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Is There An OS On My Hard Drive? 553

stm2 writes "Thanks to an agreement between Lindows and Seagate, from October you will be able to choose a hard drive with or without Lindows. Michael Robertson, in his usual marketing speak, compares this to adding "Fluoride in the water", because now you get for free something you used to need to go after (people used to go to dentist to get their Fluoride). According to the PR, the OS can autodetect and configure itself on the host machine."
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Is There An OS On My Hard Drive?

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  • Re:Formatting (Score:3, Interesting)

    by apoch2001 ( 701484 ) on Wednesday September 24, 2003 @02:56AM (#7041331)
    ...gives Linux a bad name. Seagate could have sought out a better partner... perhaps SuSE or RedHat. Lindows is still too much a hacker dev to be useable by any normal people i.e. my gf.
  • Re:What? (Score:5, Interesting)

    by saden1 ( 581102 ) on Wednesday September 24, 2003 @03:07AM (#7041378)
    The question isn't what but when. When will Microsoft money come into play. Sooner or later Microsoft will be knocking on Seagate's door with a fruit basked full of goodies.

    This a good start but I'm afraid money talks and we all know Microsoft money talks the loudest of them all.
  • Re:This is weird (Score:5, Interesting)

    by NightSpots ( 682462 ) on Wednesday September 24, 2003 @03:09AM (#7041385) Homepage
    What they gain is the attention of another press release, and a few dozen new users who happen to have the boot order of their BIOSes wrong, and will boot from the new drive instead of CD and see Lindows for the first time completely by accident.

    There will also be a ton of literature in the box, more inexpensive advertising. A lot of people have heard of Linux, but think it can be hard to install. If it's sitting there waiting for them, and they've heard of it but are afraid to try to install it, there's a chance a few might let it go ahead and boot... what is there to lose, right?

    Most people won't care. Lindows isn't going for "most people." Their target audience is the group of people who aren't afraid of Linux, but are technically curious. It's a small market, and this might actually let them make a little headroom.
  • Re:Fluoride kills (Score:1, Interesting)

    by slash.dt ( 701002 ) on Wednesday September 24, 2003 @03:17AM (#7041410)
    Guess what, Oxygen kills too. Just because it is deadly in pure form does not mean that it doesn't have a benefit.
  • by mabhatter654 ( 561290 ) on Wednesday September 24, 2003 @03:24AM (#7041438)
    After all, geeks will grab the drive and instantly wipe it anyway...After all, most Linux installs boot from CD so we'd never see it anyway! But...It's an added feature Segate can put on the box, Electronic stores can advertize it as a feature. Mostly, it signals the END of seperate OS software sales

    It will now be possible to go to a store, buy pieces and have a working computer when you get home with no other work necessary. That's a good thing!! Segate sells a lot of retail drives. If it works out even a little bit for them maybe others will follow suit. I've heard ATI has MMC for Linux in-house somewhere...but that's a big step to sell linux in the retail box. Most mice & keyboards work in linux. Most networking equipment works with linux [heck most home routers RUN linux!] This is a perfect path to getting Linux market share

    It's too bad BeOS didn't think of this first! After all, Robertson is making an end-run around the infamous MS bootloader license. Shops can sell pre-tested barebones systems...then conveniantly slip you a pre-formated Linux drive. They are just selling "upgrade" pieces. And they aren't selling Linux at all...the Manufacture just adds that as a "test" feature. Very, very clever.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 24, 2003 @03:24AM (#7041440)
    Buy Samsung harddisks: They still come with 3 years of warranty, are no more expensive per GB and run quietly.
  • Free Advertising (Score:2, Interesting)

    by mo^ ( 150717 ) on Wednesday September 24, 2003 @03:30AM (#7041460)
    whatever we may think Lindows has set out to achieve, there is no denying that i have just spent 15 minutes of my life reading what to all intents and purposes is an advertisement for the software on my favourite tech site.

    maybe that was the idea... instead of shouting "BUY LINDOWS" at us via TV, they have instead bred an (mostly)informed discussion on the product. Not bad for a bit of free advertising
  • Re:To clarify (Score:3, Interesting)

    by ShadowDrake ( 588020 ) on Wednesday September 24, 2003 @03:33AM (#7041469)
    >it'll still take not significantly more time and >be more reliable to configure and image instead >of using preloaded installers.

    Unless there's a lot of product diversity.

    Say you offer five different mainboards (K7/SiS, K7/nVidia, K7/VIA, P4/SiS, P4/Intel), three video cards (S3/Trident/SiS/whatever is $9.99 today, Radeon series, Geforce series)and 5 boolean options (CD burner, TV tuner, DVD burner, upgraded sound, RAID card).

    5*3*2*2*2*2*2=480 different systems are possible, not counting insignificant-to-configuration differences such as RAM and CPU levels or software packages.

    If you want imaging....

    Hope you make images for the configurations that become popular if you don't want to make all 480.

    or

    Hope you can make a single image that supports more than 1 system (I believe this to be possible... I recall a noname P200 that had several sets of mainboard chimpset drivers under Win95, though it sure threw a hissy when I replaced an i430TX board with a VIA)

    and always

    Pray that the next set of parts you use won't break your images.
  • Comment removed (Score:5, Interesting)

    by account_deleted ( 4530225 ) on Wednesday September 24, 2003 @03:43AM (#7041494)
    Comment removed based on user account deletion
  • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 24, 2003 @03:44AM (#7041504)
    Most of the negative comments here are obvious, but I think Lindows should be applauded for this move. A version of Linux (even if it's one for newbies) has managed to find a new and unique distribution channel that Windows doesn't have and is unable to compete in.

    I expect drives to have a brief burn-in / testing period at the manufacturer anyway, so it makes no difference to me what comes on it by default - all zeros or an OS. As long as I'm still able to low-level format / repartition / high-level format it.

    Admit it: if you ever got such a drive (especially if the pre-installed Lindows option didn't add to the cost), you'd boot into Lindows at least once to check it out, wouldn't you? If you were building a machine for a friend or relative, you might even want to see how they got along with it for a few days before you nuked it and installed Windows. Am I right?
  • by QuantumG ( 50515 ) <qg@biodome.org> on Wednesday September 24, 2003 @03:47AM (#7041507) Homepage Journal
    Is this a sneaky way to get a machine with Linux preinstalled? Can I now get a Dell box with a Seagate harddrive in it that has Lindows preinstalled? If so, this is pure genius.. it really makes you wish that Be had figured out this strategy instead of banging their head up against the OEM brick wall.
  • by HanzoSan ( 251665 ) * on Wednesday September 24, 2003 @03:50AM (#7041512) Homepage Journal


    The game situation might actually be solved soon. Transgaming is doing a good job with the game situation. Now most games seem to work, just not the newest games. [transgaming.com]
  • Re:Fluoride... (Score:5, Interesting)

    by deadgoon42 ( 309575 ) on Wednesday September 24, 2003 @04:06AM (#7041558) Journal
    While the element Fluorine is highly toxic, I seriously doubt that Fluoride is is toxic or millions of people would be dying of fluoride poisoning. This is like saying table salt is poisonous because it contains Chlorine. While Chlorine on its own is a deadly gas, sodium chloride (table salt) is not poisonous and is in fact necessary for human survival.
  • Re:Yes, bad analogy (Score:2, Interesting)

    by Tony Hoyle ( 11698 ) <tmh@nodomain.org> on Wednesday September 24, 2003 @04:48AM (#7041695) Homepage
    The UK government is planning to force everyone to have it added to their water, which pretty much means I'll have to start buying gallons of non-flouridated water at inflated prices (my wife has a stomach condition and things like that are almost guaranteed to put her in hospital).

    Not to mention the major health risk - if you boil water with it it leaves a residue that is apparently more toxic than cyanide, so you have to scrub the kettle clean after each cup... no thanks. I can't risk dying because someone forgot to scrub the kettle out.

  • Re:What? (Score:3, Interesting)

    by zelurxunil ( 710061 ) <zelurxunil@gma[ ]com ['il.' in gap]> on Wednesday September 24, 2003 @06:32AM (#7042014) Homepage Journal
    Seagate probably has Microsoft knocking on the door for the last few years with more money than they've ever seen. Unfortunetly for Microsoft they are gaining a little bit of a track record of well lets say not neccessarly treating business partners as well as some think they should. Accepting any Microsoft deal is almost a death wish for companies. They suddenly become locked into a Windows only market, and when Microsoft becomes unhappy with them, they'll just buy them, or copy their ideas and remove them from supported Windows devices. If I where running Seagate, I would not want to have anything to do with Microsoft.
  • Deaf Smith County (Score:3, Interesting)

    by DoctorFrog ( 556179 ) on Wednesday September 24, 2003 @06:36AM (#7042030)
    now show me someone living in a state with fluoridated water with excellent teeth despite no dental care.

    That's exactly how they figured that fluoride was good for your teeth. Poor folk in rural Deaf Smith County, Texas had excellent teeth despite not having access to dental care, and they figured it was because the water was naturally fluoridated.

    Of course, it apparently also made a passel o' Smiths lose their hearing, but they could still smile right nice...

  • Re:Fluoride... (Score:2, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 24, 2003 @07:46AM (#7042276)
    Fluoride was first 'discovered' as a preventative measure by an industrial scientist working for ALCOA. Fluoride-based waste - which was illegal to dump in the ocean - is a major byproduct of aluminum production. At the time (1940's) the aluminum industry was plagued by lawsuits from farmers who had fluoride-based pollutants kill their livestock and plants.

    Fluoride was also key to the Manhattan Project - uranium hexafluoride was used to separate uranium isotopes. Consequently, the idea that fluoride was good for you became a very paletable idea for the government and industry.

    And how did they sell this crock of shit to the public? Edward Bernays was ALCOA's head of PR - read up on him, he wrote a book called Propaganda about selling bad ideas to an unsuspecting public.

    Fluoride in water is not a good idea. Anyone who thinks it is has been suckered by industry and the government, who think it's a neat idea to put something that's mildly less toxic than arsenic, and slightly more toxic than lead into our water supplies.

    Do your research next time, do not take what you think is true forgranted. This isn't scaremongering by loony crackpots who aren't scientists - most of this is historical and found in recently declassified military documents. If you want to read up on it, visit Google and look for Deepwater and fluoride, or Newburgh and fluoride. You'll find a wealth of information on it.
  • Re:What? (Score:0, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 24, 2003 @08:15AM (#7042403)
    Probably not, but according to Turing Award winner Jim Gray, it soon will. [acmqueue.org]
  • Re:Fluoride... (Score:4, Interesting)

    by localghost ( 659616 ) <dleblanc@gmail.com> on Wednesday September 24, 2003 @08:21AM (#7042446)
    Chlorine isn't neccessary, it's the sodium that you need. Chlorine is the simplest means of delivering it. In water, the sodium and chlorine dissociate, and the sodium enters the blood stream as an electrolyte. The chlorine simply joins the rest of the chlorine in the stomach acid (H+(aq) + Cl-(aq)) and is disposed of whenever the excess acid is disposed of.

    Flouride is similar. In water, you will find F-(aq), which is not flourine (which is a gas) but flouride (which is an ion). Flouride, because of its high electronegativity, binds to posivite ions the first chance it gets. The flouride, and any ion it carries with it, then passes through the digestive system and is disposed of, since it serves no useful purpose elsewhere.

    Now then, what was this article about? Oh right, hard drives and Lindows. Right.
  • Re:Fluoride... (Score:3, Interesting)

    by glassesmonkey ( 684291 ) * on Wednesday September 24, 2003 @08:32AM (#7042539) Homepage Journal
    Since everyone else is off-topic, I'll say that it is interesting to look at stomach/intestine cancer rates in cities that Fluorinate their water.

    I also find it interesting that there might be a correlation to high-iron diets and cancer (ie. iron is an anti-anti-oxidant, meaning it makes free-radicals).. Western diet is high in red meat and iron-fortified foods.. Eastern diet is high in soy & tea (both very high in iron-absorbtion supressing chemicals, like tannins which are only available in green teas).. In the 70s they were so afraid newer soy milks / soy foods would be a real problem for kids which need Iron so they overdosed all our breakfast cereals to ensure kids would get enough.

    Men should avoid iron supplements and cereal. Actually, 1 in 200 people have over-iron-absorption gene mutation and most never find out about it.
  • Re:Yes, bad analogy (Score:1, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 24, 2003 @10:31AM (#7043668)
    Considering the state of British people's teeth. This should be a top priority.

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