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LinSpire LPhoto and LSongs: bring on the lawsuits! 481

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Sir Joltalot writes "Over at OSNews they're covering the newly-renamed LinSpire's LSongs and LPhoto apps. Take a look at those screenshots, and you'll notice a striking resemblence to Apple's iTunes and iPhoto. Take a look at this flash presentation and you'll see that LPhoto and iPhoto are almost exactly alike. They look like nifty apps, to be sure, but how long will they last? I would have thought LinSpire might have learned from the whole Lindows name fiasco..."
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LinSpire LPhoto and LSongs: bring on the lawsuits!

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  • Oh my.... (Score:5, Funny)

    by ericdano (113424) on Tuesday April 20, 2004 @09:03AM (#8915373) Homepage
    Look at how ugly that interface is. Apple should sue just over that!
    • Re:Oh my.... (Score:3, Interesting)

      by Amiga Lover (708890)
      By the looks of things, Lsongs is different to iTunes, and Lphoto is... quite similar. However looking at Picasa, it's a Windows 'version' of iPhoto.

      I put 'version' in quotes there because they both have some very similar roots. There's cross seeding with a couple of the original coders, and neither app was completely coded/released before the other. They both seem to be coexisting quite well with no hint of legal action from either side.

      If Linspire had given LPhoto a brushed metal interface and copied th
  • by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday April 20, 2004 @09:04AM (#8915391)
    Say it isn't so!
    • Yeah its sad.
      There's no GUI originality these days.. ..because people are so smart..ahem no.

      Bu I doubt Apple care, it just assimilates more followers to adopt the MAc GUI paradigm...

      There are (horrible) Gnome skins that look just like XP. I doubt M$ really care.

      • by antic (29198) on Tuesday April 20, 2004 @10:04AM (#8916099)
        The screenshots are terrible. Is linspire a professional product? With which companies/OS is it trying to compete?

        I thought that Linux UI had got beyond this stage?

        And the problem is barely with the fact that they've virtually screenshot-copied from iTunes, but with the fact that the rest of the simple presentation elements (lists, titles, etc) are really poorly displayed. There's no alignment for example (something that would give it a lot of clarity), or spacing (visual simplicity, eases the user). It's the UI equivalent of a ransom note -- bits and pieces cut from elsewhere.

        I understand that this is a commercially sold operating system. If they want to improve the UI of these products, I believe that I could do a better job!
    • Parent has a valid point. Why should Linux apps slavishly imitate other UIs?

      (And whoever modded parent 'offtopic'--I'll see you in meta-modding.)

      • Parent has a valid point. Why should Linux apps slavishly imitate other UIs?

        As someone who slavishly imitated another UI (a management app that ships with a piece of hardware, and was Windows only), I feel qualified to answer that.

        While I was planning to eventually write end user documentation for the program, I didn't plan on heaving it ready early on in the release cycle. Basing my program's UI on the screenshots in the Windows product's documentation assured me that the UI will be documented somewhere
      • by mgs1000 (583340) on Tuesday April 20, 2004 @09:37AM (#8915752) Journal
        Apple puts millions of dollars into UI research and design, why not copy their work?

        It reminds me of something one of my college professors once told me. McDonald spends a lot of money and effort studying the best locations to put a new franchises in a city. Burger King then just looks for places where they are building a new McDonalds. (I don't know if the story is true or not, but he had an interesting point)

    • by eddy (18759) on Tuesday April 20, 2004 @09:44AM (#8915868) Homepage Journal

      Yes, cry me a river.

      When apps _don't_ copy the look'and'feel we get all this whining about how the interface is "weird". See also: GIMP, Blender

      So basically linux application GUIs are only allowed to exist in the interval marked "very very familiar -- not too different -- but different enough for my taste."

      Anything else, queue the whining.

      • by MoneyT (548795) on Tuesday April 20, 2004 @10:47AM (#8916602) Journal
        Actualy, usualy the complaints about unuseable OSS interfaces comes from when they break standards, not when they don't copy item for item another piece of software.
      • Oh, please (Score:3, Interesting)

        by bonch (38532)
        You bring up GIMP and Blender, two apps known for their bad interfaces. That's why they're known as being "weird." Not because they're different, but because they're just plain bad.

        Linux can easily come up with its own GUI design. We've got thousands of world volunteers at our disposal. As someone important recently quipped, "We have the power of millions of volunteers and what do we do? We make a UNIX clone. Then we make a Windows clone on top of it."
  • No bad publicity? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by rpbailey1642 (766298) <robert DOT b DOT pratt AT gmail DOT com> on Tuesday April 20, 2004 @09:04AM (#8915394)
    Call me a cynic, but before this entire thing, I never gave Lindows/Linspire a second glance. Now, they've been in the top of the news here at Slashdot several times. Nothing like staying in the eyes of your target audience, I guess?
  • Found in the newsletter published by Linspire:
    It also brings cross media format support to Linux by playing MP3, Ogg, Windows Media, QuickTime and Real media, ensuring that Linux users can play the most popular formats they might encounter on the Internet.

    Let us wait and see.
  • I am suprised, they didn't even try to be sneaky about it. I mean they could have at lest come up with sneaky names.

    All though, they say any press is good press.
  • LSongs? (Score:4, Funny)

    by gowen (141411) <gwowen@gmail.com> on Tuesday April 20, 2004 @09:05AM (#8915404) Homepage Journal
    LSongs has precisely 2 letters in common iTunes. Have Apple now trademarked 'n' and 's', or is this supposed to infringe their existing patent on 'bAd pUnctuation' and 'rAndom cApitalisation'?
    • "LSongs has precisely 2 letters in common iTunes. Have Apple now trademarked 'n' and 's', or is this supposed to infringe their existing patent on 'bAd pUnctuation' and 'rAndom cApitalisation'?"

      I don't believe the name is the real issue they would have. It's using the same funcationality, look and feel. Although, this may not be an issue. Look at M$ office... there is openoffice, staroffice, wordperfect and more that all have a very similar look, feel and functionality.

      If apple does go after this thou
    • Re:LSongs? (Score:5, Funny)

      by mithras the prophet (579978) on Tuesday April 20, 2004 @09:12AM (#8915484) Homepage Journal
      I'm pretty sure Apple acquired the "random capitalization" patent when it bought NeXT Computers and their NeXTStep technology...
      • by Albanach (527650)
        Apple CEO Steve Jobs today announced that the company has launched a lawsuit claiming German firm SuSE LINUX AG are in breach of the company's patent on random capitalisation in product names. "Random capitalisation is an exciting and innovative use of letters pioneered by NeXT and the rights to this technology are now owned by Apple Inc" said Jobs as he promised to vigorously pursue this action.
        • Re:This just in. (Score:3, Insightful)

          by Jeremy Erwin (2054)
          It's just the typeface. On most company documents, the company referred to itself as Next. Next did, however, promulgate the practice of eliminatingTheSpacesBetweenWords as it it improved the readability of Objective C code.

          Imagine the following without intercapitalization

          - (id)initWithBitmapDataPlanes:(unsigned char **)planes pixelsWide:(int)width pixelsHigh:(int)height bitsPerSample:(int)bps samplesPerPixel:(int)spp hasAlpha:(BOOL)alpha isPlanar:(BOOL)isPlanar colorSpaceName:(NSString *)colorSpaceName b

    • LLawsuits... (Score:3, Interesting)

      by antic (29198)
      If Linspire get sued, will anyone feel sorry for them? The parade of ridiculous names continues. What's next? Lmail and a LLawsuit from Google?

      That said, is there a point with UI design where the (near-enough) best has been met, and all that can be done is to replicate that with minor changes? Should the fact that one group of designers found that best first stop others from also discovering and using it?

      I've looked at the screenshot of Lphoto and they are dreaming if they think that Apple will look at th
  • LayFair? (Score:5, Funny)

    by AtariAmarok (451306) on Tuesday April 20, 2004 @09:06AM (#8915409)
    Is the Lmusic module protected by FairLay DRM? How long before the LayFair lawsuits and LPods?
  • by Killjoy_NL (719667) <slashdot@NOspaM.remco.palli.nl> on Tuesday April 20, 2004 @09:07AM (#8915415)
    So now after angering MS, they are waking up the undead lawyers from Apple?

    I wish them the best of luck, they'll need it.
  • by beefstu01 (520880) on Tuesday April 20, 2004 @09:07AM (#8915420)
    But LTunes looks almost nothing like iTunes. Can somebody show me the similarity, other than the large song display? LPhoto does look very much like iPhoto... I just wonder if it has the same functionality.
    • Can somebody show me the similarity, other than the large song display?

      That little eye in the corner (is that what it is?) kinda looks like the button in the top right hand corner of iTunes. Kinda. If you squint.

      Actually that eye is kinda creepy. And the general app doesn't look anywhere near as slick as iTunes. And what's with the letter "L"? Now it sounds Spanish: "I have me el tunes and el photo..."
    • by NiKnight3 (532580) on Tuesday April 20, 2004 @09:24AM (#8915623) Homepage
      • File/Edit/Controls/Visualizer/Advanced menu system
      • "Source" title on playlist/library listing on left
      • Expandable browsing area
      • Column view of browsing
      • Checkboxes on playlist
      • Play icon in playlist in same position
      • "Selected song" caption for album art and same positioning
      • Add/shuffle/repeat/album art toggle buttons in same location
      • Equalizer/visualizer/eject buttons in same location
      • Play controls / now playing / search / browse in same position, only at bottom of screen
      • Exact same play position marker
      Nope, no similiarities here. Of course, I wonder if...
      • Inconsistent interface
      • Unintuitive placement of play / search controls
      ...makes up for it.
    • Actually, it looks almost exactly like that if you switch it into Browse mode and turn on album artwork. The only difference is moving the playback buttons to the bottom, which are otherwise identically arranged. If it wasn't for the app being skinned differently (and that damn ugly), it would be almost completely identical. The iPhoto rip-off is even more similar, only lacking a few extra buttons along the bottom.
    • by Simon Carr (1788) <slashdot.org@simoncarr.com> on Tuesday April 20, 2004 @09:44AM (#8915866) Homepage
      Another question I'd have about it is those buttons in LPhoto. Call me a pessimist, but after using Linux (and various other *nixes) on the desktop for years, I have no confidence that the Print button is actually going to relay the selected photo to my printer in a way that it'll be a reasonable facsimile of what I see on the screen.

      Y'know, if they had just taken the concept instead, and actually I think they're going in the right direction here, it would have gone over well with me (and I'm sure many others).

      What I think they're trying to do here is copy what Apple is doing right down to the interface, but I mean why? Apple has identified some key apps that Joe Average wants to use, fair enough. Take that idea and run with it, but they should have completely diverged from Apple's own applications and come up with something new, or extend any of the pretty spiffy applications that already exists under X windows.

      What works in Aqua doesn't work everywhere, and I think it's because of the widgets. That layout, given the toolset that most X Window system developers have, that layout just doesn't work.
  • Look & Feel (Score:5, Interesting)

    by killmenow (184444) on Tuesday April 20, 2004 @09:07AM (#8915428)
    I thought the whole debate over "Look & Feel" was resolved. I thought you couldn't patent, trademark, or copyright "Look & Feel". It certainly can't be a trade secret. What's there left to sue over? Am I wrong?
    • I wonder if there's ever been a debate over GNU copying the "look and feel" of UNIX command-based tools?

      How about the "look and feel" of ls or even bash?

      How ridiculous.
    • Re:Look & Feel (Score:5, Insightful)

      by saddino (183491) on Tuesday April 20, 2004 @09:37AM (#8915750)
      It was only resolved in reference to Apple v. Microsoft (and even there, Apple didn't lose on the merits of protecting look and feel, but on the wording in the licensing agreement it had with MS).

      If you can argue that your product has a distinctive look and feel, then you can register for trade dress [amerilawyer.com] protection.

      Also: you can apply for a patent for an interface (which someone else pointed out Apple has done for iPhoto).
  • I don't know, it seems to me like these are different enough to not get hit with lawsuits. At least the music one, i don't know about the photo one. I mean the layouts are similar, but that's to be expected
  • I doubt apple would care a whole lot, they would take it as a complment to their awesome design technique, but with another naming fiasco, I can't see this kind of abuse lasting long. I'm all for the linux revolution, but not if we have to trick users into using it with identical GUIs and naming systems.
  • Lindows CEO (Score:5, Funny)

    by Bazman (4849) on Tuesday April 20, 2004 @09:09AM (#8915445) Journal
    Should change his name to Gill Bates or Job Stevens...

  • by lennart78 (515598) on Tuesday April 20, 2004 @09:09AM (#8915449)
    MR has done this before, and now everyone knows the Lindows OS (now to be referred to as LinSpire).

    He's pulling the same stunt again.
    It's an ingenious move. Look at what he has accomplished. Every /.-reader now knows that he has these 2 apps out. And as soon as Steve Jobs realises it, and sues MR/LinSpire, all the WORLD will know, because the news will be covered at every Magazine/E-zine with an Internet section.

    By the time he changes the layout of those apps, a lot of people will have tried it out. Voila, instant market-share, no costs but a simple layout-redesign (which is probably resting on the shelfs as we speak).
    • by YouHaveSnail (202852) on Tuesday April 20, 2004 @09:40AM (#8915816)
      They say all publicity is good publicity, but after taking a look at these apps I know exactly two things:

      1. I have zero respect for the Linspire folks.

      2. The Linspire folks have zero imagination and zero respect for other people's work.
      • At the risk of being overly cynical:
        "Respect" has never paid the bills.
        "Respect" does not allow you to drive a convertible.
        "Respect" is not for dinner.

        Ethical business practice, my ass. I've since long found out that most of the salesdroids I encounter are lying thieves, burnt on making a quick buck with as little to do for it as possible.
      • by DrXym (126579) on Tuesday April 20, 2004 @11:13AM (#8916988)
        The same could be said of KDE (Windows ripoff), Evolution (Outlook ripoff), XMMS (WinAmp ripoff), KDevelop (DevStudio ripoff) and I daresay quite a few other OSS projects.
        • by nathanh (1214) on Tuesday April 20, 2004 @08:18PM (#8923881) Homepage
          The same could be said of KDE (Windows ripoff), Evolution (Outlook ripoff), XMMS (WinAmp ripoff), KDevelop (DevStudio ripoff) and I daresay quite a few other OSS projects.

          Windows was a ripoff of MacOS (and to a lesser extent, CDE, which Microsoft worked on as a joint project with Sun and IBM).

          Outlook was a ripoff of Eudora. Eudora was a ripoff of PINE. PINE was a ripoff of ELM. There's a long history of ripoffs there.

          WinAMP was a ripoff of MP3PLAYER, the original MP3 music player from Fraunhofer.

          DevStudio was a ripoff of Borland IDE.

          Everything is a ripoff of something else. Just because YOU saw it first on Windows does NOT MEAN it was actually first on Windows. It only means you know a lot less than you think you do.

          The karmic balance of the universe means somebody will now point out some obscure app or OS proving that I know a lot less than I think I do, and that is all good and proper.

  • Uh.... (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday April 20, 2004 @09:09AM (#8915451)
    what's so bad about that?

    "Hey guys, look, OpenOffice.org looks almost identical to Microsoft Word! Guess they're getting a big lawsuit!"

    Just because a product emulates a look and feel doesn't mean it's BAD does it? Since when was there a patent on a GUI?

    Sure, I can see the system MacOS being patented (Aqua) but, not the interface for a frickin' photo management system... There's only so many ways you can make a good product!

    They say imitation is the sincerest form of flattery...

  • by Tore S B (711705) on Tuesday April 20, 2004 @09:10AM (#8915459) Homepage
    Lindows Inc. announced the opening of a wholly owned subsidiary, named Lapple.
    Its flagship product, the iLMLaLc, will be released April 30th.
    The CEO of Lapple, Lsteve Ljobs, have been quoted as saying "We really don't understand all this fuss about ripping off names! Macintosh and Apple are both names that have seen extensive use before Apple Inc, and their claims are foundless."
  • by BenjyD (316700)
    Posting direct links to half a meg of images and a flash movie. Nice. As if Linspire don't have enough problems.
  • by pertinax18 (569045)
    Sure they look very similar, but not that similar. Firefox and IE look more similar than iTunes and LSong but I don't see people saying mozilla.org will be sued. If Linspire had named them iLPhoto and iLTunes then maybe there would be an issue with the name but I kind of doubt Apple would sue them just because they look somewhat similar. There are hundreds of free and open source software products that look very similar to commercial software but that is just the nature of the game. As long as they don'
  • by Bones3D_mac (324952) on Tuesday April 20, 2004 @09:13AM (#8915487)
    Wow. I've heard imitation is the most sincere form of flattery, but it's hard to find anything flattering in those screenshots.

    All ugliness aside, they will be lucky not to get sued by Apple. But I doubt anyone will be confusing these for their Macintosh counterparts.

    Granted, Linux could certainly use more entry level apps that are attractive enough to bring in the common home users, but these apps are definitely not going to cut it.
  • Bad Rap for Linux (Score:2, Insightful)

    by gregduffy (766013)
    It seems to me all of this hubbub created by Linspire is only creating a bad rap for Linux by inviting constant litigation and controversy.

    Yeah, it's still publicity, but when do they cross the line to just pissing everyone off?

    Or will everyone just keep agreeing with these guerilla tactics because they "hate Microsoft"? Idiots.
  • imitators... (Score:5, Interesting)

    by utexaspunk (527541) on Tuesday April 20, 2004 @09:13AM (#8915492)
    i'm kinda sick of hearing about Lindows/Linspire. why can't these guys come up with their own original ideas instead of stealing others'? there's way too much of this going on in the Linux community, and these guys make it look like that's all Linux is- a pale imitation of the other OSes...
    • Re:imitators... (Score:3, Insightful)

      by nathanh (1214)

      i'm kinda sick of hearing about Lindows/Linspire. why can't these guys come up with their own original ideas instead of stealing others'? there's way too much of this going on in the Linux community, and these guys make it look like that's all Linux is- a pale imitation of the other OSes...

      Windows XP is a pale imitation of VMS and MacOS.

      MacOS X is a pale imitation of BSD and NeXTStep.

      Face facts, all operating systems are small evolutionary improvements over existing OSs. Stop complaining about Lin

  • what about xPde ? (Score:3, Insightful)

    by swapsn (701280) on Tuesday April 20, 2004 @09:14AM (#8915508)
    Well, xPde [xpde.com] look and feel is similar to XP, but I have not heard of Microsoft going after them...
  • by AtariAmarok (451306) on Tuesday April 20, 2004 @09:15AM (#8915518)
    Linspire, I'd like you to meet Lawyer, Lawsuit, Layoffs, and finally Languish.
  • Looks Bad (Score:5, Insightful)

    by DaleP (560269) on Tuesday April 20, 2004 @09:19AM (#8915558)
    It's amazing how similar the apps are, and yet LTunes still manages to look pants in comparison to iTunes. All this despite having almost exactly the same set of controls on the screen. There's more to this design business than you think.
  • Wow (Score:3, Funny)

    by cubicledrone (681598) on Tuesday April 20, 2004 @09:19AM (#8915560)
    50 comments and nobody is bitchgriping about Macromedia Flash, the state-of-the-art Internet multimedia platform.

    There should have been at least one thread about "why can't we just go back to gopher and list elements again?" or "what's wrong with 8-bit GIFs?"

    Amazing.

  • geez (Score:3, Interesting)

    by blackmonday (607916) on Tuesday April 20, 2004 @09:19AM (#8915567) Homepage
    These might be Apple iApps ripoffs, but looking at those screenshots, I don't think Apple has anything to worry about. Not only do those screenshots look pretty lame, do they have Rendezvous sharing, a music store, book creation on demand, export to movie, etc?

    Show me your Garageband or iMovie clone and I'll start paying attention.

  • by Spencerian (465343) on Tuesday April 20, 2004 @09:20AM (#8915577) Homepage Journal
    Apple's legal team might sue, but almost certainly send a letter of cease-and-desist of look-and-feel of the product.

    Why would Apple care, especially since these apps work only on Linux boxes? (Assuming that this stuff compiles only for x86 and not PPC Linux distros...)

    Because Apple must always show aggressive protection of their products' trade and servicemarks as well as their look and feel. While the resemblance to iPhoto and iTunes is mostly there, it's not something that Apple would win, IMO.

    A suit or intimidating letter only creates history that courts can use (through Apple's attorneys) to keep Apple's products defined as a specific item or service, and reduce the chance of genericization.
  • Not to take sides, but this is just stupid. That, and it shows a lack of creativity on their side. I guess some people see constant litigation as cheap advertisement....
  • LTunes (Score:2, Insightful)

    by Jaysyn (203771)
    Could could say that LTunes looks like WinAmps Music Library as well.

    Jaysyn
  • by Hallow (2706) on Tuesday April 20, 2004 @09:23AM (#8915611) Homepage
    If you took a look at the screenshots, you'd see they don't really look much like iTunes [apple.com] and iPhoto [apple.com]. If you think they do, you might want to get your eyes checked. The functionality may be similar but the styling and quality of the ui between the apps is worlds apart. The L-apps look like crap, IMHO.
  • by pongo000 (97357) on Tuesday April 20, 2004 @09:31AM (#8915705)
    Just take a look at OpenOffice...look familiar to anyone? Down to the toolbars and icons, it is a clone of Word. By design, to make the transition between the two apps easier.

    So it's OK for "our" apps to copy the look and feel of a competitor we don't like, yet not OK for an "outsider" to copy the look and feel of a competitor palatable to many of us?

    Give me a break...
  • I can understand if Apple wants to defend their investments into UI research, since someone directly copying their GUI layouts is copying a lot of work on Apple's part. But I think the whole debate is copying nonfunctional decorative elements: like the "shiny plastic" motif which Apple seems to mesmerize its users with. I believe there was some ruling regarding just what can be considered copyrightable regarding an interface. Does anyone know what those boundaries are?

    I think that a direct interface clone would be pretty clear-cut, but if it just 'looks similar,' I think that's less definite.
  • by Numeric (22250) on Tuesday April 20, 2004 @09:35AM (#8915734) Homepage Journal
    Here's some interesting background [wikipedia.org] into Look and Feel lawsuits. I remember in college having long debates that Windows 95 was a ripoff of Apple's System 7. Apple has "Trash" and MSFT has "Recycle Bin". Apple list their icons on the right and MSFT list them on left...so on and so on.
  • by denne (708170) on Tuesday April 20, 2004 @09:35AM (#8915741)
    The best feature of iPhoto and iTunes is that they integrate completely with the rest of iLife from Apple. Without this integration there wouldnt be any thing special about neither of them.

    As long as the new Lindows apps doesnt integrate together, they wont last because other standalone applications exists that are better at what they do.
  • by reallocate (142797) on Tuesday April 20, 2004 @09:36AM (#8915743)
    Ever wonder why Linux vendors copy Windows/Mac designs, and not the other way around? I mean, you don't see Steve Jobs holding a press conference to announce iPine, do you?

    • Well, Pine's not Linux. It's not even "Free," some rules lawyers would tell you. Personally, I like academic software...prefer it to GNU, because academic software has a dedicated support staff and often better usability. Academic software brought us both the Mach kernel and BSD itself -- and there's the rocketsled OS X is built on.

      Incidentally, the fact that it wasn't "Free" caused several groups to clone the Pine and Pico interfaces. And that pissed me off as much as this Linspire initiative. When I
  • Litigious Society (Score:4, Insightful)

    by nurb432 (527695) on Tuesday April 20, 2004 @10:12AM (#8916177) Homepage Journal
    Its sad that with anything we do the first thought is either, 'we might get sued' or 'lets sue someone'.

  • by gosand (234100) on Tuesday April 20, 2004 @10:24AM (#8916324)
    Wow, is he confused. The successful business model in the US is to SUE your way into market, not BE SUED into the market.

    Then again, he could be breaking new ground.

  • by callipygian-showsyst (631222) on Tuesday April 20, 2004 @10:34AM (#8916467) Homepage
    Face it...there's nothing to iPhoto and iTunes. They really aren't very complicated applications. What apple got "right" was not putting in too many features and making it bloated (like Windows Media Player vs iTunes, for example.)

    Anyway, it's probably easy for a 3 person team and 1 year of calendar time to have decent clones of each one.

  • Designers unite (Score:3, Insightful)

    by zpok (604055) on Tuesday April 20, 2004 @10:41AM (#8916537) Homepage
    When iPhoto, iMovie and iTunes saw the light, there was something about those apps. They were different, not standard at all, it took some time to get used to them (about 5 minutes).

    And they kicked ass, you ended up wanting to use them, finding excuses and stupid projects (let's digitise all my JJ Cale albums, yeah!) to test and try every hook and nook of your mac all over again.

    That's what original and good design can do for you, dear linux crowd. I'm currently feeling my way around KDE and while very impressed (all this for FREE?) I'm constantly muttering "rip-off" under my breath.

    Amazingly enough a lot of linux users are very much badmouthing a lot of products that get copied almost to the last detail.

    While I'm a standards freak and know they can be more important than innovation for the sake of it, there's a time and place and above all USE for originality and style. And there are many ways to express them.

    LPhoto and LSong are Lame (as said in previous post) and not because they were copied (who cares), but because they were copied without LStyle and LOriginality and as such Lack LFlavour.

  • by Sfing_ter (99478) on Tuesday April 20, 2004 @10:51AM (#8916661) Homepage Journal
    The tenor of this "flame"-thread seems that providing similar apps to Linux users that the company with the original idea refuses to supply, is bad. Time to start bashing gnucash, or any of the db people. How about bashing Sun for creating Star/Open office or Mozilla for copying NCSA Mosaic.

    Geez guys, Lindows is not for programmers and IT staff, it is for people who want to get away from M$ and it's strangle-hold on the home desktop. Most people can't afford the base model Mac, but, they can afford a $200 Lindows/Linspire box.

    As for interface, aren't all opensource project works in progress, and getting updated all the time?
  • by ItMustBeEsoteric (732632) <ryangilbert@ g m ail.com> on Tuesday April 20, 2004 @11:19AM (#8917072)
    But does it seem to anyone else like Lindows is the total opposite of SCO? SCO tried to sue when they have no chance of winning, while Lindows seems to be actively trying to be sued by people they have chance of beating...

    My brain hurts.
  • by DaveJay (133437) on Tuesday April 20, 2004 @12:11PM (#8917812)
    I just felt the need to mention this, because even as they roll out new applications and names, the "Lin*" people seem to be dropping the ball in other (traditionally strong in the Linux world) areas.

    Several months ago, I purchased LindowsOS 2.0 and XandrOS 2.0 Deluxe, both of which use installers based on the old Corel Linux installer. I have several HP Omnibook 4150B (not 4150) laptops, and neither installer would work with my laptops.

    The bug itself is known -- the 4150B cannot boot Linux without passing 'NOAGP' to the kernel at boot time -- but neither distribution's installer would pass the parameter correctly.

    I contacted both companies with the problem, and the solution.

    The Xandros people suggested a few alternative workarounds (that didn't work), then did the sensible thing: they fixed the installer so that the 'NOAGP' parameter can be passed. I use XandrOS almost daily.

    The Lin* people suggested a few alternative workarounds (that didn't work), then sent me this note:

    "Dear Customer,
    I am sorry but with LindowsOS, you cannot change the boot parameters."

    End of line. I wrote back, suggesting they change their compatibility listing for the HP Omnibook 4150B to "KNOWN TO BE INCOMPATIBLE", but here it is several months later and they still list it as "Believed to be compatible".

    LindowsOS has yet to be installed on any of my computers, even the ones it is compatible with, for this reason.

    Just something I thought the Linux community would like to know about.

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