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Gentoo Linux Announces Gentoo Linux 2004.1 377

Keppy writes "The departure of Daniel Robbins hasn't dented the progress of Gentoo Linux with version 2004.1 being released. ... please support Gentoo by purchasing something from the online store. The Gentoo homepage also has a short message about the future of Gentoo Linux now that Daniel has left. ' Robbat2 writes with an excerpt from the linked announcement: "Please consult our mirror index for download locations and the Gentoo Linux Installation Handbook for detailed installation instructions. Support for Gentoo Linux 2004.1 can be found through our user community by way of the Gentoo Forums, IRC, and various community mailing-lists. Release notes for each architecture can be found linked from the Gentoo Linux Release Engineering project page."
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Gentoo Linux Announces Gentoo Linux 2004.1

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  • by deutschemonte ( 764566 ) <lane.montgomery@nOspAM.gmail.com> on Wednesday April 28, 2004 @09:53AM (#8995643) Homepage
    This sounds more like a commercial than news to me.
  • Things of note... (Score:5, Insightful)

    by bc90021 ( 43730 ) * <`bc90021' `at' `bc90021.net'> on Wednesday April 28, 2004 @09:55AM (#8995663) Homepage
    1) For posts like this, it's good to be a subscriber. ;)

    2) It's good to see that the DR announcement has not changed anything in terms of release schedule, and the job they did setting up the hierarchy seems to be working very well.

    3) At least one mirror has a file claiming to be 2005.1. While Gentoo is great, I don't think that it's being delivered from the future. (At least not yet. ;) )

    4) The minimal CD is still only 82MB!

    5) Slashdot, could Gentoo get its own icon? It's here [gentoo.org]. Thanks!
  • by lacrymology.com ( 583077 ) <nospam@minotaurc ... .com minus berry> on Wednesday April 28, 2004 @09:58AM (#8995702) Homepage
    I am relatively new to the Linux game, so perhaps I am just ignorant -- so please forgive me if that is the case. However, it seemed to me as an outsider that true geeks used Linux, while mortals used Windows and Mac. However, having joined the fray it seems that within the Linux community is highly fragmented. Now it seems that the true geeks use Debian and Gentoo, while the mortals use Mandrake and Redhat. Weird.
    -m
  • Upgrade (Score:2, Insightful)

    by ChaserPnk ( 183094 ) on Wednesday April 28, 2004 @09:59AM (#8995708)
    What's the easiest way to upgrade for current users?
  • by __aahlyu4518 ( 74832 ) on Wednesday April 28, 2004 @10:02AM (#8995735)
    "The departure of Daniel Robbins hasn't dented the progress of Gentoo Linux with version 2004.1 being released. ... "

    Robbins anounced his departure.. what.. last monday ?? Ofcourse his departure didn't affect the release... it was already finished !

    And Robbins hopes to continue working on the release engineering aspect of Gentoo...
  • How to upgrade... (Score:1, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday April 28, 2004 @10:08AM (#8995799)
    No need to download this CD to upgrade.
    1. "emerge sync"
    2. "emerge -pv world"
    3. Look at the list of packages and see if you need to upgrade them, or if the upgrade will break something.
    4. "emerge [packagename]"

    Some people say to just "emerge world", which will upgrade everything on the system. Problem is that you don't really want to be doing blind upgrades like that. A new version that just came out could have some security hole in it that you don't know about. Also, you should only upgrade if the newer version is a security fix or has a feature you need. UPgrading for shits and giggles is not a good idea. Also, don't forget to run "etc-update". (but READ THE MANPAGE FIRST, it can severely bork your system if you don't do it right. Consult the Gentoo forums for more infol.)
  • by andy666 ( 666062 ) on Wednesday April 28, 2004 @10:16AM (#8995877)
    I should add, that your response is too typical of the linux community - "To get it to work is easy..just do such and such...oh it didn't work ? You must be ignorant" or some such insult. This is exactly the sort of nonsense that keeps linux from being widespead.
  • by IncarnadineConor ( 457458 ) on Wednesday April 28, 2004 @10:18AM (#8995897)
    Once you move to Gentoo you'll realize that true geeks use BSD. When you get there you'll realize they use Plan 9. And you'll never actually use Plan 9, because no one uses Plan 9, so the cycle ends there.
  • by Aneurysm9 ( 723000 ) on Wednesday April 28, 2004 @10:20AM (#8995925)
    Gentoo has an installer? That's news to me! Seriously, though, Gentoo doesn't really need an installer because part of the point is to build your system from a minimalist base. Sure, some scripts could be hacked out to automate most things like HDD setup and extracting the stage tarballs, but I think that providing an excellent install document (as Gentoo does) that forces users to understand a bit more about what is really going on under the hood saves many times the effort on the backend when something goes wrong because more users will have some clue where to start troubleshooting.
  • Re:Drobbins' store (Score:4, Insightful)

    by ViceClown ( 39698 ) * on Wednesday April 28, 2004 @10:22AM (#8995943) Homepage Journal
    Daniel has also accumulated on the order of about $20,000 in dept keeping Gentoo going so... helping the guy who gave us all Gentoo feed his kids isn't such a bad thing, IMHO :-)
  • Re:Drobbins' store (Score:5, Insightful)

    by cornice ( 9801 ) on Wednesday April 28, 2004 @10:24AM (#8995970)
    It seems that Drobbins could maintain ownership of the trademark and thus profit from the store indefinitely. That said, you obviously have not followed the effort and money that Drobbins has put into Gentoo. From a Gentoo Newsletter:

    In addition, Daniel will retain royalty-free rights to use of the "Gentoo" trademark and the "G" logo, allowing him to continue him to run the Gentoo Store if he wants, in order to support his family and attempt to pay some of the $20,000 in debt he accumulated during his tenure as Chief Architect.

    I think Drobbins deserves every penny that can be squeezed from the Gentoo store and then some. Thanks Daniel.

  • by Neil Watson ( 60859 ) on Wednesday April 28, 2004 @10:26AM (#8995990) Homepage
    The original poster has valid point. If you are installing Gentoo on the underwear covered machine at foot of your bed than the current install procedure is fine. You have the time to spare. For production, one does not have the time to duplicate the tedious steps of the Gentoo install procedure for every machine.
  • by Some Dumbass... ( 192298 ) on Wednesday April 28, 2004 @10:56AM (#8996314)
    Somebody mod this guy "Insightful". There seems to be a huge "I'm a bigger geek than you" factor involved in OS choice, at least on SlashDot. Despite what the BSD guys seem to think, I use Linux because I like it and because I'm familiar with it, not "because I hate MS". Despite what most Linux users seem to think, I use Mandrake because it gives me a powerful, easy to use desktop, not because I'm a "Linux noob" (exactly the opposite: I'd like to leave my Linux admin workload at work, thank you!)

    For a more topical example, note how many posts have already suggested Gentoo as "great for newbies". Now I tried Gentoo a few months ago (before the LiveCDs), got it running with a little work, and it was okay. But I went back to Mandrake pretty quickly. Some advanced desktop features were missing, such as an equivalent to Mandrake's combination supermount/hotplug support. I had to specifically emerge almost all of the programs I wanted to use because the base install was so stripped down. And I sure hope the install is now easier than the old "partition by hand using fdisk" install that I had to do (it wasn't so hard for me, but for a newbie...)

    Who would recommend a distro like that to a newbie? I think it's mostly people who want to say "my distro is bigger/badder/geekier than yours". If you're willing to put some work into setting up Gentoo it would probably be a fine desktop, and I'm sure that a stripped down, highly optimized Linux would be a great server OS, but that's not what newbies need.
  • speaking of karma whoring, thats not the first time ive seen that exact post somewhere else. am i missing out on an inside joke or are you trolling?
  • by ImpTech ( 549794 ) on Wednesday April 28, 2004 @11:28AM (#8996660)
    The only thing I miss about Debian now that I'm on Gentoo is the easy ability to clean out the install. With Debian I could always go into dselect and walk through all the crap I had installed and remove it selectively, with full dependancy checking. It was tedious, but I was glad to be able to do it every now and then. As far as I can tell, Gentoo has no comparable functionality.
  • by FreeUser ( 11483 ) on Wednesday April 28, 2004 @11:28AM (#8996662)
    The original poster has valid point. If you are installing Gentoo on the underwear covered machine at foot of your bed than the current install procedure is fine. You have the time to spare. For production, one does not have the time to duplicate the tedious steps of the Gentoo install procedure for every machine.

    Perhaps not, but if one is a competent admin, one can quickly put together a python (or [insert your favorite scripting language here]) script to automate these tedius steps in response to a few quick questions posed at the start of the script.

    That is what I did when we deployed Gentoo enterprise-wide for my employer. (Maintaining your own sync server, frozen to your enterprise's tested and vetted state, is also a wise thing to do. Still vastly more managable, flexible, and easy to keep up to date than any other distro I've come across, and over the years since my first pre-distro use of Linux back in '93 that is more than I care to count).
  • by B1 ( 86803 ) on Wednesday April 28, 2004 @11:42AM (#8996837)
    "You Red Hat guys must get sick of dependency hell..."
    "I'm too stupid to understand that circular dependencies can be resolved by specifying BOTH .rpms together on the command line, and that problems hardly ever occur if one uses proper Red Hat packages instead of mixing SuSE, Mandrake and Joe's Linux packages together (which the system wasn't designed for)."


    Obviously, it's bad RPM Juju to mix and match RPMs from different distributions. As long as you stick with RPMs built for your specific release of RedHat, everything fits together fine. But sometimes you don't have that option.

    The difference is that sooner or later, RedHat releases become obsolete, and much harder to find good RPMs for. I imagine it's pretty hard to find the latest KDE RPMs for an old Redhat 4.2 box :) I might find them on rpmfind.net, but then I also will have to manually track down a zillion dependencies, and make sure that the RPMs are all built for RH 4.2.

    And it's not just old versions of RedHat. Newer versions can have the same problems. We recently installed RH ES on a 24/7 database cluster, but needed to use Postgres 7.3.x. The Redhat-supplied Postgresql was an older release, where the periodic VACUUM process would basically lock an entire table for up to an hour--in our application, that's unacceptable. We strayed from RedHat's official packages because we basically had to. We went with the PGDG RPMs compiled for our version of Enterprise Server, and they work great, but I'm dreading the day that we need the official RedHat Postgresql RPM to satisfy a dependency. RPM --nodeps --force usually works, but it's also bad RPM Juju.

    With Gentoo (and Debian), you also have the best results if you stay with the packaging system. However, this much easier to do so, especially over time, because your base install never becomes obsolete. You never need to search for a package that's built for your specific release of Gentoo / Debian--if it's in the packaging system, you'll be able to install it on your machine, regardless of how long ago you did the base install.

    My machine at home was originally running Gentoo 1.2, and it's been painless to keep it up to date as new packages become available.

    If RedHat and the other RPM distributions were to standardize on their RPM package naming and layout, and provide an easy and reliable upgrade path between releases, that would go a long way towards getting rid of the RPM Dependency Hell problem.
  • by hattig ( 47930 ) on Wednesday April 28, 2004 @12:00PM (#8997036) Journal
    Gentoo is the distro that has made me most happy with Linux.

    Well that, or deciding to install OpenBox as the Window Manager, and then having pure simplicity itself on my desktop as opposed to KDE or Gnome.

    It has brought new life to my old HP Omnibook laptop, now 6 years old at least. Of course it was hell installing it, even with a Stage 3 install. The laptop was previously running Mandrake with Blackbox, and would run out of memory all the time (160MB installed) even without running much. Gentoo, by being custom all the way, means that I have memory spare, enough to run Apache and Postgresql and have a little portable web development machine.

    The only thing that is scaring me is that I have just emerge -DUu world, and something has downloaded the kernel 2.4.21 headers when I have kernel 2.6.5 on my machine. I did emerge -pv world first as well, and this was not indicated, grrr.
  • by Cobron ( 712518 ) on Wednesday April 28, 2004 @12:21PM (#8997270)
    Hehe :)

    Our optimizationism (tm) also has some constructive consequences: http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=108718 (gets more interesting towards the end) is a nice example.
    Since we all want to have the latest and "greatest" these fine developers (I am sure other distros have em too...) are squishing every bug they see on their way to get a full GCC 3.4 - compiled system.
    I'm sure some of these fixes will find their way to all distros.
  • by chamilto0516 ( 675640 ) * <conrad.hamilton@nOSpam.gmail.com> on Wednesday April 28, 2004 @12:52PM (#8997638) Homepage Journal
    Like most, I started with the Slackware floppies (N1, N2, N3...) and then found the RedHat CD around version 4 or something like that. I am now in the process of switching from Win to Linux on my Thinkpad as my primary desktop O/S. Redhat dropping (I don't call phone support but will miss my auto-update account) it's non-AS line prompted me to try another dist for the first time. I picked Gentoo. My findings are thus:
    • Learn (relearn) from Gentoo: Start with the lowest stage you can tolerate. You will learn a lot. The install process took me a week because I am not careful and choose to start over several times and make new decisions. Plan for a few days to a week before you are ready to pack it up and take it out and about.
    • Learn to read before you type: Very important that you undestand the install process and USE variables and such or you will end up with a system with very little of what you expect on it. But that is ok because emerge is there
    • Learn patience: Gentoo takes time to get where RedHat/Suse/Fedora might start you. Expect during the first few weeks that you will often type a command and it not work because you don't have it. An 'emerge' and some d/l and compile time later and you are back in business but you have to be patient.
    • Learn to interpolate: I used to start all trouble shooting adventures with a google query that started with "RedHat ~some problem~" I found with troubleshooting my Gentoo problems that stuff that was written to solve other dist (really HW) issues are pretty easy to apply to Gentoo. make sense as it is all really Linux
    • Learn to appreciate: I'll admit that RedHat's init system we something I never learned for various reasons (complicated, I never manually modified it with much success so I stopped trying). Gentoo's makes more sense and is a bit more kid friendly. Emerge/Portage is really pretty neat.
    • Learn to borrow: No need to rebuild an XF86Config file from scratch with the standard tools. The RedHat generated one the other hard drive was perfect. Just copy it over.

    The bottom line is that it is still Linux. You are closer to the core/spritit of Unix (distributed with source code). Does compiling it for YOUR machine make a big performance difference? Maybe it was a little snappier...hard to tell. Does the "if you do not need it, it will not install" make a big difference? Nope, it is just disk space in many cases that you are wasting? You are no longer dependent on .rpm files to get new stuff but you are now dependent on the portage tree. Is there anything that I couldn't get working on Gentoo? Nah, not really. Am I going to go forward with my migration with Gentoo? Not sure, I have a HW problem to resolve on my T30 and after that, I may go to Fedora Core 1 because there are more resources out there and the company I work for software is being ported to support RedHat AS line so I will have better luck getting my Demo's working on a RH O/S. Picking a dist these days is really just a bunch of littler minor subjective decisions and feelings. I'll probably keep Gentoo around on a harddrive and punch it in every now and then. It has been fun and good for me.

  • by pantherace ( 165052 ) on Wednesday April 28, 2004 @01:07PM (#8997826)
    Speaking as a Gentoo user, I can be emerging a package and play quake3, admittedly I usually don't because it can get slow and laggy.

    Certain things don't allow you to do that (ut2004-demo being the worst) because they are writing to the disk a whole lot, or something else. However, the things like that are rather few and far between.

HELP!!!! I'm being held prisoner in /usr/games/lib!

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