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Mandrake 9.0 for AMD 64-bit Technology 181

Posted by timothy from the it-yet-lives dept.
Wister285 writes "Mandrake Linux has released a version of their operating system that is compatible with AMD's 64-bit x86 architecture. This version is based upon Mandrake 9.0. In addition to this, Mandrake announced Corporate Server 2.1 for AMD64 to be released in April 2003 and MandrakeClustering for Opteron in June 2003. Although they say that you can download the operating system now, I cannot find any FTP servers. The press release is located on Mandrake's website."
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Mandrake 9.0 for AMD 64-bit Technology

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  • Why would you say that it's avaliable for download ... and then not actually have it anywhere? Am I missing something?
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  • Interesting, but... (Score:5, Interesting)

    by spookymonster ( 238226 ) on Thursday March 13, 2003 @04:17PM (#5505945)
    Will it be enough to keep them afloat?

    Is anyone really running Mandrake on a business server? I thought their target market was educational users and the desktop...

    • Re:Interesting, but... (Score:5, Interesting)

      by HermanZA ( 633358 ) on Thursday March 13, 2003 @04:25PM (#5506036)
      Mandrake is used on lots of business servers. In a business, time is money, so Mandrake's quick and easy installation is a huge plus point. I'm working at three companies and we use Mandrake everywhere, for servers and engineering work stations.
      • In a business, time is money, so Mandrake's quick and easy installation is a huge plus point.

        Are people at companies with more than a few machines actually still *doing* traditional installs at companies, instead of doing single installs, then duping the drives, or using something like Ghost ? If time is money, then time spent doing an install is a huge waste.
        • Duplicating drives work if all the machines are brand new and identical, but they never are. I have never been in the fortunate position to order a large bunch of identical machines. They may have been identical years ago, but as things break, get repaired and upgraded, you end up with many different machines. So, individual installs is the only practical way to handle it, but with Mandrake, that is very quick and I have on occation installed about 20, very different, machines in one afternoon.
      • I'm working at three companies...

        One of them wouldn't be Mandrakesoft, would it? :-)

    • Re:Interesting, but... (Score:4, Funny)

      by G3ckoG33k ( 647276 ) on Thursday March 13, 2003 @04:35PM (#5506137)
      Since Mandrake is French they probably prefer staying bouyant.
      • As their French I am supprised they are actually *fighting* to stay in buisness, god one would think they would have ran up the white flag along time ago..

        • As their French I am supprised they are actually *fighting* to stay in buisness, god one would think they would have ran up the white flag along time ago..

          Les Français sont des singes de capitulation qui mangent du fromage.

          Odd. My French is pretty rusty, but it seems your French is much better than your English.

          • Well, I reckon he used some translation engine to translate "the French are cheese-eating surrender-monkeys".

            I'd like to know which one...The Babelfish does a bad job on this phrase, giving:
            "les Français fromage-mangent des rendre-singes"

            This brings up an interesting point about Babelfish: you get a better translation if you tweak the English wording to suit the target language.

            "The French are surrender monkeys who eat cheese"
            "Les Français sont des singes de reddition qui mangent du fromag

      • So does that make Mandrake "Freedom Linux"?

    • Afloat? (Score:2, Informative)

      by ackthpt ( 218170 )
      Well, there looks to be no shortage of hardware vendors on board, so they should have a market.

      Motherboards, Blades and even a peek at Win64 at CeBit [theinquirer.net]

    • According to , there are almost 100,000 web servers running Mandrake (look for Apache-AdvancedExtranetServer). [netcraft.com]

      I thought their target market was educational users and the desktop...

      Think again ;-)

    • A lot of business servers actually (Score:4, Interesting)

      by JM ( 18663 ) on Thursday March 13, 2003 @05:31PM (#5506636) Homepage
      [Sorry, I hit Submit instead of Preview]

      According to Netcraft [netcraft.com], there are almost 100,000 web servers running Mandrake (look for Apache-AdvancedExtranetServer).

      I thought their target market was educational users and the desktop...
      Think again ;-)
    • Of course yes! Look at http://www.mandrakebizcases.com [mandrakebizcases.com] - there is an impressive number of companies running Mandrake in their business there.

      I also noticed today this interesting story at DesktopLinux.com - a guy working in a professional sound-production studio, for radio-broadcast, who has switched all the system from Windows to Mandrake Linux 9.0 and Ogg. He noticed that he had all his hardware working perfectly, and also noticed the quality of the MandrakeSoft support answers. This is a very interestin

      • On a related note, Mandrake contribs for current Cooker (and thus for 9.1) has a multimedia-enhanced kernel (low-latency and pre-emptible patches applied to 2.4). One of the major focuses for 9.1 seems to be in audio workstations...

  • Jeopardy style:
    AMD & Linux-Mandrake

    What is: "How do you make a flaming Hammer"? ...or would that be DrakHammer.... or HammerDrak?
  • I'd love to get my hands on some blade servers running Mandrake on AMD64-x86. Testing a web or app server config on this hardware+OS might make them the new winners of the most server bang-for-the-buck contest.

  • x86_64 (Score:5, Informative)

    by jerrytcow ( 66962 ) on Thursday March 13, 2003 @04:23PM (#5506017) Homepage
    I did find what looks like the x86 64 bit version, but it's dated 2/12/2003, so I'm not sure if this it it.
    ftp://ftp.rutgers.edu/pub/mandrake/Mandrake/9 .0/x8 6_64/
    • http://ftp.rutgers.edu/pub/mandrake/Mandrake/9.0/x 86_64/ also.

      This file:
      http://ftp.rutgers.edu/pub/mandrake/Mandrak e/9.0/x 86_64/CHANGES.txt
      lists the last change as Feb. 26, 2003, so it is a *little* bit newer.

      Since I'm at rutgers, I could download this thing really really fast. :-) But... I don't need it, I run debian anyway.
    • I did find what looks like the x86 64 bit version, but it's dated 2/12/2003, so I'm not sure if this it it.


      February 12th 2003. What about it?

  • In all fairness (Score:2, Informative)

    by intermodal ( 534361 )
    the mandrake control center was very handy for my laptop running 802.11b PCMCIA, and the install was very smooth on my ThinkPad. However, in the end, I still ended up switching over to a different distro simply because I wasn't happy with the package management. The defaults were giving me no end of trouble for my perl modules, and overall I felt i could get better performance out of a more customizable (from the outset, such as Core Linux or Gentoo) distro. So while I think they are fine for a great man

    • Re:In all fairness (Score:3, Informative)

      by .milfox ( 75510 )
      apt4rpm ... WHY???

      That's what urpmi / urpmf are for, and of course there's rpmdrake.

      Apt. Feh.
      • simple. because i had some experience with debian and was hoping that it wouldnt suck. it worked great on redhat 7.1 (which i also dumped in the end because I didn't really like the lack of updates on the apt servers once 7.2 came out), I must admit.
        • Mandrake has it's own system, urpm. :P Might want to learn about the specifics of the distro you're using. Works like a charm, once you have your servers set up. Can't complain about a tool native for another system (deb) not working properly on a different distro, after all.

          In truth, if you like apt, use deb. If you like urpmi, use Mandrake.
    • Did you use urpmi to install rpms? It's far better then apt4rpm imo (not saying it's better then apt4dpkg, just apt4rpm).
      • I wasn't familiar with urpmi at the time, and had been itching to try out slack anyway. Ended up landing on Gentoo for its dependency-coverage w/ custom compilation on Portage. I know, I know. A lot of people bitch when people bring up gentoo here on /. these days. but afer finding it, I don't think i can go back unless someone finds a way to make things even better than I have them now.

        • Mandrake may (if I have anything to say about it... I'm going to write the patches myself) get dependency-checked automatic source recompilation (with the ability to use precompiled packages where you don't want to build from source) in 9.2.

    • Why would you install Apt4RPM on Mandrake? Did you even try using URPMI? It's does for Mandrake what APT does for Debian: install packages and dependancies from internet repositories reliably. Once you add a few sources via URPMI.addmedia ..., you pretty much set to go. As long as you use trustworthy sources, package management should be a breeze. I tried APT4RPM on Redhat 8 and was not impressed (although I liked it very much for Debian). Now, rpm itself segfaults on every other install I try, lots o

      • Re:In all fairness (Score:1, Funny)

        by Anonymous Coward
        Thank you for another glaring example of why Linux sucks.

        Pear-shaped linux geek:
        "Why would you use Apt4RPM? You just need AKRN compiled with KRKS with scripting disabled. Either that or use QQKRHJKSIMABIGDUMMY. If that doesn't work, a simple shell script will update your dependencies. Its so simple."

        Windows User:
        "Click on Setup.exe. Now if you will excuse me, I have to go make out with my girlfriend."
        • A true geek's geek can make out with a girlfriend while you each compile a kernel. now that's talent!
        • Yea, using the tools provided with Mandrake and recommeded by Mandrake makes urpmi( which noone would know they are even running ) so difficult and geeky. I just get the scared to death to run Windows Update. Ugghh!! What a complex and goofy appication that is !!!!

          Of course they may have imploved since Windows 98, but I would not know. Mandrake lets me do what I want for right now and Gentoo does not have enough configuration utilities for me right now.
        • A specific reference to the actual system used to manage the install, removal, and maintenance of packages (urpmi), or a vague discription of a black monitor icon you can click that will give you the option to add different programs? /. is supposed to be a tech savvy forum so people just say "urpmi." That has nothing to do with Linux or how user friendly urpmi is. If you tried Mandrake you would be able to install all the packages you ever wanted "WITHOUT" having to know how to even spell "urpmi." It is all
  • Now finally I'll be able to mmap 5GB file into
    memory on my default distro...

  • Is whether the Fritz chip will be on AMD motherboards? If so, Mandrake may be in a corner.

    http://www.notcpa.org/members.html?PHPSESSID=8641e 28acdce91511fd69a42ffdb05a7 http://antitcpa.alsherok.net/phpnuke/html/ http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF -8&q=AMD+%22Fritz+chip%22&btnG=Google+Sear ch

    That means AMD users will be in a corner as well.

  • where's Hammer? (Score:2, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward
    The OS is ready for download? What good does that do anyone when we won't see the processor until at least SEPTEMBER?!

    • I think the Opteron (server chip) comes out in May... it's the Athlon64 that's been pushed back to September

    • Re:where's Hammer? (Score:3, Informative)

      by Brian Stretch ( 5304 )
      Opterons (SledgeHammer) come out in April. Athlon 64's (ClawHammer) have been pushed back to September, likely because AMD wants to be damn sure they have the SOI fab space to meet Opteron demand and because the good ol' Athlon line has been extended further than previously expected (Athlon 3000+, etc).

      It's critical for AMD to clobber the Intel Xeon. Opteron can do that. Without the fat margins from overpriced Xeons, Intel's ability to engage in desktop/mobile CPU price wars without gushing red ink will

  • Popular Distros (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Isldeur ( 125133 ) on Thursday March 13, 2003 @04:59PM (#5506327)
    I have been a long time Mandrake user (for the last 3+ years, I think) but wanted to try the new RedHat 8. So (as I have /home as a separate partition) I wiped the root and reinstalled. I had a comple of immediate gripes with RH8. First of all, both my partitions have always been resier since 2.4.1. The fact that I couldn't (even under the "expert" mode) install a fresh copy to an already-formatted reiser partition I thought was silly. But I was willing to bend a bit and made the root /ext3.

    But I came to find later that the ntfs.o module was no where to be found and I couldn't write (ro) my win2k partiiton. Which was a must. I tried compiling the included source but someone got all these errors just for the ntfs module. Very odd - I've been compiling my own kernels since 1.2.13 and never found these errors before (don't remember what they said now).

    Finally, though my harddisk had DMA successfully enabled, I just couldn't convince RH8 to use DMA on my DVD drive - the absence of which made everything choppy. hdparm just told me that was not possible.

    So I'm back with Mandrake 9.0. Which I'm generally happy with SAVE FOR ONE BIG HEADACHE. I installed the "dev workstation" setup. But I still find I must keep installing -devel.rpm's left and right. O.k., this isn't a real problem, but I've found that these -devel.rpm's and their dependencies are quite equally distributed across ALL 3 DARN CDs!! I normally have to put in 2 of the CDs if not 3 to install any one devel package. This is infuriating!! Why?
    • So I'm back with Mandrake 9.0. Which I'm generally happy with SAVE FOR ONE BIG HEADACHE. I installed the "dev workstation" setup. But I still find I must keep installing -devel.rpm's left and right. O.k., this isn't a real problem, but I've found that these -devel.rpm's and their dependencies are quite equally distributed across ALL 3 DARN CDs!! I normally have to put in 2 of the CDs if not 3 to install any one devel package. This is infuriating!! Why?

      I was annoyed with this too. My solution was to mount

    • Re:Popular Distros (Score:1, Informative)

      by Anonymous Coward
      I was also a little irritated that I had to insert the Mandrake installation CDs every now and then. But here is a solution: copy the CDs on your harddrive ! That is, if you have enough space left :-) I put everything under /root/packages/mdk_install_cds/cd1, cd2, etc. After that, go to rpmdrake, click on "define sources" and modify the sources to point to your folders. In my case, the url for the 1st CD looks like: file://root/packages/mdk_install_cds/cd1and the relative path to the synthesis is ../base/hd
    • I've found that these -devel.rpm's and their dependencies are quite equally distributed across ALL 3 DARN CDs!

      Why not just ftp over to a mirror, mget *-devel*.rpm, then rpm -i *-devel*.rpm ??
    • Setting up DMA is easy. Just make a new /etc/sysconfig/hardiskwhateverletterourDVDdriveis and enter the appropriate hdparm entries. Check /etc/sysconfig/hardidsks for a sample file. DVD works just fine on my Redhat 8 laptop. Let me know here if you need help w/ this. Also, you can download and install an rpm that will give you support in Redhat for NTFS. Check Sourceforge for the Linux NTFS Project I believe.

  • FTP Location (Score:1, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward
    The location is http://www.mandrakelinux.com/en/ftp.php3#iso I'm pretty sure that is the 9.0 i586 release. Try research in the future.
    • Those r all ia32 and the old releases for IA64, Sparc, UltraSparc and Alpha.

      Try research in the future.

      Try reading the hole page :)

  • Wrong dates (Score:1, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward
    opteron == April
    AMD64 == June

  • Hammer... No Ftp... Only one thing left to say... (Score:4, Funny)

    by otterpop378 ( 254386 ) on Thursday March 13, 2003 @05:30PM (#5506622)
    You Can't Touch This.

    im sorry. i had to.
  • I saw the Mandrake logo and was hoping that 9.1 was released... *sigh* just a bit longer.
    • Just wait until I've installed 9.0 and gotten everything sorted out. Then you can bet 9.1 will be out the next week.
    • Just wait until I've installed 9.0 and gotten everything working. 9.1 will come out the week after that.

    • Re:Darn (Score:3, Interesting)

      by leviramsey ( 248057 )

      On Friday, the first 9.1 CDs will be burned by Warly and the gang for internal testing over the weekend. The plan is to release to Club members on Monday. Free ISOs will not be available until after the boxes are in stores.

  • The whole idea behind x86-64 is that it is compatible with the x86 instruction set -- 32-bit processors. I'll assume they just mean that it was compiled/coded specifically FOR a 64-bit platform, since that would be the LOGICAL conclusion. (Since this is /. though, I figured I'd post this anyway.)
    • Well, not really. x86-64 code won't run on an x86-32 machine. But, x86-32 code will run on the new x86-64 athlons/opterons at full-speed.

      It's like the transition from the 286 to the 386. Backward compatible, not forward compatible.
      • Hah, my bad. But, I'm hoping people get the gist.
        • Yea no doubt. I think x86-64 is a good idea. I mean, the x86 technology isn't the fastest, it's no the most effecient, but it works and it's market share is ridiculously large.

          x86-64 ia a logical step. It allows us to be 100% compatible with the hundreds of thousands of software packages that exist today, as well as 64-bit software.

          As technologies progress, and the Mhz keep on getting pumped up, the performance hit by staying compatible becomes less of an issue. Obviously the Athlon64/Opteron is not

  • i just saw a hammer presentation (Score:3, Interesting)

    by t_pet422 ( 613073 ) on Thursday March 13, 2003 @07:04PM (#5507423) Homepage
    I actually just got back from a presentation by AMD here at UIUC [uiuc.edu] (and I won a free t-shirt, too). They oulined the whole hammer architecture and how it's going to be a good thing. By putting the north bridge/memory controller on the CPU die, they're able to cut the DRAM latency by 20% over Athlon! Anyone who's designed computer architectures knows that 20% is HUGE! It only takes 54 clock cycles to complete an instruction cycle, including memory access; if there's a cache hit it was around 30. Actually, the memory read process is started in parallel with the cache hit/miss test and then canceled if there's a hit. Memory bandwidth is also going to get pretty ahead of Intel. AMD is really going to step ahead of Intel with the new hammer architecture. In the future...multiple cores on a single die. That means a single chip, multi-processor system. That'll be huge for the server market! Tech talks are fun!
  • It's obviously more portable than Linux.
  • What does it mean for Madrake to announce "their" OS is compatible with a processor already known to be compatible with the current crop of 32-bit operating systems from x86? Did they just recompile the apps in their distro using a version of GCC capable of compiling code for the new AMD processor? Or did they just install their OS on a system with new the processor and decide to tell the world the good news? This doesn't sound terribly exciting.

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