#debian & IRC Politics 274
eyez writes "Apparently, the recent decision of OPN(now freenode) to ask for donations has ruffled the feathers of a few debian people. This article on DebianPlanet
talks about the current discussion on the debian mailing lists which talks about the possibility of moving #debian (and #debian*) off of OPN altogether."
#slackware (Score:3, Informative)
Re:If you build it, they will come (Score:5, Informative)
For some better insight as to what was going on at the time, you should read at the very least this page [ecce.co.uk].
See petition here [printf.net].
Read Eterm developer Michael Jennings' thoughts on the matter here [kainx.org].
Re:debian planet took it down (Score:3, Informative)
OSDN Channels Have Moved (Score:3, Informative)
OPN is in a sad state, currently, with lilo constantly soliciting money and/or services from the IRCers. It just all seems rather childish to me.
Re:#slackware -- The Story (Score:2, Informative)
I used to be an operator on #slackware on OPN (freenode) for about 3 months and before that I was a regular in #slackware for about a year. Recently a lot of the ops and members had a falling out with the channel owner (robrock) due to his eradic behavor. He was banning people for no reason, threating to leave and turn the channel over to lilo and just acting childish. Quite a few of use (including 3 ops) have seen this behavior and decieded to move to a new network where we could start over again. So #slackware on oftc.net (open and free technology community) was born, and athough it was allredy registered the current owner was very nice and inviting.
There has been some talk about moving ever since the wallops of lilo begging for money started, the fallout with the owner put it over the top. We now enjoy chatting on oftc.net without either of these burndens
Also, i'd like to note that either of the two #slackware's (opn and oftc are NOT official slackware channels as one doesn not exist but we all try hard to help out people as much as we can.
So now you know the story, and would love to have you all in #slackware on oftc.net (hope to see your there!)
~Nemith
The whole lilo story goes a lot farther back... (Score:4, Informative)
http://www.lilofree.net [lilofree.net]
The OPN exodus started well before this fundraising initiative. It's all documented in the above URL.
Re:If you build it, they will come (Score:2, Informative)
NTK [ntk.net] mentioned this in their usual style in this edition, [ntk.net] third paragraph in the news section.
Re:The mysteries behind OPN/freenode donations (Score:2, Informative)
2 x T1s = ~$3000 - $4000 a month
That's 18000 - 24000 for 6 months.
Lilo is single-handedly destroying that network (Score:2, Informative)
Its because of Lilo.
And he refuses to comprehend this. His spamming is nothing new - hes done it since the network was created and i was a member of several channels. People have been telling him to stop for as long as i can remember, and now, finally, its driving people over the edge and making them leave. And he *still* insists on continuing, since "its his network and he'll do what he wants with it".
I mean, really. You'd think hed get a hint when an entire network [lilofree.org] is created just to get away from him.
I hope the network rots away in front of him so he can truly understand the bullheadedness of his actions. OFTC is just as good without the wallops.
As for #debian... move to OFTC!^_^
Trolling for Dollars - Bully (Score:4, Informative)
Trolling for Dollars [kainx.org]
From July 8th:
The Big Bully [lilofree.net]
[2221 lilo`(lilo@lilo.staff.opn)] you're saying that my asking for voluntary assistance based on my work on the network is abusive?
[2222 msg(lilo`)] I'm saying that your using the network to ask for personal donations which will benefit no one but yourself is an abuse of power. It's also arguable that such use of the network is now illegal given the NPO you formed to oversee the network.
Re:last post from this nick (Score:4, Informative)
Debian, SPI, and OFTC (Score:2, Informative)
#vorbis (Score:2, Informative)
#kernelnewbies (Re:#slackware) (Score:3, Informative)
Of course, we moved to OFTC [oftc.net], which is run very well by a number of ex-OPN staffers. As an added bonus, their ircd has some nice protection against flooders and spammers, so the move to OFTC has technical advantages too...
Anybody who uses OPN... (Score:4, Informative)
What I think the story is (Score:5, Informative)
I fear (and I could be wrong) that Lilo has mixed up his personal goals with his estimation of the importance of the project to the community.
If and when I have grant money to hand out, either my own or that of a corporate sponsor, it will go directly to Free Software authors for production of Free Software, and to efforts to preserve our right to code like EFF.
Thanks
Bruce
Re:Rob Levin's Statement (Score:2, Informative)
Thats were the money is going.
A Petition (Score:3, Informative)
http://void.printf.net/~chris/petition.pl [printf.net]
Re:What I think the story is (Score:3, Informative)
I've long wanted Debian to run its own IRC servers, for instance. I really think it's smart
On OFTC we've talked about what we'll do when we have too many IRC users to manage effectively (given the flat namespace and all)
Despite OFTC being very IRC-centric right now, we do want to offer SourceForge-like services. It's in our
That's where I see many projects using our IRC services; projects that don't yet run ther own FTP/HTTP/SMTP/DNS/etc servers
Just my two cents.
(Disclaimer: my statements are my own, though I am part of OFTC staff.)
Hmm... (Score:1, Informative)
What's not a better opportunity to advertise one's favorite network by starting another anti-OPN war by attacking it when they are fundraising?
P.S. For proof of my statement, check out http://oftc.net/staff
Bring Debian to irc.exiled.net (Score:3, Informative)
Exiled is free and will remain so. It is strugging at the moment to find users and contributer to the coding of services and ircd. Debian (and any other users) is cordially invited to visit and try us out.
Swedchef
admin of seattle.wa.us.exiled.net
Re:#slackware -- The Story (Score:2, Informative)
These people are not to be concerned about. Simply point and laugh at them, then move along.
Re:Hmm... (Score:1, Informative)
Support LILO Aid (Score:1, Informative)
Cheers,
--fred