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Walmart Ships PCs with Lindows OS 962

Tonetheman writes "Walmart is now shipping low cost PC's with Lindows pre-installed. And yes I know there was a review earlier on Slashdot about installing Linux on one of these bad boys. This is different and much more exciting. To think of the legions of rednecks who could now possibly be running Lindows instead of Windows..." There's a Newsforge story too. Hopefully Lindows makes a good impression.
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Walmart Ships PCs with Lindows OS

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  • by Idaho ( 12907 ) on Friday June 14, 2002 @11:42AM (#3701440)
    Maybe I missed something...but last time I checked Lindows was still in beta stage, and with good reason too!

    From my experience, they might be combining MS-like stability and security (running everything as root etc.) with Linux-like usability*, resulting in a horribly unusable OS - for which Linux will most probably get the blame by mainstream reporters. Ah well, we'll see.

    Walmarts idea is probably something like this: they can save money on the computers this way, and they probably don't really care about what their customers use it for (do they have a reason to? Do they have to offer support etc.?), so that would explain things....

    * usability for Joe Avg. User, e.g. consistent GUI's and stuff, you know what I mean...combining Wine and KDE and X will not get you a very consistent UI experience probably....
  • by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 14, 2002 @11:44AM (#3701455)
    Actually, Linux tends to run really well on cheap shitty hardware. Hell, I've had a motherboard which would not run windows setup no matter what (no kidding - kept crashing with a random error, problem went away with mobo replaced). Linux ran rock-solid on the thing. If it's supported, it will be way more solid than any windows version (including win2k, nt, xp, whatever - those crash only a little less often than 9x).
  • Impression? (Score:5, Informative)

    by Mr_Silver ( 213637 ) on Friday June 14, 2002 @11:46AM (#3701481)
    Hopefully Lindows makes a good impression.

    Of course it will. They'll think it's fantastic, right up to the point when they try to install their favourite Windows applications and it all goes horribly wrong.

    Then they'll mutter "crock of shit" and take it back to Walmart to complain.

    Not that I blame them, Walmart is advertising it as having the ability to run most Microsoft software, which (unless it's changed drastically) isn't quite the case.

    I'm all for getting Linux to the masses, but if they oversell what it can do, then they'll end up putting off people rather than attracting them.

  • by BigBir3d ( 454486 ) on Friday June 14, 2002 @12:06PM (#3701698) Journal
    You mean like running [lindows.com] IE or Office or something?
  • The site quite clearly at the top in the first paragraph says it does *not* come with Windows.
    Microtel PCs with Lindows OS These computers do not ship with Microsoft Windows. They ship with an exciting new UNIX based Operating System (OS) named Lindows. This exciting new OS delivers the stability of UNIX with the ease of Windows and the ability to run most Microsoft programs. These computer systems are a perfect low cost alternative to computers preloaded with Microsoft Windows.
  • by El Prebso ( 135671 ) on Friday June 14, 2002 @12:19PM (#3701835) Homepage
    I think the EULA for Internet Explorer stats that you need a valid Windows licens.

    Sure you can run it without but that would violate the EULA, and that is actually illegal.
    Just because you don't like Microsoft, it doesn't make it okay to break the law.
    So who is going to make sure that Lindows users don't install IE ?

    From the IE EULA

    1. GRANT OF LICENSE. The SOFTWARE PRODUCT is licensed as follows:

    * Installation and Use. Microsoft grants you the right to install and use copies of the SOFTWARE PRODUCT on your computers running validly licensed copies of the operating system for which the SOFTWARE PRODUCT was designed [e.g., Windows(r) 95; Windows NT(r), Windows 3.x, Macintosh, etc.].


    (Okay this is from IE 4.0, but I don't think they changed it alot).

    Now I don't think that IE is designed for Lindows. Well perhaps no one will think of the idea of installing IE, let's hope so.
  • Terminology (Score:1, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 14, 2002 @12:19PM (#3701837)
    Redneck" == big laff
    "Darkie" == seething racist comment

    Whites = ~700 mil of earth's population
    "Minorities" = ~4 billion

    Republicans sell us out for cheap labor
    Democrats sell us out for cheap votes

    Thank yourselves and your parents for the world your children will grow up in (assuming you even have children, which --if you're white-- you probably wont [census.gov])

    "We're all of the Ganges now" J. Raspail

  • by nvts ( 551111 ) on Friday June 14, 2002 @12:21PM (#3701861)
    they carve out a section of the actual stores and attempt to sell them. Remember this is just their online store. The online store sells MANY MANY more items than the real stores sell.


    This will be big news when the redneck can actually walk into a Walmart and see the Lindows computer on the shelf and put it in their cart.

  • Re:Odd... (Score:1, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 14, 2002 @12:23PM (#3701876)
    I'm driving to Walmart today to see if I can check one of these 'puters out.

    Don't bother. These are only sold via the website.

  • Re:OS X (Score:4, Informative)

    by pmz ( 462998 ) on Friday June 14, 2002 @12:42PM (#3702052) Homepage
    The difference: Wal-mart is selling their computers for $299 and up. $299! In this way, Wal-mart is not competing with Apple at all, since a person considering a really inexpensive PC will most likely not be considering a $3000 Apple workstation.
  • Re:OS X (Score:1, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 14, 2002 @12:50PM (#3702127)
    "...why is it the average up time at my site on nt/2k servers is 2 weeks, and on the unix boxen its 8 months?"


    Probably because you are a fucking clueless moron. If you learned how to properly administer Windows 2000 like you did Linux then you would see similar uptimes. I've run Windows 2000 IIS websevers which would have had uptimes of 2 plus years were it not for service patches and hotfixes. That's stable. You seem to confuse installing updates and hotfixes with stability.
  • by Mr.Sharpy ( 472377 ) on Friday June 14, 2002 @01:09PM (#3702296)
    Wal-Mart is an evil corporation. Those dirt cheap prices you pay have a price elsewhere. There is an excellent story about Wal-mart on Alternet.
    How Wal-Mart is Remaking our World [alternet.org]
  • by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 14, 2002 @01:58PM (#3702720)
    First off, I work in the shipping and recieving department for Walmart's online venture. This has been a somewhat storied start here in the company, let me tell you (my best friend is in the marketing department and does product testing and write ups as well as consults on all things that are considered electronic). The decision to go forward with this boiled down to a phone call between the Marketing and Product Aquisition director and the CEO.
    Apparently the entire department from the top down was against selling the computers with an OS at all, especially the admitedly difficult to use and limited Lindows linux. Our return rate on pc's sold online has been relatively low, with about a 1 in 42 return rate (that's good in comparison to other stores in fact). Several post sales enquiries and surveys revealed (of course, you know this can be skewed anyway you want them to) that most people were installing MS products and were absolute novices with their only computer experience steming from either college or work. About 3% were installing OSs other than windows based on our numbers generated internally and we had about a 48% response vector from all parties quiried (not a bad response either).

    We are cringing... while it's not a bad os, most people just won't get it and we expect (in fact project into our return merch budget) a 1 in 5 ration on those systems shipping with Lindows to novice users and an overall return rate hike to 1 in 27 machines.

  • by jonadab ( 583620 ) on Friday June 14, 2002 @02:45PM (#3703133) Homepage Journal
    > About the crack about rednecks buying Lindows...what do you think
    > the average demographic of a Wally world online customer is? I'm
    > willing to bet it's not ma and pa kettle in podunk Arkansas.

    College students and suburbanites mostly, I think...

    But the point of the original redneck remark was that people
    who buy computers at Wall-Mart are not tech-savvy users, and
    that's true, as a general rule. Tech-savvy users buy their
    computers from small shops that build them, or they build
    them themselves, or they shop around. In any case they
    usually don't buy the true bargain-basement stuff, because
    they're planning to upgrade components as necessary and keep
    the thing running for several years, or if not it's because
    they can afford a new (nice) computer every year or so.
    These are power users.

    People who buy computers at Wall-Mart are end users.

    These are overgeneralisations, of course, but in general
    they are mostly true. Redneck is not the word I would
    have chosen, but the point made is valid. Think about
    droves of people buying these things who previously
    were not aware that Apple computers don't use Windows
    and had never heard of Linux, much less anything more
    obscure than that, and have no idea that Windows XP
    is based on NT ("huh?") rather than the consumer Windows
    line. Whether that makes them rednecks or just regular
    people in some field other than IT, the point is that
    they're not computer geeks. They're end users.

    End user awareness that there are various operating
    systems to choose from is a good thing.
  • by GuNgA-DiN ( 17556 ) on Friday June 14, 2002 @02:57PM (#3703243)
    I have been running their latest version of "Sneak Preview X" and all I can say is that this OS is full of bugs and holes! It is based on Debian and Wine. But, there are tons of problems with video, networking, and hardware. The only Windows programs that I have gotten to successfully run is Word and Excel. No other Windows software will even install. (Even though Lindows claims that you can run tons of programmes!). They have been telling the Insiders all along that this product isn't even beta yet (it is just in the "Sneak Preview" phase). Yet, here they turn around and start selling copies to "Cletus the Slack-Jawed Yokel [about.com]" at Walmart. This is going to be a complete and utter failure for Lindows. And unfortunately, this will be the first impression that many of these people will have of Linux. This may sour them completely.
  • by simpl3x ( 238301 ) on Friday June 14, 2002 @03:24PM (#3703443)
    (http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/10.07/Myth.htm l)

    and here is a nice little quote: "Consider a tale of two companies. Wal-Mart is among the most efficient corporations in the world today. In fact, a late-2001 McKinsey Global Institute study of the boom found that "Wal-Mart directly and indirectly caused the bulk of the productivity acceleration" in its category. How? Information technology, for the most part. Wal-Mart uses IT to help it store and transport goods more efficiently. (You'll never find a half-full pallet in a Wal-Mart.) It relies on forecasting tools to ensure that there are never too few or too many employees on the floor at any one time. It encourages suppliers to stock the stores themselves, using an elaborate data interchange system to make sure suppliers know when inventories are running low. And it takes advantage of economies of scale by building stores in a hub-and-spoke pattern around giant distribution centers. As a result, Wal-Mart has become one of the largest companies in the world while earning returns on capital that are the envy of its peers. By contrast, its competitor Kmart has been plagued with stock-outs and is hooked on sales and markdowns."
  • Re:openoffice? (Score:2, Informative)

    by dontkillme ( 577915 ) on Friday June 14, 2002 @03:27PM (#3703459)
    Lindows is just repackaged debian with a nice front end to apt-get. From what I hear they're making OpenOffice available on their click-n-run warehouse in the near future, but the standard linux version of OpenOffice from openoffice.org runs fine.
  • by leighklotz ( 192300 ) on Friday June 14, 2002 @05:37PM (#3704154) Homepage
  • Business Model? (Score:2, Informative)

    by verbs_an_action_word ( 585616 ) on Friday June 14, 2002 @09:05PM (#3705327)
    http://www.lindows.com/lindows_products_categories . hp Looks like they are planning to make a profit by subscription service. "All products free to Click-N-Run Wharehouse Members" Most new users to linux won't bother learning the traditional "configure-make-install" routine and I think the plan to take advantage of this.
  • Lindows runs AOL 7 (Score:2, Informative)

    by nutznboltz ( 473437 ) on Friday June 14, 2002 @11:19PM (#3705928) Homepage Journal
    According to an artcle on NewsForge [newsforge.com] AOL runs on Wine 2.0.

    Here is a screen shot with an AOL icon [lindows.com]

    Running AOL wins most of the user acceptance battle.

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