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OSNews on the LinuxWorld Exhibition Floor 166

Expo writes "OSNews reports on the second day of the LinuxWorld Expo. Highlights of the article is CodeWeaver's CrossOver Photoshop effort and the fact that OpenOffice.org is collaborating with _all_ the other major Linux office suites and word processors towards the creation of a new, open XML-based, file format. NewsForge also has a report."
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OSNews on the LinuxWorld Exhibition Floor

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  • by miffo.swe ( 547642 ) <daniel@hedblom.gmail@com> on Thursday August 15, 2002 @01:52PM (#4078448) Homepage Journal
    Thats more like it! Hopefully they give the olive branch to all Mac and Windows developers too. Not to Microsoft, remember kerberos anyone?


    If GNU/linux/Open Source can be a part in setting the standards instead of just following them it would be awesome. Then linux could be the developers platform that set the industry instead of just playing tag along with windows.


    To get backing for this it needs support from all other than Microsoft to be able to pressure them into supporting it. A web standard for documents would be nice instead of plain txt or vendor locked Microsoft and Adobe format. Adobe has its place too but its not a real standard, and its not free.

  • by Havokmon ( 89874 ) <rick@h[ ]kmon.com ['avo' in gap]> on Thursday August 15, 2002 @01:55PM (#4078467) Homepage Journal
    I really don't understand what the big deal with XML is. The word processor people could just decide on one standard format, XML or no XML. The real inovation is that they would use the same format. XML is really more of way of thinking about things than a specific set of instructions, so I think it is a bit overrated.

    You hit it on the head. XML is a way of thinking.

    Would you rather go to your boss and say, "Let's take a look at replacing MS Office with Open Office. They've started using a standard file format, so multiple vendors applications can read and interact with those files without any issues. This standard is available for Microsoft to implement also."
    OR
    "Let's take a look at replacing MS Office with Open Office. They've started using an XML-compliant file format, so multiple vendors applications can read and interact with those files without any issues. This standard is available for Microsoft to implement also, who is not yet using XML."

    The Boss's brain stops at 'XML', and says "I know that word, everybody is moving in that direction*".

    *all the guys on the golf course are talking about it - so they must already be using it.

  • Greate company (Score:4, Interesting)

    by wilburdg ( 178573 ) on Thursday August 15, 2002 @01:58PM (#4078488)
    I really think CodeWeaver has a great place in the open source community. They are creating proprietary code, but in doing so, they are giving many windows users the option to switch to linux, by making available their favorite apps. Just because they offer a proprietary solutions, doesn't mean they aren't supporting the open source community.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 15, 2002 @02:02PM (#4078525)
    This article appears to be written for those who have attended shows like this, but were unable to attend. It appears to be a pretty good summary of what went on, but leaving out all the geeky details of information that may be hard to convey in just one article.

    Industry standard Microsoft Word? Tell that to my mom who has problems opening up her Word documents from other people who use word. Its not even compatible with itself. This toy OS you speak of is about as industry standard as your are going to get. It is molded for compatibility around a 30 year old operating system. Try that with Windows, that kept breaking programs through each release, from Windows 286, 3.0, 3.11, 95, 98, NT, 2000, XP. Old unix programs never die, they just run on newer hardware.
  • by paladin_tom ( 533027 ) on Thursday August 15, 2002 @02:10PM (#4078621) Homepage

    You don't consider them running their free online mail service [hotmail.com] on FreeBSD for years "taking *nix seriously"? ;-)

  • Re:New format? (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Soko ( 17987 ) on Thursday August 15, 2002 @02:50PM (#4078955) Homepage
    Said the AC:
    Yes,
    First you discuss,
    Then you form a standards group,
    then you make the standard.


    Other than being "Captain Obvious", the AC is correct. You need to get all of the cats into the same corral before you can herd them along.

    At least they're attacking the root problem - a useable, patent free, open standard document format, rather than a de facto standard format that's closed, proprietary and difficult to reverse engineer.

    Soko
  • by jonadab ( 583620 ) on Thursday August 15, 2002 @05:19PM (#4079302) Homepage Journal
    > CMYK is a color model [...]

    CMYK is a color model that only works on absorption media
    (such as pigment on paper). On a luminous medium (such
    as a CRT), things fundamentally don't (and can't) work that
    way. As good as Photoshop is, speaking of its having "support
    for CMYK" is marketroidese. All this means is that it can
    convert from RGB formats (which *must* be used on your CRT
    computer screen) to formats intended for printing. The
    conversion is necessarily lossy, because ink on paper cannot
    represent all of the same colours that the computer screen
    can (and vice versa). Unless you're using phosphorescent
    paint and viewing it under a blacklight, or some trick along
    those lines, you can't represent the brightness of the sky
    (for example) on paper. Similarly, your CRT can never show
    a truly _flat_ (as in nonglossy, nonluminous) color.

    You can throw buzzwords like "CMYK" at this all day long, but
    an image will NEVER look the same on paper (no, not even on
    glossy paper, although that's closer) as it does on a CRT
    monitor, and that's a problem Photoshop can't solve.

    LCDs (at their current level of tech) are even worse, because
    they show colors inconsistently. Perhaps some future technology
    will allow computers to display both luminous and flat colors on
    the same display...

    While we're on the subject of Photoshop, I agree that Photoshop
    on Linux is a good thing. Photoshop is very entrenched in the
    publishing community, and for good reason; it's quality stuff.
    It also has a pricetag to match, so I surely hope Gimp continues
    to develop (as it has been doing great so far), for those of us
    with less expansive budgets. Photoshop may be (and probably is)
    better, but my take on the matter is that Gimp is _comparable_,
    which is a tremendous achievement. (I have a friend who does
    graphics work for a living; he works at Eisenbraun's, a publisher
    specialising particularly in ancient near-east stuff. He works
    with Photoshop a lot. He'd been trying out Gimp, and was in
    some ways (not all ways, but some) impressed with it, and had
    noted that it had some really nice features Photoshop 6 did not
    have. (He didn't specify which features.) Then he got the new
    Photoshop, and they had it, he said, "in spades"). That says
    to me that the two programs are in roughly the same league, a
    huge accomplishment. But people who already know Photoshop and
    have the budget for it will want to stick with it, rather than
    learn Gimp which, although it's free, is not substantially
    _better_ than Photoshop (at least, not at this time), surely
    not better enough to justify a non-programmer to switch.

    To me, Photoshop on Linux is a great thing, because it's
    cross-platform technology, one more step toward separating
    the decision of what OS to use from the decision of what
    other software to use -- and THAT is a VERY good thing.

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