually work, and work brilliantly, I believe in it to a much greater degree.
Early /.ed but already a lot of troll..comments ;) (Score:2, Insightful)
The story talk about an interview and somes others things not avalaible (because of
But people don't feel the need to read the interview to comment it and to begin flamewar about wine-not wine, Msoffice standard or not, etc...
Funny (already more than 50 comments)
Well, moderator, I think that the next step of
Simply put a subject and we can troll on it. Today : "WINE" !!! Yeah...
Re:do we still need it? (Score:1, Insightful)
Re:Hmmm.. Makes me think of OS/2 (Score:2, Insightful)
Apart from the GIMP threat, don't most major software firms have an interest in seeing Microsoft brought down a bit to prevent them being such a threat?
Re:Hmmm.. Makes me think of OS/2 (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:do we still need it? (Score:4, Insightful)
Here the bastardization of the english language is complete. Interesting that the word "niche" (pronounced 'neesh'), can be mis-pronounced as 'nitch' by so many people, that it will then become phonetically mis-spelled as "nitch" by someone.
What's next? "My computer has 512k of level 1 catch"?!?