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Extensive Xandros 2.0 Deluxe Review 126

Ms Pacman writes "This article is the fifth and final installment of Barry Smith's series on Debian-based commercial distros in a Small Office/Home Office (SOHO) environment. In this in-depth article, the newly released Xandros Deluxe 2.0 is being reviewed and compared to all previous distros Barry Smith used and reviewed the past 2-3 months. Of special interest is the blurb about Xandros' customer support."
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Extensive Xandros 2.0 Deluxe Review

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  • I use Xandros 2.0 (Score:5, Interesting)

    by MaxQuordlepleen ( 236397 ) <el_duggio@hotmail.com> on Monday January 05, 2004 @11:29AM (#7881083) Homepage

    .. and I like it a lot. I've used it pretty much only on IBM laptops, and the Radeon 3D support is quite lacking. Other than that, it's a dream to work with and use, especially for an experienced Debian user. Xandros has been my primary work desktop since 1.0 and I'm sold.

    Besides, as far as I know it's my only option if I want a made-in-Canada distro.

  • by Sarojin ( 446404 ) on Monday January 05, 2004 @11:29AM (#7881084)
    I would have agreed with you up until the point I tried a recent release of Mandrake. I don't think installation and configuration could have been easier.
  • by Frymaster ( 171343 ) on Monday January 05, 2004 @11:35AM (#7881128) Homepage Journal
    but, this competition isn't particularily harmful

    i disagree.

    currently we are in a position where the big distros are fighting it out for a bigger chunk of the existing linux market pie at the expense of other distros. a better tactic might be to go after the 90 % (or whatever) of the market that is using windows[1] by presenting a united front (or at least the semblance thereof)

    let's grow the pie instead of fighting over the crumbs.

    notes: 1. except for, oddly enough, sun - who seem to be doing a great job of carving out chunks of redmond's turf for jds.

  • by Steve 'Rim' Jobs ( 728708 ) on Monday January 05, 2004 @11:52AM (#7881238) Journal
    5. GENERAL RESTRICTIONS:
    The user may permanently transfer all of the rights under this EULA, provided that the user retains no copies or registration numbers, that the user transfers all of the Software Product, and that the recipient agrees to the terms of this EULA. The user may not distribute copies of the Software Product to third parties. The user may not rent or lease the Software Product. The user must maintain all copyright notices on all copies of the Software Product. The user may not reverse-engineer, decipher, decompile, or disassemble the Software Product, except and only to the extent that such activity is expressly permitted by applicable law notwithstanding this limitation.


    Kinda defeats the whole purpose behind GNU/Linux, don't you think?
  • We have used Xandros/1.0 for 6 months or so on our systems, and it was already wonderful. Xandros/2.0 went onto a couple of new systems last week and is simply excellent.

    If you have to support MS Office, go for the professional version, which comes with Crossover Office, a decent way of running MSIE, MS Office, and some other applications. It's Wine plus some extensions, and well-integrated into Xandros.

    If you don't need this, just go for the basic package.

    The best thing about Xandros is that it combines the 95%+ device detection we're starting to expect in modern distros along with a clean and lean Debian-based chassis. You get simple graphical installation of the standard Xandros packages, plus access to everything in Debian unstable via the normal apt-get interface.

    The Xandros/2.0 file manager handles pretty much everything you can throw at it. It mounts everything it can, lets you burn CDs, map network drives, and so on.

    Just for fun I installed a Lindows 4.5, then took a deep breath, and wiped it with Xandros. Lindows is so *full* of stuff, while Xandros shows the meaning of "less is more".

    There is no shame in paying for good software, and Xandros/2.0 gets my vote as the best office distro of 2003. Install it, forget about it. You can't ask for more.
  • Re: Xandros etc (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 05, 2004 @12:07PM (#7881360)
    This is from a post I made on osnews, but it fits for Xandros as well.

    Personally I think if your new to Linux you should stay clear of distros like Suse, Lindows, Xandros etc. Try Fedora,Mandrake, or maybe Debian with that new progeny installer first. If your going to bother to ditch Microsoft and their Proprietary Windows might as well do it right. These distros are as good Xandros et al and are Truely Free and totally Open Source. That might not mean too much to you, but long term its REALLY important. Being Truely Free and Open is what got Linux and its ever improving Desktops where they are today. Having the core of say Gnome of KDE proprietary would have just held these products back and prevented them from becoming what they are now. If for example a key developer of Gnome came up with some ubber cool addon for Gnome that made it great and then was hit by a bus or decided to stop coding, Boom. There goes Gnome's neat feature because it can't be maintained or built into future versions of Gnome. You'd think this is just common sense to Slashdot visitors, but I'd bet my life that of the overwhelming number of IE users here some still don't get open source.

    To be frank, I'd propose that if your set on cutting a check to Xandros you might as well buy Windows XP. At least that way you'll get a decent stable proprietary desktop that will be around in a few years. Going with one of these semi-proprietary Linux distros is just trading one fault for another. Your just buying into closed technology which literally may or may not even have a future. When/If Xandros goes out of business who is going to be making updates to its proprietary packages? Like I said, long term it just makes NO sense being tied to these sorts of issues.

    All proprietary software is Not evil and when it comes down to it, you need to use what gets the job done. You won't hear me rallying against some neat game because its closed source. But please don't shortchange how important Truely Free and Open Source software is to the world and especially Linux. If your going to start using Free software at least "try" to go all the way and see how far you can get with open source. Using and promoting this type of software is what got Linux where it is today and its what is leading to better software for ALL of us now and in the Future.
  • by damiam ( 409504 ) on Monday January 05, 2004 @12:16PM (#7881424)
    Well, Xandros includes (among other things) Crossover Office, a commercial package. Presumably they don't have the rights to let people make and distribute copies of a commercial package they don't own.
  • Inevitability (Score:2, Interesting)

    by C.Batt ( 715986 ) on Monday January 05, 2004 @01:21PM (#7882063) Homepage Journal
    Right now, the insane variety of choices available is just a sign of the relative immaturity of the solutions. Unifying at this time would be detrimental to the overall efforts. I'm all for waiting for the right time. If that means losing the impatient opportunists along the way, then so be it.

    For instance, when Linux is really truly ready for the mainstream desktop, when the office software has standardized and the features solidified (for instance), it should be because of an obvious evolutionary progression. There's no need to rush things.

    Many statements, yours incluced, seem to make it sound like time is running out on OSS. This is not true. OSS will exist independently of active support and big monetary investment. It started from that state and will return to that state if necessary.

    Okay, so the OSS community is not timeless. It would be nice to see OSS become the mainstream in our lifetimes, but that's not a reason to rush into things.

    To mangle a famous quote:
    "Do you hear that, Mr. Gates? That is the sound of inevitability." -- Agent Tux
  • I disagree (Score:3, Interesting)

    by HangingChad ( 677530 ) on Monday January 05, 2004 @02:16PM (#7882587) Homepage
    You make some good points but I disagree with the conclusion. I see Xandros and others like it as stepping stones away from the Windows world and a transition zone where proprietary and open source software learn to co-exist. It's perfect for my wife. She can use Word for her office docs and Photoshop without booting back to Win98. I like it because the install was dead flat simple. One disc, 30 minutes and it was up on the network printing test pages off the network printer. Bam, done.

    The best part is when I upgrade her hardware I won't have to go back and beg MS if I can please use the OS I already paid for. Sure it needs work and Xandros needs an attitude check, but it's a good distro all the same.

    I agree with the article author that Xandros needs to fire their lawyer. The EULA gave me Redmond flashbacks. And the Xmas tech support fumble was a disaster. If they don't execute better they will go out of business. But in the meantime I have a great OS that's a breeze to install and does everything I need right now. If they don't make it or if they don't change their MS-esque behavior I'll look for another one. No problem.

  • Re:Conformality (Score:2, Interesting)

    by beforewisdom ( 729725 ) on Monday January 05, 2004 @03:03PM (#7883036)
    As nice as it is to have choice one things Windows brings it is a constant. Things normally work on most PC's. With each distro of Linux things aren't the same from one point to another which can be seen as a strength
    Frustration with inconsistencies is one ( just one ) of the things that helped sink Java Applets.

    People got fed up wondering if they had the right browser with the right jvm, the right browser version, the right jvm plugin, the right plugin version etc etc.

    Steve

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