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President Of India Advocates OSS 702

cOdEgUru writes "I am sure this is a first. The President of India has urged Indian IT Professionals to develop and specialise in OSS rather than Windows. To be noted is that he made the speech (look for the "Think Different" section) at the famous Indian Institute of Information Technology (India's foremost academic institution equivalent to MIT). Also he reminisces that his meeting with Mr.Gates were difficult due to differing views concerning OSS and Security. What should be noted about him is that he is not a politician, but a scientist and an independent thinker foremost."
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President Of India Advocates OSS

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  • Re:Great (Score:3, Informative)

    by flokemon ( 578389 ) on Thursday May 29, 2003 @09:23AM (#6066810) Homepage
    It might not be the exact recipe from your local Indian restaurant, but you can find a recipe here [freeuk.com] or here [cdkitchen.com] for instance.

    Has anyone else got difficulties getting used to ./'s new colours?
  • It is I2IT not IIT! (Score:5, Informative)

    by yodha ( 636988 ) on Thursday May 29, 2003 @09:26AM (#6066835)
    The President made the speech at the new International Institute Of Information Technology (I2IT) [isquareit.com] not at IIT.
  • Re:Problems? (Score:1, Informative)

    by jamie ( 78724 ) <jamie@slashdot.org> on Thursday May 29, 2003 @09:30AM (#6066864) Journal
    Yeah. Stuff was broken. Now it's fixed (we believe). We're working on a more permanent and better fix.

    It happens :/

  • Correction! (Score:4, Informative)

    by arvindn ( 542080 ) on Thursday May 29, 2003 @09:32AM (#6066881) Homepage Journal
    To be noted is that he made the speech (look for the "Think Different" section) at the famous Indian Institute of Information Technology (india's foremost academic institution equivalent to MIT). .

    There are two things wrong with that: first, you got the name wrong: he made the speech at the "International Institute of Information Technology". Second, you're probably confusing it with IIT, Indian Institute of Technology, which is the one that fits the description of India's foremost academic institution. Two unrelated universities.

  • by heytal ( 173090 ) <hetal DOT rach AT gmail DOT com> on Thursday May 29, 2003 @09:35AM (#6066914) Homepage
    The most unfortunate thing is that India still seems to believe in proprietary solutions. Further spread of IT which is influencing the daily life of individuals would have a devastating effect on the lives of society due to any small shift in the business practice involving these proprietory solutions. It is precisely for these reasons open source software need to be built which would be cost effective for the entire society. In India, open source code software will have to come and stay in a big way for the benefit of our billion people.
  • by jkrise ( 535370 ) on Thursday May 29, 2003 @09:36AM (#6066924) Journal
    I also remember reading articles today, by a couple of Americans - the outgoing Robert Blackwill, mentioning the imbalance in trade between the US and India - 5 billion vs. 15 billion; and another gentleman suggesting India open it's markets to leading American hitech firms - Boeing and Microsoft! Boeing maybe, but Microsoft?

    Considering SFU was developed entirely in India, as well as the fact that all top 20 IT and commn giants have a direct presence in India, Microsoft would come rather late in th list of hitech firms.
  • Re:In India (Score:5, Informative)

    by heytal ( 173090 ) <hetal DOT rach AT gmail DOT com> on Thursday May 29, 2003 @09:37AM (#6066928) Homepage
    I am from India, and have been reading these things on /. in the recent stories on India. India is not a poor country, where everyone is just trying to break free of poverty. Please.

    There is a sizeable population in India which earns very well and significantly contributes to the Indian economy.
  • IIT, IIIT and I2IT (Score:4, Informative)

    by rmathew ( 3745 ) <rmathew&gmail,com> on Thursday May 29, 2003 @09:40AM (#6066957) Homepage
    To be noted is that he made the speech (look for the "Think Different" section) at the famous Indian Institute of Information Technology (India's foremost academic institution equivalent to MIT).

    RTFA!

    He made the speech at the International Institute of Information Technology (I2IT) not at an Indian Institute of Information Technology (IIIT).

    By no stretch of the imagination are any of these India's foremost academic institutions. The submitter perhaps meant one of the Indian Institute of Technologies (IIT) here...

  • Re:In India (Score:5, Informative)

    by pubjames ( 468013 ) on Thursday May 29, 2003 @09:43AM (#6066992)
    It would be great for a country the population of India to listen and follow their leaders urging, but I seriously doubt in a country where many are trying to break free of poverty that they will work for next to nothing on OSS

    You assume that

    working on OSS == working for nothing.

    Take a look at the kernel development list. You will find that nearly everyone working on the kernel is employed by a big IT company.

    Similarly with most other successful OSS projects. IBM has lots of people working on open source. Ditto RedHat, Suse, HP, Sun, AOL and others. I think it is time we dropped this idea that OSS programmers all do it for free - it isn't the case.
  • Re:Bit Slanted.... (Score:5, Informative)

    by heytal ( 173090 ) <hetal DOT rach AT gmail DOT com> on Thursday May 29, 2003 @09:49AM (#6067036) Homepage
    The Indian President, unlike the American president, is a ceremonial head of the state. All the powers lie in the hands of the Prime Minister (currently Atal Bihari Vajpayee). The president of India need not be a politician, and is not elected by the large electorate. The lawmakers elect the president.

    The Indian President, APJ Abdul Kalam, has received the highest civilian award in India, Bharat Ratna, before he was elected President. He is a nuclear Scientist, who headed India's defense laboratories.
  • Re:In India (Score:5, Informative)

    by ddangerkid ( 188714 ) on Thursday May 29, 2003 @09:54AM (#6067074)
    Note that the article summary incorrectly identifies the venue of the speech as an IIT. The institute that Kalam inaugurated is an IIIT (note the 3 I-s?), or Indian Insititue of Information Technology; these teach people to program, as opposed to the IITs (Indian Institute of Technology) which, among other things, teach computer science. May I point out they have an /excellent/ Aerospace Engineering program? (alumnus pride)
  • Re:true wisdom. (Score:5, Informative)

    by jkrise ( 535370 ) on Thursday May 29, 2003 @09:58AM (#6067121) Journal
    "what Ghandi would say about the president of India having helped design nuclear missiles?"

    Actually, Gandhi believed in the doctrine of Ahimsa, or non-violence. His brand was a bit different from that of the Jesus "Slap-my-left-cheek-and-I'll-show-you-my-right" brand.

    While advocating tolerance to evil, Gandhi also extolled self-defence and defence-preparedness. To sum up, Gandhi would've approved the design of nuclear misiles, but with a rider - to be employed after all other peaceful avenues (Ahimsa - non-violence, satyagraha - The path of Truth) etc. were exhausted.

    With reference to MS, this could have meant - If MS lives and lets Open Source live - no worries. If they adopt an either-you-or-me attitude, then it's time to act positively and decisively.
  • by oxygene2k2 ( 615758 ) on Thursday May 29, 2003 @10:10AM (#6067218)
    File - Properties - Statistics - Update, "Word count"

    what was it that stops writers to adopt OpenOffice?
  • The President of India is a symbolic position [cgpi.org]. The Prime Minister has the real power.

    President Kalam is clearly a brilliant man, no question. So, of course he isn't fooled by Microsoft FUD, and he's a security minded hindu nationalist, so naturally he favors open source, which is more secure, and more independent of US influence.

    Before he was President, he was the chief scientific advisor to the government for many years (decades, I believe.) He's been a major proponent of high tech military Indian Nationalism; he was the candidate [yahoo.com] of the hindu nationalist party, the right wing nuts who won't prosecute people for butchering muslims. He's been a major proponent of nuclear proliferation on the subcontinent, as well; he actually designed the missiles that would deliver an Indian nuke.

    I wouldn't want Oppenheimer to be President, either:

    "Dreams float on an impatient wind, A wind that wants to create a new order. An order of strength and thundering of fire." -- from a poem written by Dr A.P.J. Abdul Kalam

    How charmingly Vedic! The thunder and fire theme is reminiscent to some of history's best known rightist demagogues.

    A little bio of the man, from a supporter. [geocities.com]

    So, okay, he's one of us (one of us! one of us!) On the other hand, so is Ted Kaczynski, and I'm sure he favors Linux, too. These are endorsements I could live without.
  • Re:Microsoft (Score:2, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 29, 2003 @10:33AM (#6067434)
    I know for a fact that this is not a first. At least one other central government backed Open Source initiative has been featured in slashdot:

    Venezuela Goes Open Source [slashdot.org]

    The venezuelan central government (from the president to lower representatives) has pushed for over a year a policy where all software financed by the government must be licensed using a OSI approved Open Source license.
  • Kalam is a MUSLIM ! (Score:2, Informative)

    by xzap ( 453197 ) on Thursday May 29, 2003 @10:33AM (#6067439)
    which, as most people know, is different from HINDU. Hedoesnt belong to the BJP either...though his candidature was forwarded by the BJP. And he is no more for high tech military Indian Nationalism than Bush is for high tech military US Nationalism.

  • Re:true wisdom. (Score:3, Informative)

    by arvindn ( 542080 ) on Thursday May 29, 2003 @10:36AM (#6067472) Homepage Journal
    Dr. Kalam is a vocal advocate of peace. He maintains, however, that the existence of nukes in the subcontinent is one of the things that contributes to that aim, due to its deterrent value. So there's no contradiction here.
  • by nomadicGeek ( 453231 ) on Thursday May 29, 2003 @11:00AM (#6067664)
    Nothing earth shattering here. Free software is a necessity in such a poor country. The cost of Windows XP and a copy of Office XP would wipe out about one third of the average person's annual income.

    From the CIA World Factbook 2002 edition...

    India:
    GDP per capita: $2,540
    Population below poverty line: 25%
    Unemployment rate: 8.8%
    Internet service providers: 43
    Internet users: 7 million

    True that there are over a billion people in India but the vast majority are involved in agriculture, are uneducated, and most likely will never be able to afford a computer. Its not like this is a major blow to MS.

    From a government standpoint, India is much better off using free software and saving money for public health and other more pressing issues.

  • by mritunjai ( 518932 ) on Thursday May 29, 2003 @11:17AM (#6067814) Homepage
    1. Indian president is not elected directly, but indirectly by elected representatives.

    2. Current president Dr. A.P.J. Abdul Kalam is an exception. While previous presidents were just symbolic heads as dictated by constitution, Dr Kalam has actually taken steps to bridge the communication gaps, meeting publically and raising his opinions on matters... to much discomfort of the dirty politicians.

    3. Dr. Kalam meets hundreds of school children daily. His vision is to bring about awareness in current generation and imbibe a scientic vision in them. He encourages them to question the things around them.

    4. Dr. Kalam has been very supportive of humanitarian work. His team developed an ultra-light carbon composite for heat shields of ICBM Agni missile. Working with a doctor, Dr Kalam made available that material for making artificial limbs of physically challanged children. An artifical leg for children which used to weigh 3.5 KG (7 pounds) now weights 300 grams (less than 1 pound). Dr Kalam lists this achievement in his 3 life time achievements above all nuclear and missile stuff !!

    5. He has written two books which are one of its kind. You have to read them to believe them!
  • Re:true wisdom. (Score:3, Informative)

    by hughk ( 248126 ) on Thursday May 29, 2003 @11:28AM (#6067907) Journal
    Actually I would see Pakistan as the greater danger. There are plenty of Pakistanis who are ok but the country hasn't been democratic for more than a few years at a time.

    A combination of a military and religious extremisim in an undemocratic country is not exactly consucive to peace. China is less of a danger now that at least some eonomic reforms have taken place, which give a form of democracy.

    India isn't a particularly agressive country and apart from the expense (when so many remain so poor), I don't have any problems with them being armed, particularly with Pakistan next door.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 29, 2003 @11:35AM (#6067961)
    Excuse me, but can someone explain how the parent post is modded 5 Funny?
    Because "well, it's not rocket science" or "he's no rocket scientist" are well-known phrases meaning "it's not hard at all" and "he's thick" respectively. So when you look for proofs of someone's intelligence, to actually be able to say "he's a rocket scientist" is funny, because it's taking a tired cliche literally and then reversing it. It's like the joke: the "For Dummies..." series released "Neuropathology For Dummies", the only title in the series that couldn't claim "at least it's not brain surgery".
  • Re:true wisdom. (Score:5, Informative)

    by The Cydonian ( 603441 ) on Thursday May 29, 2003 @11:36AM (#6067968) Homepage Journal

    Or more precisely, on Dr Kalam leading the team which made the nuke bomb.:-)

    Two different perspectives on this. Larry Collins and Dominic Lapierre, in their extremely readable book, Freedom at Midnight, had suggested that India's testing of the bomb in 1970's was the final break from Mahatma Gandhi's path of non-violence and ahimsa. Raj Chengappa, in a much later book on Pokhran II, Weapons of Peace, asked the same question to the nuclear team, which, of course, consisted of Dr Kalam. The team apparently had their conscience clear; they were developing nuclear weapons not to increase India's fighting ability, but to increase its deterrent ability. We had, to be sure, "not seeked territory in a thousand years" (or something like that; quoting the words from memory), and that, therefore, Gandhiji would have approved.

    I'm sure the team meant well, and personally, I've always admired Dr Kalam and the other team leader, Dr Chidambaram, but with all due respects, the deterrent ability of India's nukes (and indeed our missiles) have long been answered on the snow-capped peaks of Kargil. They are not going to stop terrorists from killing Indian nationals or attacking Indian installations, establishments and everything we hold dear. Not just that, we must also note that large-scale industries are not discouraged, alchohol is not prohibitted (or even if it was, the prohibition has been lifted), or village-level self-governance is not encouraged.

    I don't know if Gandhiji would have approved, but let's at least be honest here:- India has left Gandhi a long time back, during the days of our first PM, Nehru itself, when we had established factories, dams and other large scale industries that Gandhiji detested so much.

  • Re:In India (Score:3, Informative)

    by be-fan ( 61476 ) on Thursday May 29, 2003 @11:39AM (#6067996)
    He said "sizable population" not "sizable percentage." It's an absolute value. The number of wealthy educated people, even though relatively small percentage-wise, is a large number in absolute terms. Since the original post as was about OSS software development, what matteres is not the percentage, but sheer numbers. Estimates put the size of the Indian middle class at 40-250 million people. That's a very sizable number, comparable to the total population of most European countries. Also, remember that among the Indian middle class, technology is a very common field of study. So the total number of potential OSS contributers in India (which, again, is what this thread is about) is a huge number.
  • by rawdot ( 68408 ) <raw@raw.com> on Thursday May 29, 2003 @12:13PM (#6068244) Homepage

    Time to moderate the moderators, surely!

    As seen on http://slashdot.org/: Have you Meta Moderated [slashdot.org] recently?

  • by rahulnair ( 666914 ) on Thursday May 29, 2003 @12:19PM (#6068280) Homepage
    NASA invited this "politician" to spend 4 months at the the Wallops Island Rocketry Centre and the Langley Research Centre.

    He also has a DMIT in Aeospace Engineering from MIT (Madras) which incidentally has 2 nobel laureates which is more than can be said than for several american school including Georgia tech(Jimmy Carter's prize for peace hardly counts) If you really want to learn about this great man and his career read his autobiography "Wings of fire" [amazon.com]
  • Re:Ahh... (Score:2, Informative)

    by Chakde Phate! ( 622355 ) on Thursday May 29, 2003 @04:08PM (#6070293)
    Or not. Many Indians, particularly those who have been well educated, speak and write better English than 'native' speakers (i.e. British and Americans) if you're talking about spelling and grammar. What Westerners often find it hard to understand is the accent.

    If that's your problem, it's hardly exclusive to Indians; have you ever tried talking to someone from Glasgow?
  • Re:Microsoft (Score:2, Informative)

    by Namaseit ( 668654 ) on Thursday May 29, 2003 @07:07PM (#6071900)
    say what. Ok that makes no sense. Open source has been proven around the world. Its called a developement community. Brazil is already completely on linux. UK is considering. Munich, Germany is putting linux on 14,000 of its workstations and servers. Asia loves linux. Some countries in Africa are using linux systems. Mexico, well hell its where gnome founder Miguel de Icaza is from. Linux is a worldwide developement.

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