SCO: Code Proof Analyzed, Linus Interviewed

Arker writes "Bruce Perens has now obtained a copy of the entire slide show from which the recently scrutinized SCO-related Linux code excerpts came, and has analyzed the remainder of the 'evidence' they presented there. Their other code exhibit turns out to have been the venerable Berkeley Packet Filter(!), and their revised line-counts are consistent with simply adding together all the lines of code that have been contributed by Unix licensees." Also, Iphtashu Fitz writes "A new interview with Linus Torvalds has been posted on eWeek.com. In it he slams SCO over the recently leaked source code. Among other things, he points out in the interview that some of the code in question has been removed from the 2.6 kernel ['because developers complained about how "ugly" it was'] before SCO even started complaining."

Linus Pulls no Punches

[rgmoore]

Torvalds: They are smoking crack. Their slides said there are [more than] 800,000 lines of SMP code that are "infringing," and they are just off their rocker.

Come on Linus, stop dancing around the issue. Tell us what you really think about their claims.

Get out your picks and torches!

[downix]

SCO has committed the most vile of sin. They not only created FUD, not only stole our source code, not only tried to steal our limelight, but they revealed that we used ANCIENT BSD CODE!

The evil ones must die!

Berkeley Packet Filter?

[MakoStorm]

I think I have one of those on in my bedroom so my sinuses dont clog up. :-)

Filter the packet... drop drop drop...

Torvalds: They are smoking crack.

[speedfreak_5]

You sure? I could've sworn they were doing some LSD and had a REALLY bad trip...

New SCO Logo!

[fidget42]

Here [ecommercetimes.com]. Nuff Said.

now that hurts

[b17bmbr]

'because developers complained about how "ugly" it was'

Tomorrow's headline....

[technomom]

SCO Sues Linus Torvalds for Libelous Crack-Smoking Comment

JoAnn

Torvalds's's Comment's

[teamhasnoi]

After reading Linus's's's comment's, I think he is just going to replace the 'offending' code with a big ASCII middle finger. like this,-> 'n|m m|n' only way bigger.

And dammit, why does Linus Torvalds have to have 'S' at the end of his first and last name? I can't figure out where the apostrophy goes. ;)

Re:How do you pronounce SCO?

[WTFmonkey]

I usually say SCO, as in SCOTUM

Oh no...

[bsd troll]

Linux is dying!

BSD Code?

[mikeee]

Oh, no! It's an insidious plot to kill Linux by implanting BSD code, because as well all know, BSD is dying, and has been for over a decade now.

Re:How do you pronounce SCO?

[Repugnant_Shit]

No no, it's *spelled* S C O, but it's pronouned "ass hats"

Re:How do you pronounce SCO?

[hedley]

I pronounce them dead. Time of death, the moment Darl opened is fat trap and talked up this scam.

That reminds me....

[Kappelmeister]

we should probably update this classic guide [netjeff.com] to state that SCO has staked a claim to certain undisclosed, yet crucial parts of the Unix gun. Recently leaked reports indicate it to be the "load bullet in first hole" algorithm, which has actually been around since BSD muskets.

All attempts to fire the gun will now incur a $700 license fee, though there are no restrictions on where you can subsequently fire it.

Re:Torvalds: They are smoking crack.

[PolyDwarf]

LSD... BSD... What's a letter here and there?

Re:Torvalds: They are smoking crack.

[phauxfinnish]

Crack = Steal from everyone around you just to support your habit, which, by the way is, is ultimately leading to your demise. LSD = Happy-Go-Lucky, give all your toys away to the next "Nice" looking person. Even on a bad trip, it's usually just a matter of not trusting anyone around you, but you be stealing something (except maybe your trip-partner's soul MUHAHAHA) I think the crack analogy is more appropriate. I suppose the paranoia factor of a bad LSD experience could correlate to this situation, but overall, crack is better... I mean acid is better, but crack is more appropriate.

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Re:Aggressive!

[DataPath]

For his kids' sakes I sure hope he is. he oughtta be around for AT LEAST another 10 years.

Ten years from now, Microsoft is going to be aggressively marketing their Windows API for *nixes, and making cash off IP and Patent licensing to corporate solutions providers working in Linux.

Twenty years from now, we're going to see Microsoft pulling a SCO and trying to squeeze a few extra cents on their shares so Bill Gates can have enough money to retire on, claiming that Linus Jr. allowed Microsoft IP into the Linux kernel. The claims will be obfuscated, just like the example code on the OpenOffice.org Impress slides showing the "stolen code".

Thirty years from now, Bill Gates will be remembered fondly as the person who first brought computers to the common man, back when computers were"young" and still crashed. And back when 64GB of RAM should have been enough for anybody.

Fourty years from now, rumors will be going around, and inevitably, said rumors getting forwarded by everyone's mother and best-friend's sister, about how Bill Gates's brain has been preserved and there's a $4 billion cash account willed to the team that can successfully transplant his brain into a genetically cloned and grown body. And Linus Torvalds's name will be in every 1st grade computer textbook along with Babbage, Turing, Von Neumann, and that Apple guy whose computers still hold onto 6% of the desktop computer market.

Not LSD!

[YeOldeGnurd]

They were doing some BSD! And they've been asking people to "sign our MDA".

To paraphrase Inspector Clouseau, they are asking us to buy "a leesenzzz for their minkee". But it is not their minkee!

Re:Torvalds: They are smoking crack.

[primus_sucks]

I don't care, whatever they are doing, send some of it to me. Seems like really good shit!

A ditty

[teamhasnoi]

Old Da-rl McPrisonBride, S-C,S-C-O
CEO of the company, S-C,S-C-0
With snip, snip here, and some very questionable source code whose origin that cannot be determined and most likely taken out of context while backed up with ludicrious claims that have no bearing on reality and in fact show a complete disregard for sanity in conjuction with alienating their customers and angering those who created it in the first place while simultaneously suing those who use it and impressing on the community the need to imprison the asshats who are pumping and dumping their stock at the expense of the shareholders and in spite of FTC rules there,
Here a line, there a line, everywhere a stolen line!
Old Da-rl McPrisonBride, S - C, S - C - OOOoooo!

Second verse, same as the first! Everyone!

Re:Criminal prosecution

[rnturn]

``I think a firing squad would be ...''

Do they still use firing squads in Utah or did they quit using that method after the Gary Gilmore execution?

``So, Mr. NcBride... Blindfold? Cigarette?''

Re:now that hurts

[Dumbush]

who? McBride?

Re:You missed one link, there....

[Nucleon500]

SCO disputed Perens' claims. "We're the owners of the Unix (AT&T) System V code, and so we would know what it would look like," he said. "Until it comes to court, it's going to be our word against theirs."

Hmm, SCO's word against Bruce's and Linus's. I wonder who I should trust. My head hurts.

Re:How to handle SCO

[dorko]

Imagine a beowulf cluster of lawsuits ...

Now that I've seen those words, my time at Slashdot is done. I can move on.

let's show them

[aldousd666]

http://www.sco.com/company/feedback/index.html

Send them a link to this article. http://www.perens.com/SCO/SCOSlideShow.html

See what they have to say.

If it trys to send you to another part of their site, simply hit back, and send it again ;)

I'm sure the 'owners of unix' can handle a slashdotting.

Re:How do you pronounce SCO?

[Anonymous Coward]

Their stock symbol is SCOX, so the obvious pronunciation is "Es-Cocks".

FUCK EVERY WINDOWS USER OUT THERE

[Anonymous Coward]

You all suck on the choad of godzilla because you are complete twats and arrogant ignorant bastard asses go fuck yourself until you rot mother fucking cock suckers stupid gay bastards if you can't deal with the fact that LInux is the superior OS over Windows XP and you can't handle the idea that you need to use a command line to actually do real work with a computer then you need to put yourself

Re:IBM

[Stonent1]

Remember, IBM as a company has made their money by keeping their "i"s dotted and their "t"s crossed.

A former boss of mine was a retired IBMer. He used to give us handwriting "lessons". He kept a master copy of his own handwriting with all letters and numbers written. If he didn't like the way we filled out paperwork, we'd get a sheet in our inbox. So "i"s dotted and "t"s crossed is right on the mark.

Re:IBM

[CrackersnSoup]

I have to totaly agree. I have a IBM PS/1 running FreeSCO ;-)

The Soup
No spoon my @$$.

Re:Torvalds: They are smoking crack.

[merc]

No, but they're mormon, so they're probably doing lots of LDS.

Ok, the joke is over.

Slashdot Effect...

[Zazi]

Shit, it hasn't even been two hours and already the site has been Slashdotted. Jesus Christ, give ME a chance to at least see it before you all start jumping on it! EEEeeesssshhhh!!!!

Re:Please!

[Farley Mullet]

let the major media outlets catch on to this.

Yep, I can see it happening now:

Lance: And, in our top story, linux guru Bruce Perens claims that linux code that SCO alleges was stolen in fact is the Berkley Packet Filter, and an old malloc() implementation.

Sherry: BPF Lance? Isn't that licensed under the GPL?

Lance: Actually, the BSD license, Sherry.

Sherry: And malloc()? Source has been available for that since the '70s for goodness sake!

Both laugh

Sherry: Next in sports: the Yankees play the royals, and Jimmy will tell you all about what it means for the playoff picture!

SCO v. linux, coming to the evening news.

Re:Linus Pulls no Punches

[Anonymous Coward]

I want to see an article from a non-open source advocate called "SCO is Smoking Crack". Maybe the judge will hold as much.

SCO now offically stands for "Smoking Crack Operation"

Re:Linus Pulls no Punches

[paganizer]

In fairness to all the crack smokers out there, I believe Mr. Torvalds needs to issue a public apology.
It's a definite libel case, don't you think? do you think ANY crack smoker wants to be associated with this sort of activity.

Be fair, Linus.

FREENET=FREESPEECH (even if it is kinda busted right now)

Re:Call, don't email!

[BJH]

I dunno - might be interesting to see the FTC's notes on these calls.

"Got another call today from somebody complaining about this company called, uh, "hell-bound bastards", or possibly "Skoh". The complaint was along the lines of 'that fucking Darl better not leave Utah, because if he does he'll get a giant penguin made of barbed wire crammed up his ass'. Caller sounded fairly annoyed. Possibly bears further investigation, in light of the 4000 other calls we've received today saying much the same thing. Sure wouldn't want to be this Darl guy. What kind of a name is Darl, anyway? Sounds like some fatass lawyer to me."

Linus

[mattite]

... Is the Man. I'm going to start printing T-shirts that say "SCO is smoking crack."

Re:Torvalds's's Comment's

[tongue]

The poster is largely correct, although Torvalds' would be correct if used to describe his family, ie The Torvalds' vacation to finland ended badly when the Microsoft Word grammar checker failed at customs reentry.

Re:Tomorrow's headline....

[whome]

Crack smokers file class action libel suit against Linus Torvalds for comparing them to SCO.

Re:New SCO Logo!

[MuParadigm]

Shooting yourself in the foot with operating systems (from the above referenced link):

Unix: You shoot yourself in the foot.

DOS: You keep running up against the one-bullet barrier.

MS-Windows: The gun blows up in your hand.

Windows NT: The gun is so huge and unwieldy that you have to keep swapping
it from one hand to the other.

OS/2: The gun and the bullet aren't speaking to each other any more.

Mac Finder: It's easy to shoot yourself in the foot -- just point
and shoot.

New Addition

SCO: Insert bullet.
Proceed (Y/N)? Y
Step on Land Mine (Y/N)? Y
Pull Trigger (Y/N)? Y
Cannot pull trigger.
You lost your hands when you stepped on the land mine.
Your feet, legs, genitals, and torso are lost too.
(Abort, Retry, Fail?) R
System Halted

Hey now..

[destiney]

I don't think crackheads would want to be associated with a bunch of scum bag liars like SCO.

Re:Linus Pulls no Punches

[McBride, Darl]

I can't speak for the rest of my company (well, actually, that's not entirely true), but I for one do not drugs. I confess that my only addiction is this lawsuit. I thrive on it, I live by it, and when it succeeds, I will pummel out lawsuit after lawsuit against SCO IP Infringers.

Your false acronym has been noted, and my lawyers will be contacting you shortly.

Let us lobeth a grenade at SCO and be done.

[niko9]

Taco:Yes, of course! The Holy Slashdot of OSDL! 'Tis one of the sacred relics Brother Cowboy Neal carries with him. Brother Neal! Bring up the Holy Slashdot!

AC's chanting: Pie Iesu domine, dona eis requiem.

Brother Neal: Armaments, chapter two, verse nine to twenty one.

Brother Neal: And Saint Stallman raised the Slashdot up high, saying, 'O Lord, bless this Thy Holy Slashdot that, with it, Thou mayest slashdot Thine enemies to tiny bits in Thy mercy'. And the Lord did grin, and the AC's did feast upon first posts, trolls, GNAA posts, and...

Taco: Skip it a bit, Brother.

Brother Neal: And the Lord spake, saying, 'First shalt thou click on the holy link called Slashdot. Then, shalt thou count to three. No more. No less. Three shalt be the number thou shalt count, and the the number of the counting shall be three. Four shalt thou not count, nor neither count thou two, excepting that thou then proceed to three. Five is right out. Once the number three, being the third number, be reached, then, clickest thou holy Slashdot of OSDL towards thy server [caldera.com], who being naughty in My sight, shall snuff it.'

Taco: Amen

Re:Berkeley Packet Filter?

[NanoGator]

My girlfriend caught me indulging in a creative use of a packet sniffer.

Man I hate the couch.

Re:Call the FTC!

[cmacb]

Problem with that FTC form is that there is a dropdown list that you have to fill in for "How Did You Pay the Company", and "mailed them a shoe box full of cow dung" doesn't show up on the list!

Re:Please!

[Gherald]

Groupthink is nonsense. Think of it instead as the law of diminishing returns and the laws of thermodynamics all operating at once.

My Favorite Part of the article:

[ONU CS Geek]

eWEEK: For its part though, SCO has said that there are so many lines of code, and a variety of applications and devices that use that code, that simply removing the offending code would not be technically feasible or possible and would not solve the problem. Do you agree?

Torvalds: They are smoking crack.

...

Re:Linus Pulls no Punches

[randyest]

Seriously -- when and how did this "crack-smoking" thing start? I though it was a thoroughly slang-only thing, but this is borderline mainstream use. As hard as is it to admit this, I've smoked crack, and freebase cocaine, and damnit it neither one ever made me feel SCO-crazy (did I get ripped off?). The main effect is more like a paralysis than any sort of inspiration to active idiocy.

How did crack get such a wrong stereotype? Don't you kids even bother to use a drug once or twice before adopting it as the nominally definitive slang for "acting wrong"?

Re:Linus Pulls no Punches

[Jugalator]

I thought it was Spurious Crime Organization. :-)

http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20030605& mode=classic [userfriendly.org]

Re:IBM

[Simon Garlick]

IBM doesn't do things half-assed.

My one-word rebuttal: DESKSTAR.

SCO: Skanky Crack hO

[dipipanone]

Hmm. Well, I've smoked crack as well, and I don't think Linus is so off beam. Lets look at the facts:

Smoking crack is expensive. You need a fair few dollars if you're going to have a decent binge. For some people at least, they'll do pretty well anything to get that money. Lie, steal, whore.

Smoking crack makes you obsessive/compulsive. After that first hit, all you think about is more crack. You talk and think about it obsessively, and when you aren't making progress towards your goal of getting more crack, you're kinda depressed.

Now look at SCO. No integrity at all. Prepared to do or say anything to get more crack (an increase in stock price.) Talk obsessively about it in the media, even though their tales are demonstrably filled with lies.

I'll accept not everyone reacts in this way, so perhaps Linus should have been a bit more careful in his characterization. SCO isn't just smoking crack. SCO is the Skanky Crack hO, hustling a nasty bony ass that nobody but other crazy crackheads wants to buy.

Now where's that motherfucker who keeps on boasting about his SCO stock? I hope he's been on to his broker in the last few hours.

The Smoking Crack Operation

[heironymouscoward]

Excellent nomination.

However, I must warn readers of Slashdot that the terms "crack", "crack cocaine", "crack head", "crack house" are trademarks of El Mellin Cartel & Co. Any use of these terms in the literal context (as compared to "SCO crack me up") is subject to a $699 licensing fee, payable in small bills.
The good thing is we supply you with stuff you can smoke, SCO just stuff you with smoke.
This aside, I agree with the previous posts, and our records confirm that a Senor D. MCBRIDE is a serious consumer of our prime products.

Reveal their identities!

[Anonymous Coward]

I wish the court would make SCO reveal the list of idiots who actually bought a SCO license for using Linux, so I can laugh at them.

Re:See The Tanenbaum-Torvalds Debate

[znaps]

Tanenbaum wrote (in 1992)

Will we soon see President Bush coming to Europe with Richard Stallman and Rick Rashid in tow, demanding that Europe import more American free software?

How did he know Bush would become president??!?!

SCO - Sniffing Coke Operation?

[Anonymous Coward]

SCO - Sniffing Coke Operation , managed by 'coke sniffing glamour boys', driven by greed and overrated self esteem; lost their technically competent staff a while ago, and now tries to make money from their worthless UNIX IP ownership, by fantasizing unhindered by any knowledge of law and programming issues, and exploited by layers, Microsoft, speculating investers and their own greed???

Re:SCO: Skanky Crack hO

[rizole]

I did it just for the crack skanking [geocities.com]

Re:Linus Pulls no Punches

[Hatta]

Except that SCO has copyright on those patents.

Nah, if they sue Linus for libel...

[Rorgg]

he has an easy defense.

"No, no, I said that a 'Caldera's a smoking crack.'"

Now Fox News is at it too

[Anonymous Coward]

Just on the subject of people claiming to be "balanced" and ludicrous claims about who owns what:

Patent the absurd

Aug 14th 2003 | NEW YORK
From The Economist print edition
Unintellectual property

AMERICA'S legal system, ever plumbing the depths of lunacy, seemed to hit a new low on August 8th, when Rupert Murdoch's Fox News Channel sued Al Franken, a satirist whose forthcoming book, "Lies and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them: A Fair and Balanced Look at the Right", mocks Fox and its motto for "fair and balanced" reporting.

What chance has Fox's bid to stop publication on the grounds that the book's use of the words "fair" and "balanced" is trademark infringement and unfair competition? All news channels and reporters claim to be fair and balanced, however biased their output. This is an irony Fox knew of, its suit makes clear, when in the mid-1990s it was launched "as a specific alternative to what its founders perceived as a liberal bias in the American Media." Given the common usage of the two words, one might equally, as Mr Franken has noted, trademark the word "funny."

Yet, absurd as it seems, Fox may have a case, says Randy Mastro, a lawyer at Gibson, Dunn & Crutcher. Legally, this is not about two mere adjectives, but protecting a motto built over the past seven years at great cost (Fox says $61m plus thousands of hours of promotion) that is now being expropriated by another for commercial gain. Fox's case is not unprecedented. Spike Lee recently settled litigation with Viacom over its use of the words "Spike TV" for its network.

If the case goes to court, Mr Franken will presumably call Fox's broadcasters liars. Fox's suit notes that Mr Franken is now being described by critics as "unfunny". Ouch. Yet maybe this spat is just mutually beneficial marketing. Mr Franken has gained priceless publicity. Fox has got many liberals to do what seemed impossible: to associate the words "fair and balanced" with its network.

Re:Mirror

[kiwaiti]

98.8% Yes
2.2% No

maybe it would even be 0% No and, er, 101% Yes?

Kiwaiti

Re:I think we speak for all of us:

[infra-red]

Definitely available for the 2.0.x kernels

> uname -r; grep processor /proc/cpuinfo
2.0.39
processor : 0
processor : 1

I suspect alien involvement... because if SMP couldn't be developed in 2.4/2.6 without SCO's code, then obviously some extraordinary event must have taken place.