Novell Nterprise Linux Services Announced 236
eer writes "At BrainShare (Novell's customer/developer conference), Novell customers reacted positively to the news that they would have the choice of running Novellâ(TM)s network services on Linux or NetWare or both. Today the company provided more details by introducing Novell Nterprise Linux Services, which will give customers file, print, messaging, directory and management services in an integrated package that runs on the Red Hat Enterprise Linux and SuSE Linux Enterprise Server distributions--along with providing those customers with comprehensive Novell technical support, training and consulting services for Linux. Partner companies, including IBM, HP, Dell, Red Hat and others, also voiced their support for Novell's Linux."
Re:Legacy users only? (Score:4, Informative)
Re:Anyone use Novell anymore? (Score:5, Informative)
Yeah, people still use it.
Re:Novell Is Smart. (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Novell is coming around (Score:1, Informative)
Quick! Somebody start a sourceforge project. We can call it gnu/ter-prise.
Re:Novell Is Smart. (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Legacy users only? (Score:1, Informative)
SALVAGE SALVAGE SALVAGE (Score:3, Informative)
It's worth the thousands it cost for the licenses when the research dept deletes a days worth of work which hasn't been backed up yet while tidying up their server files.
Try undeleting a file on an NT server which was deleted by a DOS client or a Windows application file browser... ouch painfull.
Those files in the NT recycle bin are only there because the app e.g. Explorer put them there not by the OS.
Re:Novell Is Smart. (Score:5, Informative)
Please (please?) can we stop with the "Novell runs on MS-DOS" business? Propriatary hardware (Sun, IBM, most minis and workstations) have ROM-based bootstrap loaders and monitors built in so that the machine will boot and can be managed/repaired even if the main OS is dead. This doesn't mean that these systems "run" on the bootstrap loader.
Since about Netware 1.1 Novell software has always run on commodity Intel boxes. Commodity boxes don't have bootstrap loaders or monitors. So Novell uses xx-DOS, which is cheap, simple, fits on a floppy, and understood by most sysadmins worldwide, as their bootstrap loader and monitor. After boot, feel free to do a "REMOVE DOS" command and purge all traces of DOS from memory.
Netware DOES NOT "run on MS-DOS". And if you think it does, I really have to question that "+5 Informative".
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Re:Legacy users only? (Score:5, Informative)
Here are a few reasons:
With ZenWorks, you can lock down a users' W2K or XP workstation, deploy/install applications and printers without leaving your desk and remote control their PC if they are having a problem (technical support).
With groupwise, you have all the functionality of any other Enterprise level Email system. With the security of GroupWise, you have less worries with some of the Virus' that can plague many of the MS Email systems.
The Directory Services of Novell is far superiour of any other company's, mostly because it is more mature (going on what... 9, 10 years now?). Novell's eDirectory can handle about a billion objects in the Tree. Maybe more now, I am not sure
Of course, Novell NetWare runs pure IP or a mixed IPX/IP environment if you want. Since 5.0, NetWare has had IP natively.
Re:About time (Score:1, Informative)
Hi,
Rest assured, all that you want is there. With Novell Account Management and eDirectory you really have this "click click click" and that user has the correct access rights across all your servers and workstations.
Using Novell iManager, you have a tool to manage everything that Novell offers you. It is based on SOAP so nothing prevents you from scripting it with Perl::SOAP
Way to go Novell !
Re:People Still Use Novell? (Score:4, Informative)
Does anyone wonder how personal biases get introduced into business decisions? Maybe when people decide to completely disregard all products from a company for no reason other than their ignorance of those products.
Just to prove it, go look at the capabilities of the DirXML product from Novell. Then I can explain how our HR department processes a new hire and DirXML automatically creates the network account, portal account, email account and gives access to all appropriate backend systems seamlessly. And then it keeps everything in sync.
Re:Hooray, Linux for huge networks (Score:5, Informative)
In the NT world, and *nix, you have an account on a machine, you log in to one machine, then maybe connect to others, maybe having permissions there or not, all controlled by the servers you connect to or the NFS mounted shares, whatever.
In the netware world, you authenticate to the network as a whole, with one account, you have different permissions on various network resources (not servers), and through replication this permission set is passed anywhere its needed. Any workstation on the network can authenticate you to the network, because you have an account on the network. If the local server doesn't know about you, it can query around and find your account, and your envirnment is perfectly identical to what you had at 'home' as it were. Properly integrated with the client OS, moving offices is completely painless - this is not the case in NT or *nix setups.
I've not done a huge *nix installation, perhaps there are ways to make *nix do this, but it appears very very server centric, much like NT 4 was.
At one time the only viable solution for a large wan with thousands of users was Netware, and I'd argue that Active directory is still much inferior to it (and slower).
Dont' get me wrong, in that same vast installation, any critical service should be running on some flavor of *nix, because I don't see Novell competing there in the slightest.
When they finally ditched their silly IPX protocol (well or strongly favored TCP/IP) around version 5ish, Novell/*nix networks should have dominated the planet.
I like Linux as much as the next guy, but I use the right tool for the right job, and don't see *nix as being comparable to Netware in some respects (at least before this sort of project), but then again, neither is Netware as good as Linux in others.
Re:Way to go Novell (Score:3, Informative)
Certainly, I can. For the longest period of time, Groupwise has been one of the most obnoxious anonymous spam relays on the Internet. Anyone who was stupid enough to have an Internet-facing Groupwise was essentially running an anonymous spam relay.
I really can't bring myself up to trust anyone with anything concerning E-mail if they seem to be unable to grasp even the simple concept of a Received: header (not even mentioning such an advanced concept as a "closed mail relay").
Re:Way to go Novell (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Novell Is Smart. (Score:3, Informative)
FWIW, NetWare 2.x (I've never seen an earlier version than 2.0a) had its own bootloader. You essentially compiled a static kernel with the disk and network drivers you needed. Bootstrapping NetWare from DOS didn't come until NetWare 3.x.
And, of course, one of the legacies of Novell's purchase of Digital Research is that NetWare now ships with Novell DOS (nee DR-DOS). With NetWare 3.x (and early 4.x I think) you needed to supply you own DOS.
Also, REMOVE DOS is no longer valid with NetWare 5 & 6.
Re:Novell is coming around (Score:2, Informative)
Too bad no one COUGH-BANYAN-COUGH did this earlier COUGH-VINES!
Re:pointless (Score:2, Informative)
Well if we take the directory alone, then:
- Scales to millions and millions of objects
- Supports just about every method of accces, including LDAP, JDBC, ODBC, C, C++, Delphi, Visual Basic, Java, JNDI, SOAP, DSML, RADIUS, HTTP, SSL, XML, PHP, Perl, etc
- Is 100% standards, ie. TRUE LDAP v3 not like AD
- Has builtin, fault-tolerant automatic replication and synchronization
- Runs on Linux, Solaris, AiX, Windows, and possibly HP-UX in the near future
- Can be managed through a Java GUI Admin tool or a -very- cool Web-based portal called iManager
- Integrates with just about anything, including operating systems, databases, applications, HR systems, etc
- Has true inheritance
- Has granular access control
- Is secure
- Supports web services
- Is a mature product in its ninth+ generation
- Used by customers such as the French Tax Authority for 30 million users
- and the Star Alliance which includes Lufthansa and United Airlines for global identity management
- and CNN.com for personalized Ad banners on a huge scale
- is used more than any other directory in the market
- Can manage users, groups, applications, printers, desktops
- Is supported software
In other words, because nothing else comes close. Sure, you can probably think of some alternatives but anyone who does a technical evaluation will tell you this is THE directory to use.Now, do yourself and the company you work for a favor; get familiar with the products and then form an opinion. It's the professional thing to do. The geeky thing to do. The right thing to do.
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Re:Way to go Novell (Score:2, Informative)
if(user@list.org) anyone?