Fedora Core 2 Test 3 Released 287
Wee writes "I just got an email from Bill Nottingham of Red Hat letting me know that the third and final test release of Fedora Core 2 is now available. The announcement mentions the big changes are SELinux being disabled by default, that on-and-off problem with install CD1 not booting should be fixed, and anaconda now is sporting 31 languages. The mirrors look like they are opening slowly but surely, and bug reports are always appreciated."
Please use BitTorrent!!! (Score:5, Informative)
FC2-test3-src-i386.torrent [duke.edu] Official Fedora Core 2 TEST3 source iso images for i386. 2.0GB 2004-4-27
FC2-test3-binary-x86_64.torrent [duke.edu] Official Fedora Core 2 TEST3 binary iso images for x86_64. 2.1GB 2004-4-27
FC2-test3-src-x86_64.torrent [duke.edu] Official Fedora Core 2 TEST3 source iso images for x86_64. 1.9GB 2004-4-27
FC2-test3-x86_64-DVD.torrent [duke.edu] Official Fedora Core 2 TEST3 DVD iso image for x86_64. 4.0GB 2004-4-27
FC2-test3-i386-DVD.torrent [duke.edu] Official Fedora Core 2 TEST3 DVD iso image for i386. 4.1GB 2004-4-27
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Re:What about X? (Score:3, Interesting)
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Re:What about X? (Score:2, Informative)
Re:What about X? (Score:2)
Same with NVidia. NVidia's drivers don't work with fedora's 2.6.5 kernel. You compile the drivers, and then when you try and startx, the system locks up (totally locks up, if you're sshed into the box you'll find it frozen).
Re:What about X? (Score:4, Informative)
Re:What about X? (Score:4, Informative)
Re:What about X? (Score:2)
Re:What about X? (Score:4, Interesting)
XFree86 4.3.0 FC1 was using came out 26.2.2003, and Radeon 9600 and 9800 series later that year (9800XT not until november, I believe) so it couldn't support them out-of-the-box because they didn't exist when the relevant X version was made.
Since this one will be using the much more recent X.org server based on XFree 4.4.0, yes, it should work fine now.
Re:What about X? (Score:3, Interesting)
I'm not sure which kernel FC2 will eventually run, but under 2.6.5-1.332 which is the latest from arjan, the ATI framebuffer now works and the nice Penguin Crony can be seen again.
Red Hat (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Red Hat (Score:5, Informative)
http://www.fedora.us/wiki/FedoraHOWTO
Re:Red Hat (Score:3, Insightful)
Are they really comparable?
As a user of yum on FC1, I'd really like to know. Why did I choose yum? Mainly because somebody I know used it and liked it, so I tried it, and liked it so much I set up my own yum repository mirror.
Does using apt-get really offer any benefit over yum? Doesn't apt-get simply mine the same RPM repositories surveyed when doing updates with yum?
Any intelligent response would be highly appreciated.
Re:Red Hat (Score:3, Informative)
As far as you're concerned, apt and yum do the same job. If you are happy with yum, then there's little point in switching.
my experience: I found it quite easy to persuade apt to restart downloads when my 56k modem (yuck!) disconnected -- so I can just apt-get upgrade and leave it alone -- yum wouldn't do that and I had to sit watching it (a bastard if you are upgrading 100Mb of OpenOffice).
Setting up your own yum repo was a lot easier though. Apt was very messy in that regard.
Re:Red Hat (Score:5, Informative)
Its all there for ya.
Re:Red Hat (Score:5, Informative)
apt is available for Fedora, though it isn't included in the install. You can download it from Fedora.us [fedora.us], which also has some instructions on configuring it. You might also want to consider using yum, which is included by default. yum's capabilities are very similar to apt's, including all the good stuff like automatically resolving and downloading dependencies, so it's definitely worth learning. I find that yum is good enough that the first thing I do when installing Fedora is to disable up2date.
Re:Red Hat (Score:2)
What makes yum less amazing than 'apt-get'? They appear to do the same thing.
Re:Red Hat (Score:3, Interesting)
As lame as it might sound to say, a graphical front-end like synaptic is what makes apt better, in my opinion. On a headless server it doesn't make a difference, but when I'm using my desktop, I don't want to fire up a shell and su to root (or setup sudo). I just want a nice pointy/clicky app to do package management. And no, system-config-packages doesn't cut it, it can't handle dependencies for anything not in the official Fedor
Re:Red Hat (Score:2)
Perfectly understandable. up2date on fedora uses yum as its backend... and it's all pointy/clicky. Even has an applet that turns red when there are new packages.
Re:Red Hat (Score:2)
yeah, but that only does updates. I can't launch it to install new applications or remove installed ones. At least, I don't know of a way to. Personally I configure up2date with the same set of sources as apt (up2date supports apt repositories), and use the applet to know when an update is available. I usually just use up2date-gnome to apply the up
Re:Red Hat (Score:2)
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Languages (Score:5, Funny)
for the redneck impared (Score:5, Funny)
* Fum: Billy Joe Nottin'ham
* To: fedo'a-announce-list redhat com
* Cc:
* Subjeck: Announcin' th' third tess release of Fedo'a Co'e 2
* Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 16:36:11 -0400
"Eff'n ah's curt wif yo', it's on account o' time is a facko'. ah reckon
fast, ah type fast, an' ah need yo' guys t'ack fast eff'n yo' want
t'git th' bess outta this. So, purdy please, wif sugar on
top, try th' tess release!"
Yessuh, it's time fo' th' third an' final tess release of Fedo'a Co'e 2.
Notable changes in this hyar release include:
- SELinux is now disabled by default. Eff'n yo'd like t'install wif
SELinux suppo't, pass 'selinux' t'th' installer. Bug repo'ts about
th' behavio' an' suppo't of SELinux is sartinly still welcome; we is
still wawkin' on it.
- Th' 'CD1 won't boot' issue appears t'be resolved, cuss it all t' tarnation. Enny repo'ts of
corntinued failure is sartinly appreesheeated, cuss it all t' tarnation.
- Please check th' included translashuns fo' co'reckness an' sanity.
Anaconda now installs in 31 languages.
-----
Thank you and have a pleasant tomorrow.
Exclusion of SELinux as a default? (Score:5, Interesting)
Jedidiah.
Re:Exclusion of SELinux as a default? (Score:5, Informative)
Inclusion is one thing, hard core implementation is another. SELinux is not click RPM and install.
SELinux is a set of policies that define how your system is acting basing on actual happenings. To put it simply, take it as system account ACL-s (maybe I put it wrong but that was the only way to describe it as simple thing).
One month most probably isn't enough time to implement more than trivial policies that actualy take your system trough correct workout. Expect FC3 to be the first one with correct settings. FC2 can be but probably settings will depend on you
Re:Exclusion of SELinux as a default? (Score:2)
Thanks. I was aware that writing and implementing a default policy that was going to work well is a non trivial task - I wasn't aware how far they had progressed with that. It soudns like enough people had prolems with the policy settings etc. in Test2 that it is being delayed. As long as it is going to be folded in properly once all the quirks have been sorted out I'm happy.
Jedidiah.
Test2 with SELinux was buggy as hell (Score:3, Informative)
Fedora team needs a lot of time to integrate SELinux well. Test 2 release was horrible horrible mess. When SELinux locked me out of my own box that is when I decided to format the partition and never touch Test 2 Fedora again.
I am downloading Test 3 and hoping that it is better.
Re:Exclusion of SELinux as a default? (Score:2)
Perhaps it had something to do with problems experienced by people like me that just went with the default install, and were greeted with pages upon pages of security violations just trying to start init.
Re:Exclusion of SELinux as a default? (Score:4, Informative)
Re:Exclusion of SELinux as a default? (Score:5, Informative)
Regards,
Steve
P.S. If any of you are trying out fedora and prefer the ReiserFS file system just pass reiserfs to the kernel at boot. For those who don't know, ReiserFS is a journaling file system that is very stable, very fast, and has the best recovery that I've seen yet. It is also funded by DARPA as well as a few other secret donators.
Differences from Core 1 (Score:4, Interesting)
Thanks!
Re:Differences from Core 1 (Score:5, Informative)
Here's the most obvious changes I've seen:
Kernel 2.6.5 instead of 2.4.22
Gnome 2.6 instead of 2.4
x.org instead of XFree86
Mozilla 1.6
SELinux (although it's been turned off)
and upgraded versions of gcc, python, glibc, and a most other software.
Also instead of redhat-config-* it's all system-config now.
SELinux is a big step forward. (Score:4, Informative)
is a giant forward for fine-grained security!
No doubt there will be quite a few initial problems with it.
Re:SELinux is a big step forward. (Score:2)
That's a big shift, especially if you're used to running everything as root. (A big no-no, but most Linux users are guilty of it anyway, because it's convenient at times.)
There are also no texts out there on how to use SE-Linux, making it a foreign object to people installing from cold.
Re:SELinux is a big step forward. (Score:2)
??? fedora.redhat.com has links to various books and howto-s. Just look under the question What is SELinux
Re:SELinux is a big step forward. (Score:2)
I was not aware most of us run Lindows^WLinspire
SELinux, et al (Score:5, Interesting)
However, this would result in a system very different from one that most Linux users would be used to. It would also be very different from any system described by any manual or textbook out there. MAC (Mandatory Access Controls) do strange things to the way systems work.
Now, those strange things happen to be Very Good Things, if you're wanting a secure system. They are also very disconcerting things, if you're wanting a very usable system.
Fedora's now on 4 CDs - yeesh! And the mirror I saw only showed source ISOs, no binary ISOs. That makes it hard to test such things as install routines.
Now, 4 CDs isn't too bad, when you consider that a comprehensive system would have nearer 100 CDs in it!
For those who don't believe me, here is a quick-n-dirty guide to some of the things you are missing:
The list is extensive. And, yes, all those would be valuable to someone. Even Pi.
So, I suppose that although 4 CDs seems a lot, it's actually a lot better than it could be.
Re:SELinux, et al (Score:2)
Re:SELinux, et al (Score:2)
A comprehensive what system? Redhat is really not designed to be anything other than a workstation or server. It's way too much system to be an efficient firewall or router, or to be a RTOS.
As for your first 200 billion decimal places of Pi, it would probably be faster to generate them than to load them from CD.
Saying that four CDs isn't a lot because it could be 100 CDs is like saying that br
Re:SELinux, et al (Score:2)
I've been using it for the past few days... (Score:2)
Re:I've been using it for the past few days... (Score:3, Informative)
Also, part of the point of the test release is to test the installer (and booting disc1 :-) ). Since some of the defaults (i.e. SELinux) have changed in the installer, you don't have a "r
BitTorrent (Score:5, Funny)
Re:BitTorrent (Score:3, Informative)
There will be no Fedora Core 2 Test 4. The next release will be Fedora Core 2. :-) You can see their release-schedule by clikcing here [redhat.com].
Re:BitTorrent (Score:3, Funny)
Anybody got "lock screen" working? (Score:2)
In Test 2 and in Fedora Core 1, I could never get the "Lock screen" feature to work.
Did anybody else experience that?
It is a minor annoyance and not a big deal.
Sparc 32 port (Score:5, Interesting)
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Oxymoron-ad (Score:5, Funny)
Re:NVidia Drivers (Score:5, Informative)
At least until NVidia finally resolves 4KSTACKS bug. Up to 2.6.5 kernels had this as feature. Now it's gone, as in bye bye.
NVidia please fix this bug, I have FC2 to install
Re:NVidia Drivers (Score:2, Informative)
I tried FC2 test 2 on my Toshiba laptop and after several hours of tweaking and recompiling I was starting to get the feeling I was installing Gentoo. FC2 test 2 was horribly broken on my laptop... this was immediately evident when on the very first boot of the system, Kudzu sent the computer into deep guru meditation with a blue text scre
Re:NVidia Drivers (Score:5, Informative)
Here you can read complete story about 4KSTACKS [redhat.com]
Maybe you got it to set up now but if you read posts you can see what I
talked about
Re:NVidia Drivers (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:NVidia Drivers (Score:3, Informative)
The maintainer, steel300 is great and tries to satisfy as many requests as possible.
More information [gentoo.org]
Link to the patch and ebuild [iastate.edu]
Re:NVidia Drivers (Score:2)
Read my post below or even better, read fedora news.
No surprises (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Great! (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Debian and Fedora... (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Debian and Fedora... (Score:2)
Re:Let's keep Gentoo out of this! ;-) (Score:3, Insightful)
I think that you're seeing a false dichotomy. On the Debian side, you have a distribution that's strongly dedicated to making systems that are easy to admin (e.g. apt for package management) and can be kept very up-to-date by running unstable or testing. On the RedHat side, you have a distribution that refuses to distribute an mp3 decoder or NTFS support because of worries about IP issues. AFAIK, Fedora includes only software that's available under OSS licenses, and is actually quite proud of this fact.
Re:Let's keep Gentoo out of this! ;-) (Score:5, Interesting)
RedHat is showing itself to be a less reliable distribution vendor, by canning one distribution (free RedHat) and unleashing the unstable Fedora betas which one day will become a product which you must pay for.
Granted, you can run RHEL without a license, though you will have a hard time supporting it.
Finally, there are many Linux distributions, not just two. Gentoo has become a major player - I'll mention it even if you won't. Let us not forget Novell and SuSe, either. And Slackware will never die!
Of course, for some people, like those who want Oracle support, there is only one distribution of Linux, and it is redhat. So I'm not sure either of us has managed to prove anything here, except that we have too much free time on our hands.
Re:Let's keep Gentoo out of this! ;-) (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Let's keep Gentoo out of this! ;-) (Score:3, Insightful)
Also, just how in the world do you figure Fedora Core users are testing a product they will have to pay for? Fedora Core will always be open and free, and just why would a Fedora Core user pay for RHEL? Most/all RHEL users are not running Fedora on thier servers if they paid for RHEL. Please explain your logic where you think a Fedora
Re:Let's keep Gentoo out of this! ;-) (Score:2)
More like doing beta testing for a product which somebody else will have to pay for.
Re:Let's keep Gentoo out of this! ;-) (Score:2)
Only in the sense that Debian is the beta testing ground for Xandros, Libranet etc.
Progeny will even sell you support for Fedora, so what are you complaining about? Don't like it, don't use it, fine, but there are people like me who use and help test Fedora that do not appreciate your FUD.
Re:Let's keep Gentoo out of this! ;-) (Score:2)
How? FC1 had a snag with my soundcard but thats cause my motherboard came out the same month as FC1 so I had to use alsa drivers.
by canning one distribution (free RedHat) and unleashing the unstable Fedora betas
This is a troll, everyone knows by now what happened, FC1 had twice as much testing as any previous red hat release except enterprise.(check release times) "unstable betas" Think about that for a second would you?
Fedora bet
Re:Let's keep Gentoo out of this! ;-) (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Let's keep Gentoo out of this! ;-) (Score:4, Insightful)
Nice FUD (Score:2)
Yawn. Geez can't you come up with anything better than that? Who fucking cares what happens to the code that's in Fedora? So what if Red Hat picks the best of Fedora and includes it in RHEL. How is that possibly wrong in any way? Your right, how DARE Red Hat use code from a product they've created in another one of their products. I use Fedora, I haven't bought RHEL. Gee your right. They really got me there. O
Re:Let's keep Gentoo out of this! ;-) (Score:5, Insightful)
The difference isn't so clear-cut. Red Hat Enterprise Linux, Red Hat's revenue-generating product, unlike Fedora isn't so "up to date", and Red Hat also is very "religious" about the GPL, up to not including mp3 plugins for xmms. Fedora is like Debian Unstable, not a production system and bleeding-edge, RHEL is like Debian Stable, a seldom-updated except for security reasons distribution for stability.
There are not just two distros, there are over a hundred, and many of the most used ones flourish enough to thrive. Slackware, for example, has been around for longer than Debian and Red Hat, and (except for the period where they had the libc5 problem) has become just as up to date as its competition. It has it's own niche, it's very Unix-like, is not especially bloated (though 9.1 for the first time grew to two installation CDs because of GNOME and KDE growing so big.) and does not have dependency hell by avoiding dependency checking altogeather. (I am posting this in Slackware right now, but I've used other distros so I know their strengths and weaknesses.)
Re:Let's keep Gentoo out of this! ;-) (Score:3, Interesting)
Why is this considered a good thing? Yes, the dependency trap does make it more difficult to work with RPM -- get the source RPM, rpmbuild --rebuild it, install the resulting binary. Dependencies on specific library versions you don't have are generally solved. I understand that it doesn't help you run Gnome 2.6 on Redhat 7.3. You could recompile the whole system for that, but if that's what you need, you're better off running Ge
Re:Let's keep Gentoo out of this! ;-) (Score:2)
Frequently there *is* no source rpm, just the original source. Slackware makes using source of programs, when neccesary, simple without corrupting dependency checking, with RPM you'll often get false missing dependency warnings as a result so it's practical to never use source, or RPMs, outside of what your distribution provides
Re:Let's keep Gentoo out of this! ;-) (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Let's keep Gentoo out of this! ;-) (Score:2)
It comes out every 18 months - that's still faster than a lot of distros (it's supported for 5 years).
There are not just two distros, there are over a hundred, and many of the most used ones flourish enough to thrive.
Certainly, but I believe the parent poster was talking about two different, I guess, ideaologies. I'd still agree with you though - there's more similarit
Re:Let's keep Gentoo out of this! ;-) (Score:2)
Just to be fair, both Mandrake and Red Hat are _totally free (as in freedom)_ distributions. Debian, in a way, is worse, since they do include non-free stuff in their repositories.
-Erwos
Re:Fedora *sucks*... just from my experience (Score:5, Interesting)
Erm...don't run a beta on an important machine?
If you do...thanks for testing!
Re:Fedora *sucks*... just from my experience (Score:2)
P.S. I love how my original post is sitting pretty at -1... I guess Slashdot moderators can't handle the truth.
Re:Fedora *sucks*... just from my experience (Score:2)
Re:Fedora *sucks*... just from my experience (Score:2)
Re:INFO for OSNews (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Question: (Score:2, Informative)
Sounds like you need more data points. (Score:3, Interesting)
I'm not a fanatic, I like the balance of "you don't have to be an expert" and "you can tweak it easily" that Fedora provides. Good support / documentation / community makes it a good choice for me.
Like I said, sounds like your machine has problems , and that sucks, but it's hardly fair to damn a whole distr
Re:Sounds like you need more data points. (Score:2)
Works for Windows in a lot of cases, why not Fedora?
Re:Sounds like you need more data points. (Score:2)
Re:Sounds like you need more data points. (Score:2)
It's a troll (Score:3, Informative)
I suggest the mods around here visit Anti-Slash [anti-slash.org] daily. They maintain a daily list of troll posts, reposts of +5s from past articles, and other mayhem that they successfully get modded up here on Slashdot, all for their amusement.
Re:Question: (Score:3, Informative)
Sheesh. This is a template troll, guys. Check out http://www.osnews.com/comment.php?news_id=6081 [osnews.com].
Honestly, it's so you can't even moderate a troll down successfully anymore.
Re:Question: (Score:2)
Re:Question: (Score:3, Informative)
Some of the posts date back to 1998.
Check it out [google.com]
Re:Question: (Score:2)
That 17 meg file sure gets around. First you copied it on a Mac LC, then a Powerbook, now a linux box. You must be getting really frustrated having to copy that file around all the time, and it always seems to take forever for you too... sucks to be you.
They will install SuSE 9 if you ask. (Score:2, Informative)
??? What issue do you have? (Score:2)
Re:Is there a samba fix ? (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Yay! (Score:2)
Re:up2date is a mess (Score:3, Informative)