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Two Lackluster Reviews For LindowsOS on Wal-Mart PCs 382

Eugenia writes: "Two individual reviews of LindowsOS running on the MicroTel/Wal-Mart hardware were published today. The first can be found over at NewsForge and the other one at BayArea.com. Both reviews are not positive for the Lindows solution and they are not excited about the idea of Click-n-Run."
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Two Lackluster Reviews For LindowsOS on Wal-Mart PCs

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  • Time (Score:4, Interesting)

    by Mr_Silver ( 213637 ) on Thursday July 04, 2002 @09:01AM (#3821550)
    LindowsOS, at least in its present form, represents false economy. Any money you save buying a LindowsOS computer and downloading Click-N-Run software will be canceled out by the time spent coping with the many missing pieces.

    That reminds me of someone who said (JWZ?) " Linux is only free if your time is worth nothing ". Despite all the commendable advances, personally I'll keep it as a damn fine server and stick with Windows for my desktop.

    Next year though ... things might be very different ...

  • by Eythian ( 552130 ) <robin@kallisti.ne t . nz> on Thursday July 04, 2002 @09:21AM (#3821602) Homepage

    Personally, I don't see the need for dumbed down versions of Linux such as Lindows. I have been using Mandrake since 7.2, and have found the latest version (8.2) more than sufficient for me, as a compulsive command-line user, and when I was last down home I installed it on my parents Celery 400, where it runs better than Win98 did (with the exception of longer startup time). To do this, and teach them how to use it, I had to learn the GUI tools for things. I then discovered that these were much more capable than they used to be. The only exposure my parents have ever had to have to the command line is that breif period after the graphic bootup screen goes away, before X has fully started. They are now happily using konqueror, kmail, and all the games that come with Linux, without problems. Every so often I sent them an email such as 'A new security release has come out. Use MandrakeUpdate.', and thats it.

    Its definatly time for Linux on the non-geek desktop, and real Linux at that (none of the logged in as root business). The only thing they didn't do was the actual installation, however I am going to be doing the same conversion to my g/fs computer soon, and will let her do the install so I can see how easy it is for someone not familar with anything beyond powerpoint.

    It is also important to keep in mind that there is software to do almost anything that you require avaliable for Linux if you are a casual user. It may yet be missing important applications, those that are more niche products, but all the things a typical user needs are there, such as many variations of solitaire :)

  • no-win (Score:1, Interesting)

    by Jondor ( 55589 ) <gerhard.frappe@xs4all@nl> on Thursday July 04, 2002 @09:30AM (#3821629) Homepage
    What I feel is unfortunate is that I see the whole userexperience thing in walmart as a no-win situation due to the simple fact that the use runs as root.
    If sales fail it's: Linux isn't ready for the desktop. See, see... I told ya..

    If it doesn't and it becomes an overnight success the world ends up with a whole lot of linux machines which are as unsafe as windows machines.
    Next step: a virus/trojan and woosh, there goes the public idea that unix is a more safe and virus resistent environment.

    Of course, the details as that unix is usualy per default a lot more secure than a comparible windows machine get lost.

    Oh well, let's hope I'm just in a dark mood..

  • by Neil Watson ( 60859 ) on Thursday July 04, 2002 @09:49AM (#3821684) Homepage
    Lindows

    Cons

    • Steep initial learning curve
    • Not as pretty
    • Not as much mainstream game support
    Pros
    • Cheap price for support, software and upgrades
    • You get a full office suite
    • Less instability
    • More secure (less virii)
    • Fewer crashes
    • Good crash recover
    • Better performance

    Windows (XP)

    Cons

    • High Price
    • No office suite
    • Poor security (many virii)
    • More instability
    • Poor crash recovery (registry becomes more unstable over time)
    • Requires more RAM.
    Pros
    • Familiar UI
    • Easy to configure
    • Mainstream games supported

    There it is. Tell your friends and let them decide.

  • Re:Time (Score:2, Interesting)

    by Myopic ( 18616 ) on Thursday July 04, 2002 @09:49AM (#3821688)
    i agree. as it is, i have a years-old macintosh (original iMac) and i'm treading water waiting for Linux to become Good Enough for me. i had Linux installed on my iMac for a while but found it not-quite-usable enough to make it worthwhile -- it's not that i don't understand how a computer works (writing software is, in fact, my profession), it's that i don't know by heart the 150 little utilities, scripts, and commands to frob the tiny little details of the system, and couldn't convince myself to read any of the 1,000 page Linux tomes.

    i was heartened recently with the new releases of Mozilla and Gnome and OpenOffice. i'm waiting for those three pieces of software to make it into the distros and i'll be ready to buy a cheap PC and run only Linux (i don't and never have done Windows). i'm long past having developed a hatred for MacOS (for crashes alone; i think it's still the most usable OS).

    one really great thing about Linux is how absolutely sure i am that it and other Free software will "win". already, Free alternatives are just about as good as their commercial counterparts. already they are more stable and secure, and our community is watching as one after another popular title becomes super-user-friendly, too. it's folly to think that people will keep paying for software when free software is better. free operating systems, browsers, office suites, chat clients, file browsers, peer-to-peer software, mp3 players, and graphics programs WILL win market share in the end simply because they are Good and Free.

    plus, what about the next company which decides it wants to write it wants to release it's own web browser? you think they'll reinvent the wheel instead of using Mozilla? why would they do that? so they don't have to comply with the GPL? no way. with software so complex, companies will wisely choose to build on the already-Free options then bit the bullet and release their modifications back to the community.

    i really really believe that the momentum is absolutely impossible to stop. the future of consumer software will not be like the past. the reason is simple economics.
  • Re:Jumping frogs (Score:2, Interesting)

    by Platinum Dragon ( 34829 ) on Thursday July 04, 2002 @11:03AM (#3822039) Journal
    Lindows is charging for access to the Debian archive and they aren't even running their own mirror.

    And I bet the company selling Lindows and this access isn't giving a cent to the organization that's providing the bandwidth and hardware. I sense some interesting e-mails going back and forth between Debian maintainers and Lindows reps in the near future.
  • by GigsVT ( 208848 ) on Thursday July 04, 2002 @11:10AM (#3822078) Journal
    I'm not sure how they set it up, but they only have to release source to the people they distribute the binaries to, and they are allowed to charge a fee for either or both. The source fee must be reasonable to cover costs of distribution and not be for profit, however, and it sounds like this may not be the case.
  • Reviews (Score:4, Interesting)

    by Restil ( 31903 ) on Thursday July 04, 2002 @11:28AM (#3822181) Homepage
    Ok, we have a few people that have looked beyond the simple hype and pointed out some of the shortcomings of Walmart's new experiement into Microsoft free computers. This is not all a bad thing. But don't be too hasty to count them out as a viable alternative.

    Walmart has shown on at least one occasion that they listen to their primary consumer base, when they replaced the modems in their OS-free machine with a linux compatible one. They realize this is at best a nitch market, and they have to be sure to appeal that market as best they can. So they've made a few snafu's with this latest experiment, but at least they're trying. Tell them what's wrong. They'll probably make the effort to fix it.

    At least now, there's an alternative. It might not be the greatest thing since sliced bread, but its something. And the company that's promoting it doesn't rely on a monthly infusion of venture capital to keep running and will surive if the stock market does another massive downturn. They will sell these products as long as people buy them. Sure, at first it'll be the geek crowd that doesn't really NEED them, but at some point, there will be someone that looks at the price and realizes that its worth the learning curve to save a few bucks. And they may very well be disappointed.

    But they might not.

    -Restil
  • by Tune ( 17738 ) on Friday July 05, 2002 @04:17AM (#3826117)
    ... This year or next year.

    - First, most people do not but Microsofware, they buy computers with Microsoftware preinstalled. Even for geeks it's getting harder to buy a PC without all that junk.
    - Second, Microsoft has improved the stability of its product, over the last years. Although at much slower than I'd consider acceptible, they are getting there. Therefore I think it's unlikely anything internet related is going to bring their market share down.

    IMHO two other things can: computer sales and stock markets. Roughly speaking Microsoft gains a percentage of the global PC sales market and is thus almost directly linked to the number of computers sold. Note however, that this number doesn't influence market share, so Linux doesn't gain anything from economic slowdown.

    Stock markets are always unpredictible as proven recently by Enron, Worldcom and the likes. Microsoft has quite succesfully denied abusing their monopoly until now, and will probably be as succesful in misleading the SEC when they have to.

    But what I'm getting at is that M$ can only be hit where it hurts. As long as their $40 billion stays with marketing they remain virtually untouchable - and so is their market share. Until that changes, we can do little more than duck-and-cover. And I'm not at all optimistic about Microsoft's plans on "security".

    Tune
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