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Cobind Desktop Reviewed, With Interview 151

An anonymous reader writes "Cobind Desktop takes a remarkable turn from other Linux distributions by being one of the first to include Mozilla Firefox 0.8 and Mozilla Thunderbird in their first release. Though Cobind Desktop only uses XFce and not the more popular KDE, its entire design is based on a clutter-free workspace. Flexbeta.net took the time to write up a review and conduct an interview with David Watson, Co-Founder and President of Cobind Desktop. He mentions how the entire design concept of Cobind Desktop is based on a book called the Paradox of Choice, by Barry Schwartz, who is a professor at Swarthmore. David Watson believes that this concept can be applied to software design, and produce more usable products as a result." (We mentioned Schwartz's book earlier today.)
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Cobind Desktop Reviewed, With Interview

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  • by b00m3rang ( 682108 ) on Monday March 29, 2004 @08:38PM (#8709555)
    ...chances are they're not going to be using IE anyway.
  • Screenshots (Score:1, Insightful)

    by startxxx ( 733595 ) on Monday March 29, 2004 @08:48PM (#8709635) Homepage
    What's the deal with the screenshots show off, where they show you how nice is gnome, gaim, firefox and openoffice? Shouldn't they show off what they actually wrote?
  • by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 29, 2004 @08:48PM (#8709638)
    I've heard that, other than GCC, only Intel packs the required heat to forge the mighty kernel.
    GCC hasn't had pre-compiled headers, which might or might not have any effect on kernel compilation, and also targets more platforms than one could shake a small forest at.
    I wouldn't expect it to beat Visual C++ in a race, but that's like saying an M1 Abrams can't beat a Ford Escort in a drag race. If the idea of a cross-compiling suite of portable tools that you can crack open and freely do what you want with, and not have to pay the tax to the Malicious Satrap fails to grab you by the naughty bits, then, please, take the Ford.
  • by Drantin ( 569921 ) on Monday March 29, 2004 @08:53PM (#8709670)
    an ncurses interface *is* a GUI, it's got buttons, windows, etc. What he seems to mean is that it doesn't have gpm running during the install, nor does it use an X-window, directfb or similar program with the installer.

    a non-gui interface would be one in which you use a command line and have to type all the arguements and paths there...
  • by Ridgelift ( 228977 ) on Monday March 29, 2004 @09:03PM (#8709736)
    This 0.1 version of the Cobind Desktop is an alpha release. That means that it has only been tested on a limited number of different hardware platforms and peripherals.

    It seems there's a lot of "news" lately around software that's alpha and even pre-alpha. Maybe folks should remember that Linus never pushed Linux, it grew as small, incremental improvements were made.

    It's easy to make a lot of noise about software you're going to write. It's a lot harder to be quiet and write software that will someday make a lot of noise.
  • XFCE vs. KDE (Score:5, Insightful)

    by hak1du ( 761835 ) on Monday March 29, 2004 @09:08PM (#8709763) Journal
    Though Cobind Desktop only uses XFce and not the more popular KDE, it's entire design is based on a clutter free workspace.

    That should be:

    Because Cobind Desktop only uses XFce and not the more popular KDE, it's entire design is based on a clutter free workspace.


    Among the different desktops, KDE has to be the most cluttered ("featureful"), by design and by choice. Some people like that, I suppose, but XFCE is a reaction against that kind of approach to building desktop environments.
  • by The Monster ( 227884 ) on Monday March 29, 2004 @09:26PM (#8709885) Homepage
    aims of a basic but complete package
    The reviewer didn't get this at all. He complained about how inconvenient it would be to have to use yum to get OO.o or, a RH disk to install a package not on the Cobind CD. Let me repeat those last three words:
    the Cobind CD
    That's one CD, folks. Uno. Eins. Distros like Cobind, Knoppix, etc. have as a design constraint that they must be able to install (or run) a functioning system from a single CD, rather than RH's 3, or SuSE's you-might-as-well-just-go-with-the-DVD ensemble. The idea here is to show that you can get a fronking lot of software on just one CD, when it's written right.
  • Re:XFCE vs. KDE (Score:2, Insightful)

    by Brandybuck ( 704397 ) on Monday March 29, 2004 @09:59PM (#8710098) Homepage Journal
    I haven't used XFCE, but last time I looked at it, it was a CDE clone. To me that says "clutter". A busy control panel and icons that minimize to the desktop is visual clutter.

    Hopefully they haven't cloned too many of CDE's mistakes...
  • by Brandybuck ( 704397 ) on Monday March 29, 2004 @10:03PM (#8710121) Homepage Journal
    So this distro set's itself apart by including less packages, then allowing users to download any more that they want.

    Excellent idea! I've seen more than a few newbies frustrated by the myriad choices that SuSE (as just one example) threw at them. If you can't fit the full distro with packages on a single CD, you're doing something wrong.
  • by petabyte ( 238821 ) on Monday March 29, 2004 @10:12PM (#8710172)
    Did you see that PayPal donate button on thier site? Does anyone else have a problem with that? Hey, I made my own customized Knoppix CD, maybe I should put a donation button on my homepage.

    Well there's nothing stopping you. Why are you complaining about this? If you don't like Distro X, don't run Distro X. If you don't like (Gnome || KDE || XFCE || Window Manger X) don't run it. And if you don't think the guy deserves money for this distro then don't give it to him.

    If they REALLY wanted to help the community they would put thier skills to good use helping an existing distro. There are plenty of them already that focus on a 'lightweight' feel.

    Did it ever occur to you that perhaps he didn't want to contribute to another distro. He made his own to fit what he wanted. People in OSS generally do what they want to or what they're paid to do. If he wants to build his own distro that's his option.
  • Re:XFCE vs. KDE (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Erwos ( 553607 ) on Monday March 29, 2004 @10:35PM (#8710301)
    I totally agree. XFCE is pretty much the ONLY choice for a computer 200mhz 128mb RAM. GNOME and KDE absolutely crawl, and just TRY opening Mozilla with them. You'll be lucky if you don't overflow your swap space and crash X.

    -Erwos
  • by newdamage ( 753043 ) on Monday March 29, 2004 @11:12PM (#8710532) Homepage Journal
    Let's see, a simple distribution that takes the most popular software and gives you that as a single choice. So instead of having Mozilla, Galeon, Konqueror, and such that I don't use, I have Firefox waiting for me. Same goes for Thunderbird.

    Getting rid of the bloat of Gnome and KDE in favor of XFce4 ...this is bad how? XFc3 + gDesklets makes for a very nice desktop.

    So let's review here:
    1 CD? check.
    Basic software package? check.
    Use yum to add whatever else I need? check.

    Once Cobind gets a few more version updates under it's belt, I see it being very popular to those of us that prefer simplicity to the 4 CD monstrousity that is Fedora Core.

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