Japan Subsidizes Linux Development, Considers Switch 248
TheAB writes "Japan is betting 50 million yen ($450k US) that the next-generation of high-tech products and computer networks will rely on open-source software. The money is to develop an 'operating system for consumer electronics goods'."
Defined "betting" (Score:5, Interesting)
This makes it sound like a certain win, but what is this about "betting?"
Tokyo has already budgeted 50 million yen (US$416,000) for next fiscal year to study the possibility of switching government computers to an open-source operating system.
So are they putting that upfront to see if it's worth it, with the $8.3 million conditional? It sounds exciting, but I don't want to hold my breath without clarification.
developers, developers, developers... (Score:5, Interesting)
This kind of thing must be extremely worrying to Microsoft. All up all the developers working for governments around the world, and I bet there are about ten times as many as work for Microsoft. It's probably even more than that if you think about it.
Makes perfect sense. (Score:5, Interesting)
As far as the government computers all they have to worry about is the software that runs on top of the OS, in fact most of the applications they would need access to are already available in one form or another. They can also get around any trouble from Microsoft. Even though they are probably not loosing any sleep over it now.
My Clie will be running Linux soon! (Score:4, Interesting)
I agree this is important--very important. And just MAYBE I can get the same level of Japanese lanugage functionality out of Linux that I do out of Microsoft products.
I hope Japan gets more than it paid for inspiring them and others to invest more into Linux in order to make more things happen.
On another note: Gotta love that RMS who has managed to create a way to keep people and companies from abusing free software. BSD gave the world a pretty decent TCP/IP implementation and Microsoft thanks them heartily. I hope it all remains as OSS and benefits the world -- I really *DO* want world peace.
This should be good news, but... (Score:5, Interesting)
Could the adoption of Linux go too quickly and be too widespread?
I know it seems a bit funny now, as it's still not very useful as a desktop environment and is going head-to-head with arguably better server software, but I think there's a menace lurking beneath the surface: companies may soon get to the point where they -expect- software to be produced for free. It's a bit ironic, I think, that the products of our success at programmers are in the position to undermine our ability to survive in our careers.
Already, programming jobs are being exported to places where they can be done almost for free. I'm starting to wonder if Linux and other open source projects are choking off what remains of our software economy. Is it too farfetched to think that some restrictions need to be put into place to protect workers?
Next-Gen? (Score:5, Interesting)
Ipso facto, GNU/Linux will probably be a big part of the "next-generation" platform, whatever the foosh that actually refers to in practice.
But I guess what is interesting here is that they are broadcasting this "truth" and not, oh for example, signing up on some zany M$ initiative-of-the-week.
Someone actually pointed out in an earlier post (since modded into oblivion I can assume) that Asia pirates all their software so la-de-da. Which misses the point that Asia pirating software was always a good thing for the proprietary products. India is so awash in black market copies of Windows that they are practically addicts now, and still M$ gives them buckets of cash "donations" as soon as someone over there mumbles "Linux rulez" in his sleep.
Re:The Japanese government, not Japan (Score:5, Interesting)
Actually, I think the whole 'complex entity = person" idea is something very human, and applies to all sorts of things beyond foreign countries. Businesses, cultural groups, one's own government, all of them treated like this. Its the human mind's way of dealing I suppose. And to a degree, maybe it even makes sense. The individual human is one of the most complex systems on this planet. Therefore we try to model other complex systems with that model.
worth $450k is it? (Score:2, Interesting)
bad example (Score:2, Interesting)
It's not that they thing they're getting a better deal.
Re:Here's the REAL question (Score:1, Interesting)
Has the GPL ever been tested in a court of law? And what about a potential international court? Couldn't Japan just essentially give the Japanese equilavelant of the middle finger to the FSF? It might be polite (since they really are not as vulgar as most westerners in that sense), but they could still do it.
I would if I was a big, bad corporation. Oh wait, isn't that personifying the corporation, like another poster mentioned?
Re:This should be good news, but... (Score:2, Interesting)
I don't have much to contribute about your other points, but I wanted to point out that a "monopoly" based on a GPL'ed operating system would be a very different thing that a monopoly based on a closed-source operating system, because no one entity would have a monopoly on the code itself.
Microsoft has a huge amount of leverage they can use by being the people who implement de-facto standards, and not disclosing them to their competitors. While Microsoft encourages other vendors to develop for Windows, and to some extent cooperates with hardware vendors in setting standards, it's not a level playing field. If you have an interesting widget you want to sell, and Microsoft doesn't like you, they can just guarantee that your widget doesn't work under windows (or more likely, subtly break things so that your widget doesn't work well). I can't easily figure out what they've done without their cooperation (and depending how they've done it, I might need extremely well-paid lawyers just to feel safe trying).
If a GPL'ed operating system were in the same position of market domination and $linux_vendor tried to prevent my widget working with their OS, and assuming they were complying with the GPL, I could say, "Why would you want to buy a Linux from $linux_vendor, when I'll ship you a Linux for free with my $59.95 widget that is completely compatible with $linux_vendor's version, except that it works with my widget and I've folded in these hundred and fifty bug fixes and it runs a little faster?" (The latter two advantages being just because I was releasing my version a few weeks after $linux_vendor released their version.)
(In theory, the same sort of hidden de-facto-standard torpedo could happen with a fork of a BSD-licensed OS as does with Windows, but I think it would be considerably less likely as long as no one proprietary fork got a huge market advantage.)
Re:Next Generation? (Score:2, Interesting)
There are so many networks more important than 'The Internet' that I can't start to count them.
There are many segments to the IT market. The Internet is actually fairly trivial when it comes down to it. It matters, but it doesn't keep the lights going, it doesn't operate hospital facilitys or power plants. And so on.
Re:Defined "betting" (Score:4, Interesting)
Just my $0.02...
-Mark
You don't know Jap (Score:4, Interesting)
Its a potentially brilliant move by the Japanese government. They get screwed by GATT if they subsidize product manufacture for export. Also, roughly 5-10 year ago, they had a really screwed up computer infrastructure (picture 5 types of PCs but all incompatible to each other) which they probably unified by going Microsoft.
Japanese makes major money from appliances and cars. They know that embedded programming to "smarten" up the products is the future. If the gov't gives the money to the keiretsus to invest in this direction, the US sends their lawyers to bitch that the Japanese manufacturers are "dumping" their Japanese gov't subsidized products.
Instead, they put the money into embedded linux development. It ends up being an infrastructure building investment. The car and appliances manufacturers then pluck the finished development and incorporate it into their products. Furthermore, by having a desktop linux, they end up "unifying" their PC products without the decisions being made in Redmond, USA.
Here's the kicker: their investment may not be poached by foreign competitors. Sure its GPL, and everyone has access to it. But perhaps they hope that Microsoft will supress adoption of Linux throughout the market. The investment is for the taking, but the Microsoft dominated markets can't use it. Its saves the Japanese industry all that software money that would be going to Microsoft for development infrastructure. It also results in cheaper products, because it doesn't have the Microsoft tax for each item. USG can't point to a gov't subsidy to support their claims of "dumping".
Too bad for the Japanese that their government is too corrupt to clean up their banking problem.