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Novell Announces Agreement to Acquire SUSE 672

Mickey Hill writes "Novell today announced it has entered into an agreement to acquire SUSE LINUX, one of the world's leading enterprise Linux companies, expanding Novell's ability to provide enterprise-class services and support on the Linux platform. Novell expects the transaction to close by the end of its first fiscal quarter (January 2004). This latest move follows Novell's August purchase of Ximian."
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Novell Announces Agreement to Acquire SUSE

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  • FIRST POST. (Score:0, Insightful)

    by dremspider ( 562073 ) on Tuesday November 04, 2003 @09:47AM (#7385664)
    No really this is not a good thing. I hope that SuSE, I mean SUSE doesnt follow the same route as Red Hat and abandon their desktop line. I have been using it on my desktop since 7.3 and have enjoyed every release.
  • Holy shit! (Score:0, Insightful)

    by flea69 ( 667238 ) on Tuesday November 04, 2003 @09:47AM (#7385666)
    This is sheer brilliance on the part of Novell...it is absolutely good news for Linux in general.
  • Hmm (Score:5, Insightful)

    by epiphani ( 254981 ) <epiphani@@@dal...net> on Tuesday November 04, 2003 @09:51AM (#7385698)
    two possible results:

    1. Novell stuffs this up, and I'm left with no real "Free" solution for buisnesses (I dont care about support, I just want a brand name and is recognizable and usable).

    2. Novell doesnt stuff it up, and SUSE takes over Redhat's market share here in north america.

    Either way, linux growth is going to stop dead for a good chunk of time while these issues with Redhat and Suse settle down.

    After yesterdays' article regarding Redhat's changes, I started looking at SUSE more carefully. Now we've got such serious flux in the two most important linux distributions that it'll take six months to a year before I feel comfortable pitching either of these to buisnesses.
  • Crazy talk. (Score:2, Insightful)

    by 3Suns ( 250606 ) on Tuesday November 04, 2003 @10:07AM (#7385811) Homepage
    linux growth is going to stop dead for a good chunk of time

    Since when did we rely on SUSE and RHat for our linux development?? Last I checked, Linux and the associated environment were Open Source/Free Software. That's what's so special about it: companies can come and go and thrive and fail, but they can only help GNU/Linux, and never hurt it.

    This is why I was cheering for AOL to buy RHat last year or whenever that rumor was going around. Not because it would be good for RHat, but because AOL would probably contribute alot of development coders, and being GPL work it would benefit the entire community.
  • by jvschwarz ( 92288 ) on Tuesday November 04, 2003 @10:09AM (#7385823)
    Novell has been trying to get a desktop OS for years, remember Novell DOS? I think they finally have a winning combination withe SUSE and Ximian.

    I hope they succeed, NDS is a great back end platform, so they can offer a end-to-end solution for business on Linux. They just need to learn to market it!
  • Re:Holy shit! (Score:5, Insightful)

    by nehril ( 115874 ) on Tuesday November 04, 2003 @10:12AM (#7385847)
    novell has a long history of fucking up good ideas. only now, at the end, do they realize what has been kicking their ass: limited APP server offerings.

    Novell is perceived by most of my customers as a (fairly kick ass) file-print-directory services server only system. but file-print-directory services are only part of what companies need these days. they need groupware/email (groupwise is a joke), they need SQL servers, and they need "Micro Vertical App Server" for Their Tiny Industry that somebody in a garage is addressing. And they want it all on the same platform, with integrated authentication.

    small vertical apps is a big one, but it seems to be too much of a bitch to write these VBesque vertical apps on novell, so nobody does. "Small Dentist Office Accounting Pro" gets cooked up on windows by a small software company and not on novell. (incidentally this is a bit of a problem for linux on the desktop front: the crazy apps like "BeeKeeper Ranching and Honey Tracking" are what keep most businesses from switching on the desktop).

    looks like Novell is trying to do what they failed to do with the original Unix license they pissed away: create a Novell branded viable app server platform. they screwed up the first time with proprietary unix. maybe a more open system will succeed, but knowing Novell, probably not.
  • by salah67 ( 658336 ) on Tuesday November 04, 2003 @10:14AM (#7385860)
    They buy promising company and bug them down in politics. The leader of the bought company run away with their new cash so no new development worth noticing happens. What's left is a company that sells and resells repackaged old product at an ever increasing price. I hope SuSE will be strong enough to resist the Corp politics.
  • Re:Hmm (Score:5, Insightful)

    by bruthasj ( 175228 ) <bruthasj@yahoo.cDEBIANom minus distro> on Tuesday November 04, 2003 @10:18AM (#7385887) Homepage Journal
    Either way, linux growth is going to stop dead for a good chunk of time while these issues with Redhat and Suse settle down.

    Puhhleeze. Please stop the /. cronyism, fanaticism, and sensationalism. It's getting quite stale in here and it makes the web log stink.

    I'm running short on time, so I'm going to let the moderators mark me as Troll as I don't have 30 links to back up these statements. But, I'm pretty sure that:

    1. Linux, the kernel, will see continuing development without care towards Suse or Redhat.
    2. GNU is still going to develop their wonderful tools.
    3. The important projects on sf.net are still moving forward.
    4. There are other distros.
    5. There are many independent parties packaging for Redhat and Suse; nice updates can be obtained from them.
  • by sphealey ( 2855 ) * on Tuesday November 04, 2003 @10:18AM (#7385891)
    The second cool thing is that all of a sudden there is a viable alternative to the Red Hat evil empire. I would bet that Novell/Suse arent going to piss off all the developers like Red Hat has done.
    Historically however, Novell has done an excellent job of pissing off the independent developer community, and in so doing drove the developers into the arms of IBM and Microsoft. IBM in turn drove developers away from OS/2, which left Windows to take the field when Microsoft pampered those same ISVs.

    IBM learned from that set of mistakes. The question is: has Novell learned? Or is this the same bunch of guys who think it is still 1993 with Netware holding 85% market share?

    sPh

  • by watzinaneihm ( 627119 ) on Tuesday November 04, 2003 @10:21AM (#7385904) Journal
    If you look at the Novell product line, they are almost all server software which run on a network and a client from almost any OS can connect to them.They have almost no client part which makes them money.
    So, Novell I think has almost no interest in desktop, other than to use them as their "clients" to their servers. So I am sceptical how much novell will do for the desktop especially the GUI .If you have ever used netware you will know how bad their GUI is (ofcourse with Netware you are not supposed to be using the GUI, but using their web interface instead to manage it).
    And If my guess is right, they bought Ximian for their connector,so that they can use their mail server software to better integrate with exchange (maybe for migration, i dont know), in the process unintentionally acquiring one of the best desktops and a .NET implementation (again maybe some interoperatbility benefits here). They are acquiring Suse so that they get a stable base for their Netware 7 and so that they can use the mindshare to push their enterprise offerings , again in the process acquiring the biggest supporter of KDE (ximian is Gnome and Suse is KDE!).
    What they now have is some stuff they can make money on immediatly and some which maybe they can use later. The future of desktop linux depends on what novell does with the latter.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 04, 2003 @10:22AM (#7385908)
    NOVELL INC (NasdaqNM:NOVL)
    Pre-Market: 7.499 +1.449 (23.95%)
    NOVL Market Cap: 2.26B

    Let's do the math.
    Novell will pay $210 million for Suse, but Novell's market cap goes up by $500 million upon announcing the deal.

    So basically, the acquisition of Suse is FREE. Actually, Novell made an extra $300 million in stock value by announcing the deal - so it's better than free.

    Gotta love the free market system.
  • by webzombie ( 262030 ) on Tuesday November 04, 2003 @10:26AM (#7385933)
    This could be an excellent business strategy if properly executed.

    Novell clients are usually pretty slow to move into new products and spaces because of their current Novell comfort level.

    Bring that comfort level along with the stability of the Linux platform and NetWare's reliability and you've got a pretty solid and very competitive platform. PERIOD.

    Proven File and Print Services
    Proven Directory Services
    Solid Groupware/Email Services
    Solid out-of-the-box web server/services solution

    and now built on top of a rock solid Linux foundation... this is going to get very interesting... very fast!
  • by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 04, 2003 @10:28AM (#7385952)
    Yes, in this economy, Novell shelled out $210 million IN CASH for SuSE in order to kill the desktop with 0.2% market share compared to the desktop with the 0.1% market share, just so any current enterprise market share that SuSE has is lost. Your logic completely baffles me.

    What they are probably going to provide tight integration between Evo and KDE. A lot of enterprise environments have already adopted SuSE Enterprise, which means it would take a large amount of work to switch to GNOME. It might even mean the gradual phase out of XD2 Desktop, since it runs on Novell's new arch rival: RedHat (note that Ximian and RedHat weren't rivals, but SuSE and RedHat definatly are). If I was Novell, I would almost certainly kill any support of XD2 Desktop on RedHat NOW, and gradually phase it off for SuSE (improving it will help RedHat's push on the entrprise, something Novell must not let happen)

    At the same time, I don't see Ximian completely ditching GNOME. Porting Evolution to KDE would make it an entirely new app, and thus break current installations.

    So, basically, the GNOME developers employed by Ximian are safe as long as they can sell Evolution, and the KDE developers employed by SuSE are safe as long as they can sell SuSE Enterprise.
  • by oldstrat ( 87076 ) on Tuesday November 04, 2003 @10:32AM (#7386001) Journal

    I'm reminded of my reaction to Novell buying Unix System Labs in 92/93 and the sale to SCO in 1995 and the SCO rename to Caldera later. It all seemed to Rosey.
    Unix appeared to be in reliable hands and was being freed into Linux, Caldera even said as much.
    Then came per seat, and all the rest to the point where we are now with SCO attempting to steal Linux and claim far more in Unix than the law ever intended for.
    It keeps me from getting any warm fuzzies over Novell aquireing Suse.

    On the Redhat front. I find it odd being a registered adoptee of Redhat (can you really be the owner of OS software?) and a shareholder in the company that I have yet to recieve the email about the end of Redhat Linux.

    Redhat's site backed up the stories.
    BUT it's being misunderstood.
    Yes RH9 appears to be the last in it's line BUT RH Enterprise Linux WS is actually it's repacement.
    The License for RHEL WS is the same as for RH9. The only real change is that to get support from Redhat, you are going to HAVE TO PAY for the support.
    Your free to get support elsewhere free or otherwise.

    Reasonable and overdue, it's a sign of the maturity of commercial Linux.
    I'll probably step up to RH Enterprise, and now that Suse is under Novell I'll give it another cautious try, but there really isn't a reason to leave RH.
  • by vidarh ( 309115 ) <vidar@hokstad.com> on Tuesday November 04, 2003 @10:33AM (#7386019) Homepage Journal
    To stop a $210 million friendly take-over of a private company? Not bloody likely unless it had been in a heavily regulated area (think arms manufacturer, nuclear technology or similar). The regulators involved are likely to do more than yawn - this is peanuts from a government point of view.
  • by Black Perl ( 12686 ) on Tuesday November 04, 2003 @10:39AM (#7386071)
    Since when has being acquired by Novell been a good thing? Novell has a knack for picking seemingly good targets, but has a history of failing miserably in post-acquisition execution. One example of many is SilverStream. It was one of the pioneering java application servers, and had a lot of mindshare. It was celebrated acquisition, supporters claiming it was a great match and flush with resources, it would really dominate the market. Now I ask, how many people have heard of Novell exteNd?

    Novell acquisition press releases are epitaphs.
  • by BrokenHalo ( 565198 ) on Tuesday November 04, 2003 @10:40AM (#7386086)
    the Red Hat evil empire

    Err, not quite. While I am not a devotee of RedHat as a distro, I think it's a bit unfair to dub them "evil" when they have actually put a lot of manpower into products that have been released into the public domain free of charge.

    While it's not precisely altruism, they have contributed a lot to the Linux user community, and to deny that is churlish.

    Save the epithets for the real baddies in Redmond.

  • by lunenburg ( 37393 ) on Tuesday November 04, 2003 @10:42AM (#7386105) Homepage
    I wish, I wish, I wish I still had my mod points.

    It's funny to see the Slashdot community holding SuSE up as some sort of beacon of light compared to the evil Red Hat, when SuSE is just a guilty of sketchy decisions (closed-source YaST, closed ISO images) as Red Hat is.

    Guess what? All of you people who are railing against Red Hat for charging big money for their enterprise release, SuSE has $100 "user licences" for their desktop release and charges $800 for their "Enterprise Server". Sound familiar?

    But because the groupthink has decided Red Hat == bad, and ! Red Hat == good, it's a cause for celebration.
  • by Chris Croome ( 24340 ) on Tuesday November 04, 2003 @10:43AM (#7386117) Journal

    RedHat are not abandoning their base!

    The are opening up development to the community, this is leading to lots of excitings happening, as I said yesterday [slashdot.org].

    What RedHat are doing means that anyone can duplicate and sell Fedora CDs and stuff like that, Fedora is becoming more like debian in terms of community involvement -- and this is great!

    I dunno much about SuSE, but I do know that the nature of the mode of production of free software is such that it is best done in an open way -- doing it in a closed way is too expensive.

    Personally I'd rather be working for RedHat than SuSE right now...

  • by Qbertino ( 265505 ) <moiraNO@SPAMmodparlor.com> on Tuesday November 04, 2003 @10:58AM (#7386243)
    1.) Novell does a f*ck up with SuSE, goes down the drain and pulls SuSE along until they're bought out by somebody else. This is somewhat likely, as SuSE is doing very good as a Linux brand right now. It could hardly get better rather than worse. In germany (most Linux users per capita) SuSE is even synonym for Linux!
    All in all that would stall Linux brand recognition but probably be good news for Mandrake, the last one left.

    2.) Novell has actually seen the light and plans way ahead into the future, were software won't make a buck anymore, but free software will reign and the business is in services.

    3.) Novell/SuSE twitches here and there, barely surviving, taking shares from Mandrake, they all die eventually, Mickeysoft prevails and there is a 5 year setback for OSS, with only Gentoo and Debian to the rescue in the far future, when the OSS model has consumed everything.

    Bottom line:
    I don't like this news. Sound bad. Chances are to high that this once o-so big company Novell is gonna screw up. And SuSE is my first recomendation to n00bs right now. It would be a real shame for them to go down the drain.
  • Healthy Skeptisism (Score:4, Insightful)

    by jd ( 1658 ) <(imipak) (at) (yahoo.com)> on Tuesday November 04, 2003 @11:04AM (#7386292) Homepage Journal
    Novell hasn't done too well with getting their Netware products out the door, and they really botched the whole SCO/Unix thing.


    Also, SuSE is doing remarkably well in Europe, where the German government has been giving it a lot of support. Once it's seen as "tainted" by US corporate interests (trust me, Europeans are not happy with the US), it might impact how well SuSE is received by Governments in Europe.


    (Especially as SuSE is perceived as being a safe way to avoid backdoors imposed by foreign Governments.)


    On the flip-side, development work costs money, and Novell probably has more of that than SuSE. If Novell gets this right, and puts in some serious cash, Linux could get some badly-needed investment in the ease-of-use arena. IBM and SGI have done wonders for filesystems, high-end architectures, etc, but they're not known for producing software for Joe Average. Novell's networking products were popular in schools, at one point, precicely because they were easy for idiots to use.


    Since that fits in nicely with SuSE's reputation of easy-to-use, easy-to-install distros, that offers some excellent opportunities.


    That's where the skeptisism must come in, unfortunately. An opportunity is not the same thing as a reality. Unless Novell makes use of this, and brings Linux to the masses, this move will do nothing for anyone, SuSE included.


    If Novell do bring Linux to the masses... well, that's a different kettle of fish. Then this will be the greatest move imaginable, and everyone will benefit signigicantly.

  • by Genady ( 27988 ) <`gary.rogers' `at' `mac.com'> on Tuesday November 04, 2003 @11:05AM (#7386298)
    I've been watching this as a SysAdmin that is looking to move from Solaris for an Oracle installation. With RedHat's decision yesterday to drop the free portion of it's operation on Fedora, and today Novell snapping up SuSE I've got to say that Linux has come of age. It's now no better really than any of the other 'open systems' constellation of UNIX-a-likes. Sure there are more developers for Linux, sure kernel patches happen faster, which probably makes Linux the most desirable of the 'Open Systems' crowd, but for me in my application it's really just become another *nix.

    I now have to pay for licenses for my test and development servers (where before I could get away with RedHat 9) and I have to stick close to something that will certify with Oracle. It's not a terrible thing by any means, but I think that the golden age of Linux is over.
  • by daemonc ( 145175 ) on Tuesday November 04, 2003 @11:07AM (#7386314)
    "I would bet that Novell/Suse arent going to piss off all the developers like Red Hat has done."

    Um, yeah, how has Redhat pissed off all the developers again? By giving control of their distro back to the community with Fedora? By letting developers submit their packages for inclusion in Fedora, and giving them more control over maintaining said packages? By releasing under the GPL the source code to every single piece of software they've ever made, so that developers can add to and modify it as they like? Oh, maybe it was by hiring developers that have been working on projects such as GNOME and Mozilla, so they can get paid for doing what they love.

    Moron.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 04, 2003 @11:08AM (#7386326)
    Actually, Novell made an extra $300 million in stock value

    That's not real money. They don't even own the stock and tomorrow it will be back down some. Novell paid in cash, if it had been a stock trade, you might say they made money on the deal.

  • Re:Except that (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Deusy ( 455433 ) <charlie@ve[ ]org ['xi.' in gap]> on Tuesday November 04, 2003 @11:14AM (#7386362) Homepage
    Except that Novell can just tell SCO that they can't sue - I wonder why we don't hear more on this... Since it appears that SCO can't sue IBM anyway.

    Well, Novell stands to gain nothing by suing SCO now.

    However:
    1) Wait for SCO vs. IBM to work itself out
    2) If SCO wins, sue SCO
    3) PROFIT!

    If SCO loses, Novell then hasn't paid large fees to lawyers and has lost nothing.
  • Re:I wander... (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Erwos ( 553607 ) on Tuesday November 04, 2003 @11:14AM (#7386364)
    The biggest possibility is that they're going to move to Ximianized GNOME as the desktop. They'd be foolish to throw away a major asset (Ximian GNOME, which is far easier to use than even SuSE's KDE) just because some of their new developers were fans of KDE. I would expect YAST to see some major revisions, too.

    Lots of people will want to deny this because they know that it would be a huge blow to the KDE project. I really can't blame them. But Sun and RedHat are both using GNOME now, and Novell seems to be apt to move in that direction, too. Desktop consolidation arrives in the corporate market. We'll see if this changes anything...

    -Erwos
  • by JonKatzIsAnIdiot ( 303978 ) <a4261_2000NO@SPAMyahoo.com> on Tuesday November 04, 2003 @11:21AM (#7386451)
    Novell has a history of jumping on every bandwagon at it's peak, then abandoning it when something else comes along. Consider their past:

    1. Buying the AT&T source, then announcing plans to merge NetWare and UNIX into a hybrid called "SuperNOS"

    2. Buying Wordperfect, Quattro Pro and creating WordPerfect Office.

    3. Java-on-NetWare. Anyone remember "the world's fastest Java execution environment"?

    Every one of these failed, and was quietly abandoned. Now it's Linux. Hopefully they actually stick with this initiative long enough for it to bear some fruit.
  • by arthurs_sidekick ( 41708 ) on Tuesday November 04, 2003 @11:37AM (#7386607) Homepage
    Yes, and if you read sites like Slashdot, you'll notice that RedHat is also providing the backbone for the Fedora Project [redhat.com] which is essentially unsupported Red Hat. Hey, they will even provide ISOs and the bandwidth whereby they can be downloaded. Evil bastards.
  • One of the things everyone seems to have missed so far is that Europe's biggest and most successful Linux company is disappearing into the murky nexus of Noorda companies around Salt Lake City. Whatever the relationship between Noorda, SCO and Novell just now, they all swim in the same pool...

    This makes Mandrake the only even moderately high profile commercial Linux distribution left in European hands, and as is well known Mandrake's finances are seriously wobbly. And this matters for everyone just now, because the future of Linux in the US is being played out in just that same murky Salt Lake City slime-pool. Fall out from the SCO case will affect all US-owned Linux distributions.

  • by Krondor ( 306666 ) on Tuesday November 04, 2003 @11:55AM (#7386778) Homepage
    Agreed the world does SUCK enough that perhaps not even Microsoft or Apple should be very high on your list, but if you don't hold companies accountable for their bad decisions they progress.

    It's a downward spiral and hopefully Novell has learned from its past. I believe they have with their new open inititatives and pledge to give back to OSS. I think they realize they aren't the big gun in town anymore and better not make people mad. It's time for them to ride the OSS wave, release code back to the community, put some money were their mouth is (already have with the acquisition of Ximian and Suse), and finally give the fat companies that need it a run for their money.

    Things are set to heat up, and I for one can't wait. It's going to get interesting here real soon.
  • by lunenburg ( 37393 ) on Tuesday November 04, 2003 @11:55AM (#7386779) Homepage
    YaST is not closed source. Full source code is provided. However, it's not GPLd it's under some other license.

    I'll take your word for it. The last time I used SuSE (which has been several years, I'll admit), YaST was closed-source. In the interest of fairness, the Red Hat up2date server is still closed-source, which I'm not a big fan of.

    Also, you're confusing the releases. SuSE has no runtime licenses for their desktop release. You're thinking of a previous product that bundled Crossover and some disk partitioning software and they've since pulled that one.

    As I linked elsewhere in this thread, that product is still available in their online store for a per-seat license. Not that it's a bad thing or a good thing, my point was that both companies (Red Hat and SuSE) have a combination of free releases and commercial releases, but you don't have story after story posted about "SuSE only provides support for their expensive commercial distributions, so they're EEEEEEVIL"

    As for offering ISOs, you can easily mirror the RPMs from their ftp site, burn to a CD, and you're done.

    Certainly true, though when compared with Red Hat, where you can download a Fedora ISO, burn it to CD, and be ready to install in 10 minutes, it doesn't seem like this is a mark in the column of "Why SuSE is better than Red Hat".
  • Kiss of Death (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Deathlizard ( 115856 ) on Tuesday November 04, 2003 @11:57AM (#7386804) Homepage Journal
    I dont know about you, But I would be worried if I used SuSe as my Linux Distro.

    Why? Because Novell Aquired it. If there's anything that has been proven over the last couple of years is that Novell buying a company out is basicially the Kiss of Death.

    Look at Wordperfect (pratcially dead), Quattro Pro (dead) and Caldara (Now SCO. - Suing anything that Produces code for money)

    Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe their aquiring it in order to expand their networking capability beyond Netware futher, or do away with the netware OS altogether and replace it with a Linux based network server.
  • Strategic Vision? (Score:3, Insightful)

    by isotope23 ( 210590 ) on Tuesday November 04, 2003 @11:59AM (#7386829) Homepage Journal
    The big question is how well have they thought this through. With the recent aqcuisitions, they have the firepower, but now they need to use it
    wisely.

    To crack MS's lock on the desktops I can see them doing a couple of things :

    1. Offering SUSE ISO's for DL
    2. Offering SUSE to Dell, gateway etc with a minimal or no license fee.

    They now have the option of an end to end software solution, tied to a global directory
    that works and is easy to admin. They will need to push the desktop to gain acceptance, which is why I think we'll see SUSE ISOs. Now if only they'd start spamming those CD's like AOL does....

  • by JInterest ( 719959 ) on Tuesday November 04, 2003 @01:07PM (#7387408)
    I think his post is still valid. RedHat's installer is under the GPL, which means it can be freely distributed, and that's why you have an anaconda + debian project and so many companies selling CDs of Redhat Linux. The only limitation is that resellers can't use the Redhat trademark. On the other hand, the fact that YaST isn't GPL and isn't truly free means that there is no way for Cheapbytes and the like to sell CDs of SuSE as they do for Redhat and several other major distros. They don't provide ISOs so you can't burn them yourself, you can only do an FTP install which significantly limits distribution. If that isn't a problem for you, great. But SuSE is less free, and that's a fact. Redhat is NOT the GNU/Linux world's "evil empire". They are just the folks on top here in the U.S., which gives some people their poor excuse to snipe at them.
  • by omaha ( 41554 ) on Tuesday November 04, 2003 @01:11PM (#7387441) Homepage
    Fedora release - what release? Redhat did a very poor job of communicating it's strategy to it's customers. There is a ton of confusion right now because of it. This is not the customer's fault it's Redhat's.

    They need to get their act together and communicate or they are going to loose lots of people because of it.

    I don't care what they intended or what they are doing if I can't figure it out.
  • by chadm1967 ( 144897 ) on Tuesday November 04, 2003 @01:17PM (#7387505)
    "I guess we should say Long live Debian and Gentoo?"

    And.....Fedora, Slackware, and on and on and on.......

    What is everyone so worried about? There are so many choices out there when it comes to Linux. Actually, maybe Novell will release ISO's???????

  • by jdray ( 645332 ) on Tuesday November 04, 2003 @01:22PM (#7387575) Homepage Journal
    If all they did was put their file and print sharing services on Linux, with their blessing/support, it would encourage a lot of tentative IT departments to migrate their existing Novell/Netware licenses to a Novell/Linux implementation. Right now, a lot of Netware servers are being vintaged in favor of Microsoft file & print servers. I think a lot of that reason is the lack of applications that run on Netware. You can't use F&P servers for anything else besides maybe a GroupWise server. With a Novell/Linux, you would get a more usable server OS without having to spend a bunch of money on "competitive upgrade" licenses.
  • by bastion ( 444000 ) on Tuesday November 04, 2003 @01:43PM (#7387831)
    Chronology: 1995+
    Novell acquires AT&T UNIX source code.
    Novell rewrites NetWare.
    Novell sells UNIX source code to SCO.
    NetWare customer base shrinks to increasing Windows NT marketshare.
    Novell changes CEO's (Schmidt, etc.) like new parents change diapers.
    Novell acquires Ximian and SuSE Linux.
    SCO announces intentions to sue everyone with derivative UNIX technologies.

    Oh if only we knew then what we know now.....

    Hopefully Novell will be more forward thinking than it has demonstrated in the past, one notable indcident being it's slow process to adopt TCP/IP as a 'core' protocol over the inefficient IPX/SPX suite. Other incidences like the acquisition of the Word Perfect office suite (around 1994) and the subsequent lack of execution for this acquisition have often been the downfall of Novell. I would really like to think that Jack Messman (he whom called GNU/Linux immature) is going to change all that but alas only time will tell. Novell has had more than their share of talent that failed to materialize profit, Peter Schmidt (Java kingpin) among others have made contributions but never brought the cash cow home to graze.

    C'mon Novell don't fail us this time....

    But I have the IQ (and spelling ability) of an emtpy shoebox so what the hell do I know.
  • by chill ( 34294 ) on Tuesday November 04, 2003 @02:18PM (#7388243) Journal
    WRONG!

    How many times is this going to come up? It seems to be standard FUD towards RH.

    What you are talking about applies to the RHN SERVICE, not the software.

    Check out Appendix 1 of that document, specifically:

    1. The Software. Red Hat Enterprise Linux and Red Hat Applications (the "Software") are either a modular operating system or application consisting of hundreds of software components. The end user license agreement for each component is located in the component's source code. With the exception of certain image files identified in Section 2 below, the license terms for the components permit Customer to copy, modify, and redistribute the component, in both source code and binary code forms. This agreement does not limit Customer's rights under, or grant Customer rights that supersede, the license terms of any particular component.

    The image files they're talking about are the Shadoman logo and Red Hat logo.

    Charles
  • Re:Kiss of Death (Score:3, Insightful)

    by sheldon ( 2322 ) on Tuesday November 04, 2003 @02:30PM (#7388374)
    "What does Wordperfect, Quattro Pro, Caldara and SCO got to do with Novell?"

    Back in the early 90's when Novell thought they were the shit with the only major file/print server for LANs, they went and spent like $6 billion acquiring Wordperfect, Quattro Pro and I think Dbase or Paradox... anyway a whole suite of applications.

    They were going to take on Microsoft, defeat the behemoth using their mighty Utah wisdom!

    A few years later, they sold the lot of 'em to Corel for about $20 in canadian currency.

    Then in the mid 90's, SCO bought the Unix trademark and started promoting Unixware, the alternative to SCO. That failed too. So then they worked out a deal with SCO.

    Meanwhile Ray Noorda, the genius behind the $6 billion loss on Wordperfect went off to found Caldera, promoting Linux to the masses.

    All these things are interconnected.
  • by barureddy ( 314276 ) on Tuesday November 04, 2003 @03:32PM (#7389079)
    There is a flaw in you part 2. You don't take into account that microsoft might not be happy about gateway and dell offering linux as an option. Microsoft might punish them by increasing the pricing of the oem licenses. Another option which is being in effect now, is that microsoft give reduced prices to oems that only offer microsoft products.

    The change to linux is going to be gradual where there will come a point where microsoft can't grab the balls of major computer providers and force them to use microsoft products.

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