Knoppix 3.3 Is Out 430
maedls.at writes "After 6 months of development, the latest version of Knoppix 3.3 is out - Kernel 2.4.22 with HIGHMEM (4GB) support, KDE 3.1.3, XFree86 4.3, OpenOffice 1.0.3 (German and English), KOffice 1.2.1, new boot options for RAM or hard-disk preload of the CD. Possibility to create a persistent homedir with personal data and desktop settings on a memory stick or similar, optional with AES encryption." The main Knoppix site is still down in protest of European software patent legislation (click on the link inside the English paragraph to get to the meat of the site), but the excellent knoppix.net has a detailed changelog.
They dropped support for x586 (Score:0, Informative)
FCK YOU
What you don't look at the page first? (Score:5, Informative)
Hurry up and make my download go faster! (Score:3, Informative)
That's for the English image. V3.3-2003-09-22.
worked for me today (Score:4, Informative)
Get it in Canada (Score:5, Informative)
If you don't have access to a good pipe, you can always order it from Nattor the Little CD Vendor:
http://www.waglo.com/nattor/ [waglo.com]
P.S.: don't complain that my sig is redundant - someone probably has them turned off. Thanks :)
Re:Fix for nvidia chipset? (Score:3, Informative)
Re:How to create a persistant homedir on USB memor (Score:5, Informative)
Re:How to create a persistant homedir on USB memor (Score:3, Informative)
(or something like that.. I know it's somewhere under the KDE menu->KNOPPIX menu)
Now your pen drive is your mobile home directory!
Re:swarm the torrents (Score:3, Informative)
It **IS** on there.... (Score:5, Informative)
http://www.stirnimann.com/mystuff/doc/knoppix.t
It's open source, man. Have at it. Be sure to send a link to Slashdot and let everyone know how much a l337 haX0r you are.
Re:What you don't look at the page first? (Score:3, Informative)
amazingly enough They have a torrent link on their download page
Looks like they need it. I'm using that bit torrent link right now and my upload speed is about 3x that of my download speed. I hate to think of the pounding the mirrors are taking.
Re:Knoppix for USB Key? (Score:4, Informative)
You mean like Damn Small Linux [damnsmalllinux.org] ? That's a debian derivatives, but only 50MiB.
http://rz-obrian.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de/knoppix-usb/ [uni-karlsruhe.de] will guide you into fitting it on your usb key.
Good luck!
flaming debian-legal list=legal issues? (Score:5, Informative)
*rolling eyes*
If that's Xnoppix's reason, they've been reading debian-legal too much and comparing the code too little. If Mplayer has "legal issues", then so does Xine. Both players can decrypt DVDs, both can use borrowed win32 codecs, both use algorithms that are subject to patents (in the US). Where's the difference? The Mplayer devs got into a nasty flamewar with debian-legal people, and the Xine team didn't.
Re:DVD Knoppix? (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Why? (Score:4, Informative)
ROFL.
There's a root shell right in the KDE menu, and from there you can run 'passwd' to change the password. Bam, now you have total root access to the entire knoppix box.
Congratulations, you just rooted your own box.
Re:DVD Knoppix? (Score:2, Informative)
Wow, you ate lead paint as a child, didn't you? (Score:1, Informative)
p.s. Did you have to look up big words? "work on an essay on the ontological beliefs of Heraclitus of Ephesos"? You could have just said "working on a documents"....
Re:DVD Knoppix? (Score:4, Informative)
Mostly, it's to hard for the One Guy [Klaus Knopper] and a couple friends to keep up more than 1 offical version. So for quality-sake, they don't do that, and try to keep one version they can test throughly and do a really GREAT JOB on! It's better that way.
Re:They dropped support for x586 (Score:2, Informative)
Re:flaming debian-legal list=legal issues? (Score:2, Informative)
FCK YOU (Score:5, Informative)
This is informative:
1. PII = P6
2. Your 3.2 Knoppix will continue to boot.
Re:I've got a Pentium II 233 (Score:3, Informative)
1) A Pentium 1 would run like dog crap anyway
2) On most modern hardware optimizing for 686 gives almost the same benefit as optimizing for a specific processor (ie: Athlon Thunderbird, etc)
Re:Wow, you ate lead paint as a child, didn't you? (Score:2, Informative)
1. as previously explained, Knoppix runs off the cd - thus the on-the-fly decompression + slow cd speed (cds are SLOW compared to hdds) will make openoffice crawl to start - since that one is really lazy starting off a hard drive as well. same goes for any large program in knoppix - and if you happen to have too little ram it's going to get worse.
2. ALL THE WRITEABLE DORECTORIES ARE IN RAM - hence volatile. the stuff that's on the cd is read-only and the automatically-mounted windows partitions are read-only by default (and if they are ntfs write is probably out of the question). so if you are the happy owner of a fat32 win partition you can right-click on it on hte desktop and choose remount as writeable. otherwise use a damn floppy.
3. the CD is FINALIZED - meaning you can't add data on it at all (not even using writing software). so you can either save on a remounted win partition, on a floppy, email or transfer on the net the file.
4. printing is damn easy - all you really have to do is set the printer up from the kde control center. but then it requires having a clue (which you can get from reading some docs/manpages/plain kde help)
next time try looking around before you go jumping head-on. there are docs that pretty much explain how knoppix works and what's its purpose. and, being linux, you actually have to use your head a little as opposed to windows. (btw - free advice: ditch winME, it's the worst piece of crap microsoft produces in the last ~7-8 years. win2k is A LOT better).
Re:Not to ruin the mood... (Score:2, Informative)
One nice example is MPlayer's [mplayerhq.hu] website which looks like a 404 error. When I first saw it I audibly exclaimed "WTF?" (I don't pronounce the letters, but the words that they stand for, in case you were wondering...) Then I saw that it was a patent protest page, clicked through, got my MPlayer, and promptly forgot about European software patents.
Oh, wait... what was your point again?
Re:Not to ruin the mood... (Score:3, Informative)
Agreed. Although the MPlayer site is rather amusing.
Not in the usual way - I mean, not because they're protesting patents and doing the same thing. But because they're protesting patents affecting their ability to produce software, yet at the same time they feel no problem in copying other people's intellectual property - that is, copyright infringement.
If you don't believe me, run a diff on the files in their win32 codec package on the files from a Windows or other distribution. They're the same. And that, folks, is illegal.
What's really amusing is that the thing that will eventually shut them down is not patent infringement - it's their own wholesale piracy of other peoples' code.
Re:Learn before you Graduate...again (Score:4, Informative)
Frankly, you didnt' give this nearly a fair trial. I read other posts, and you didn't take the time to even learn what Knoppix was, or how to work it before you trusted you life's work to it. Had you read up a little before jumping in, you would have learned how to do everything you wanted in about an hour. Been running from start to configured in 10 minutes, and not lost a thing! Even been able to save that file so you could open it in windows!!! Knoppix is meant to "Do no harm!' that means it doesn't write to ANYTHING without you giving it express permission...on NT boxes writing to a drive is lethal--It couldn't assume that you wanted anything saved.
Read up at Knoppix.net! Check out the FAQs, and browse the forums for an evening before trying it out again. You might find that you'll like it!
Re:Pack it next time you go! (Score:4, Informative)
Most PCs that can boot from a CDROM should be able to run knoppix. The only way you'll know for sure is to try it out [no harm in trying!] or to read up on specifics on the forum if there's a particular piece of hardware you know you need to support.
Please, try it...You can't really HURT any PCs with it so it's always worth a try!
Re:Not to ruin the mood... (Score:3, Informative)
(ie., http-referer is other than the site.)
Most projects have chosen to go with the latter as it would cause minimum disruption to their own users while providing maximum exposure to the anti-patent protest.
Re:My problems with Knoppix (Score:2, Informative)
Translation: I'm a die-hard Microsoft yuppie. After hearing so much about Knoppix I figured it'd be a great way for me to shoot myself in the foot with minimal fuss so I could go on Slashdot and bitch about my bad Linux experience.
I was not impressed to say the least.
Translation: I was not disappointed.
I booted the operating system and then started work on an essay on the ontological beliefs of Heraclitus of Ephesos.
Translation: I booted this strange operating system with its strange Office package and went right to work doing something important during my experimental learning session with Knoppix.
First of all starting OpenOffice.org ('.org' at the end of an application name? What's with that?) took incredibly long.
Translation: Since I'm already in a fightin' mood I'll go ahead and take a senseless poke at the '.org' bit. So, it took a long time to load OpenOffice.org. Never mind the fact that I didn't have to install the OS or the application.
I could have installed my copy (yes, it's legit and paid for) of Windows Millenium Edition in the time it took to boot Knoppix and start OpenOffice.org.
Translation: To further my cause I'm going to make a totally bullshit statement about the speed of a WinME install and a Knoppix bootup. I've also got to make sure I point out I bought my Windows just in case the Software Cops are reading.
Anyway it was to my surprise that even though I saved this file to my 'Desktop', the next time I booted Knoppix it was nowhere to be found. So now my philosophy 521 paper was missing -- needless to say I booted into Windows Millenium Edition (where files don't just god damned disappear) and rewrote the paper, printed it (couldn't get that working in Knoppix either) and haven't looked back.
Translation: I made a stupid mistake brought about by my failure to understand exactly what it was I was using, so I got pissed of, re-did my work the way I know how and then came to Slashdot to whine to make myself feel better.
I really like the idea of cooperation and open source software, the community idea seems really neat, and I hope these guys get their stuff together so regular guys like me can use this software at the efficiency and reliability that professional software offers.
Seriously look at what you're bitching about. You complain that the software was slow, despite the fact that it was running off of a CD ROM instead of a hard drive. CD ROM drives are slower than hard drives by a couple orders of magnitude. You're a college boy, right, so you know what an order of magnitude is, right? You recognize the ability to run a completely different OS and a completely different word processor without having to put your hard drive in any danger at all, then wonder why the software didn't automagically know to put your document on the hard drive. Hmm!
You obviously didn't have any problem actually using the word processor to write your doc, so obviously these Open Source folks are doing something right. Glad you approve.
Re:They dropped support for x586 (Score:3, Informative)
Actually, yes, my Super-Micro Pentium that started as a P90 and is now a P166 will boot from CD in the BIOS, and the mb will not even support the dual voltage mmx pentiums. Knopix was actually acceptable on it too for Linux itself, but the GUI was a pig. Still, it would work and once you got something started (like a browser) it worked pretty well.
Not that I use the system much, but it still serves as a test bed when I want to check out new software or for running simple applications when I don't want to tie up my main system, such as an FTP server. I have even used it with Knoppix and Ethereal to do packet sniffing when I needed to watch my main system.
Actually, even if the BIOS doesn't support it, you can boot a PC from CD with "Smart Boot Manager". I use the version included with XOSL [sourceforge.net], which is great. Lets you boot multiple OS, boot from multiple hard drives (not just the first one), boot from A or B floppy, and even boot from any CDR on the system (again, not just the first one).
Easiest way to Install GNU / Linux Debian : (Score:3, Informative)
Re:How to create a persistant homedir on USB memor (Score:4, Informative)
From the knoppix homepage:
Also these options:
If you want to bring in the big guns, there's knoppix-std [knoppix-std.org] too, with encryption support, etc.
FYI (Score:5, Informative)
"Please don't use knx-hdinstall any more!
I won't support it any longer and its just there as uhm, its not my project, but those of Christian Perle.
knoppix-installer should now work in both modes (see below) and give a fairly stable system. "
Re:Knoppix still king of bootable CDs (Score:3, Informative)
That's Klaus Knopper. And AFAIK, only Klaus Knopper (except for the installer, which is contributed).
Re:Knoppix still king of bootable CDs (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Hardware Support...networking (Score:3, Informative)
Re:DVD Knoppix? (Score:3, Informative)
If you need more help, reply and I'll give you a bunch of links.
Knoppix is a lifesaver/NTFS recovery (Score:5, Informative)
I popped it in, booted up, and was ready to amaze my friend. Both his NTFS hard drive and his USB FAT32 hard drive appeared on the desktop automagically after boot. I set the USB drive to read/write by right-clicking and selecting the read/write mode. I opened both drives in two separate windows of Konqueror and performed the data recovery right before his eyes by dragging files from one drive to another.
When the backup was complete, I showed him a few other things like the games and that he was completely internet capable. His jaw dropped in awe. He asked if I would make him a copy of the CD so that he could be internet functional on his computer until he could get a new hard drive. I told him to keep the CD. It was his very first experience with Linux... and a very positive one.
I will reiterate one thing I have already read under this topic. No one should be without a Knoppix CD. Go find yourself a torrent or a mirror and get Knoppix now!!! You never know when it will save your a$$.
Re:They dropped support for x586 (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Knoppix as a diagnostic tool (Score:2, Informative)
I couldn't even run knoppix (let alone XP) on that computer (a SN41G2 shuttle) until I had the one stick swapped for another one.
If you get any errors on memtest86 (say after running it for 8 hours continuous) then you probably won't be able to install any OS (and/or experience random crashes).
Also, make sure you plug in a shitty pci videocard if you have a system which uses main memory for as display memory (like the nforce chipset). That segment of memory wouldn't get tested by memtest86. Setting that memory to 0 in the bios wouldn't help either. Hello? who turned off the lights ;-)
knx-hdinstall (Score:5, Informative)
That's what the knx-hdinstall command does.
mirror in sweden (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Lucky me... (Score:3, Informative)
Why would you?
Just connect to the already-provided torrent and save it overtop of your current one, you'll start seeding it right away and you won't have to download it again.
Re:Flat screen support? (Score:3, Informative)
your boot line should look something like
knoppix lang=us xmodule=fbdev screen=1280x1024
HTH,
Paul