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Anthony Boyd writes: "At pclinuxonline.com, they are running an uncomfirmed story that Mandrake 8.2 will be released on March 18th. And of course, SuSE Linux 8.0 is going to be released in mid-April. Features for SuSE appear to include KDE 3.0 and a whole lot of games. Features for Mandrake appear to be a super small install and, well, stability. Sounds great to me."
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  • I guess I will have to give mandrake another try.. last time I tried a kernel upgrade it didn't like me too much, although I think that was more my fault than theirs... Well, good thing I don't actually keep stuff that I use long term only on one partition, since the new versions come out in two days, although with their current financial situation, I think I will buy 8.2 instead of my usual download
  • Mandrake 8.2 (Score:1, Informative)

    by mauryisland (130029)
    Several folks where I work have been testing the Mandrake 8.2 beta releases, and they're uniformly reporting that things are much better than 8.1 release. Personally, I'd rather buy a Mandrake box than go the donation route, but either way, you should be getting great value for your money.


    • Buying the box means mandrake makes less money
      if all you want is a free manual and a nice looking box, maybe you can find a printer
      • In the near-term, yes. But if the distributors
        don't see demand for the boxes, they won't put
        them on the shelves. If they aren't on the shelves,
        Mandrake loses potential new customers.

        On the other hand, if retail sales aren't doing the
        trick now, why should they ever? If they can't
        we're all better off with a pledge-drive model just
        like PBS.
    • I don't have a credit card and I don't have a CD burner so I just buy from WalMart. Its actually conveniant that way. I get quality Free Software for like twenty bucks. Otherwise I would probably waste that money on five milk shakes in the course of a week.

      Does it help Mandrake? I don't know what their situation is. I buy software because I like it.

      Strange idea, isn't it?
  • Kinda offtopic, but I'm wondering if anyone has any links to some nice games for Linux. I've been playing LBreakout2 [sf.net] non-stop, but other than that (and of course Q2), I've yet to find any nice games that I like.

    This isn't a troll or anything, I'm genuinely wondering if anyone has suggestions.
    • try one of the candidates from no starch press sdl game development contest [nostarch.com]
    • by antdude (79039)
      Ricky, have you checked these two Web sites yet?

      Linux Games [linuxgames.com]
      The Linux Game Tone [happypenguin.org]

    • A couple of my favorites are http://gltron.sourceforge.net/ The author of gltron is a really nice guy.. he even implemented a feature that I asked for over IRC. and ClanBomber, which has motivated me to try to create my own Bomberman implementation. http://www.happypenguin.org/show?ClanBomber
    • by JPriest (547211) on Sunday March 17, 2002 @04:31AM (#3176225) Homepage
      Mandrake has a Gaming Edition [mandrakesoft.com] for about 70$ + S&H that comes with the sims and a 90 day subscribtion to Transgaming [transgaming.com] I'd buy it but I'm waiting on 8.2. There is also a version of Counter Strike [counter-strike.net] ported to linux.
      • From your link:

        Description: This is the full v1.3 linux port. Only linux server admins need download it. Please note that in order to use this file correctly you must first have the latest Half-Life HLDS Linux Port as a base.

        This is the dedicated server program so that you can host games. Many games offer the server side software to Linux, but few are available for client so that you can actually play the game.
      • I'm also waiting on 8.2. Strangely, I wanted to buy a 'club' membership as well as preorder 8.2, but they don't take pre-orders.
        And I'm not going to buy a fourth copy of 8.1 (one x86 for the office, one for me, and a ppc one for me too)

        I emailed them about it, and it went down the bit bucket... So... I didn't order anything after all.
      • CS is about the only digital addition that keeps me booting into Windows. Its worth noting that the CS link is for the Server, not the Client, which beats the snot off of the Windows version (especially since they neutered the TCP/IP stack again with SP2).

        I would love to see a Linux client.
      • Two things have given me the push to nuke Win2k and install 8.2 when it comes out. First is Crossover plugin which lets me read Word documents and run Windows Media Player. The second is my friend has installed Counter-Strike directly onto ext2 and has it running full speed under WINE. Here is how it is done [demon.co.uk].

        Phillip.
    • Xkobo is a funny game. It is included in most distributions, at least Mandrake and Debian.
      Around level 30 I have to use -cheat mode though, to be able to get any further.
    • I'm wondering if anyone has any links to some nice games for Linux.

      The one I'm enjoying right now is called Adonthell [happypenguin.org] (which is actually just the engine, the "episode" I'm playing is called Waste's Edge). What's nice is that the game is in the tradition of Zelda, FF, and such -- RPG, kinda -- but not so lengthy. Supposedly Waste's Edge can be finished in a night, although it'll take me 4 or 5, cause I'm slow.

    • I'm wondering if anyone has any links to some nice games for Linux.

      Frozen-bubble was written by Guillaume Cottenceau (spelling of that is almost certainly wrong), one of the Mandrake developers, and is surprisingly addictive. It's kind of like Snood, if you've played that.
    • Have you tried NetHack? It's a little bit retro, but you might still like it. It's based on Dungeons & Dragons, and you play an adventurer in search of fame and treasure the time-honored dungeon hack.

      Recent versions of NetHack also include tiles, psuedo-3D graphics, QT widgets, etc. I don't like them as much as the classic interface, which is displayed on your screen as an 80x24 maze in ASCII graphics. Once you become used to the ASCII interface, it really does give you more information than any other interface.

      Diablo and Diablo II are real-time, graphical rip-offs of NetHack. Don't get me wrong - I loved both Diablo games - but there is no way for Blizzard to deny that they ripped off NetHack for 90% of their ideas.
  • Im getting my new p4 system ready, i just trow to the trash my winmodem and got a new shiny one (56k crap anyway :\), so im ready to take off... It will be nice to start with new Mandrake and KDE3.

    By the way, you are the experts, whats your experience with nvidia video cards on linux?, i have a geforce3.
    • Re:Ready... go (Score:2, Informative)

      by mauryisland (130029)
      I've had no trouble at all with Nvidia cards, though don't use them if you're only intrested in open source drivers.

      I always download the source rpm's (I'm running a Redhat 7.2 box with a nonstandard Redhat kernel), run the command 'rpm --rebuild NVIDIA*.rpm' against them, and then install the new rpm's in the usual manner. They work great, but I don't a Windows box to compare them with.

    • My Geforce II titanium works great with the NVIDIA drivers. I don't care what the zealots think. They're closed source and they work great.
    • I have problem with GeForce 2 with View Sonic LCD monitor (connected with DVI input). Installed Mandrake 8.0, it even listed my monitor in settings. But it obviusly could not sync to my monitor. I did not even think DVI can have sync problem, after all it is DIGITAL! NVidia drivers did not help either. After spending a day I fixed this by removing XConfig-4, and tweaking old config file. Tried installing Mandrake 8.1 later - still not good.
      So now I type this on XP, sorry.

      But if you have non-LCD monitor, you should be safe.
    • Your nvidia card should work out-of-the-box with the new Mandrake - it is fine with 8.1, any resolution you like on my Sony Trinitron screen.

      If you rebuild your kernel, though, remember you have to build support in - I think it's under framebuffer device support...

    • Then you have to wait until next (probably 9.0) release. mdk8.2 has KDE 2.2.2, not 3
  • I don't know about that. I thought they were getting another Release Candidate ready because there were a few known bugs in RC1.
  • wow (Score:5, Insightful)

    by nomadic (141991) <nomadicworld@nOSpAM.gmail.com> on Sunday March 17, 2002 @03:14AM (#3176138) Homepage
    At pclinuxonline.com, they are running an uncomfirmed story that Mandrake 8.2 will be released on March 18th.

    Glad slashdot got the scoop before the Washington Post or the New York Times.

    I'm trying to be funny sarcastic, not mean sarcastic, so nobody get too upset.

    I can see announcing new releases, though I think slashdot goes overboard on that, but announcing RUMORS of a possible release? I mean, you'd think people were waiting for the new mandrake like it was a necessary transplant organ...
    • Re:wow (Score:4, Informative)

      by Anthony Boyd (242971) on Sunday March 17, 2002 @03:59AM (#3176183) Homepage
      I can see announcing new releases, though I think slashdot goes overboard on that, but announcing RUMORS of a possible release?

      Well, after I submitted the story, I kept hunting around for more info, and found what is probably the origin of the Mandrake 8.2 rumor: a mailing list post by someone at Mandrake. I'm not on the mailing list, but I did find a Usenet discussion about it at Google [google.com]. I guess the rumor probably has some validity, so Slashdot's probably right on the money at this point. Although, to be honest, I kinda hope it isn't released on Monday -- that Usenet discussion and a few others I've read make it clear that while this release is solid, it's getting rushed out the door, probably because of money issues.

      Hey Mandrake, if you really need money coming in, take pre-orders and spend an extra week to kill off a few extra bugs. I'll buy it & take a charge to my card now, but just deliver on the stability rumor. I'll pay for stability.

  • How about PPC? (Score:2, Interesting)

    by jchristopher (198929)
    I hope they aren't also claiming that the PowerPC release is ready... I tried it recently, and while promising, it has some show-stopper bugs.

    Can anyone confirm/deny that it will be a later release? I have high hopes for using it as the daily OS on my iBook.

    • I can confirm there is a UNIX-like operating system for your architecture that has no "showstopper bugs," a coherent GUI, and support from major commercial software developers.

      Unlike Mandrake and Suse, the vendor who provides this software is in excellent financial health, and its main focus is your architecture. Here's a link to more information [apple.com].

      • I'm sorry you have the "-1, bitchslap" because that's actually pretty funny. You're right we don't have to worry about Apple going anywhere...

        I even agree with your point about OS X being far more polished. However, the big problem is that it runs like a slug (and I have 640 MB RAM!). Linux runs FAR faster, even when you add in KDE or Gnome, and since it does everything I need with a default install (browser, IM, newsgroups, email, word processor, MP3 player), I'm highly interested in seeing the PPC variants of Linux succeed.

    • I hope they aren't also claiming that the PowerPC release is ready... I tried it recently, and while promising, it has some show-stopper bugs.

      It's not. It went into beta some weeks after the x86 version. I guess they're planning an 8.2-for-Alpha as well, since there is currently an Alpha Cooker around.

      If you want a version `optimised' for 386, 486, P3, P4 or Athlon, one of the things Mandrake carefully checked during this Cooker cycle was that Athlon optimisations worked properly, when selected. There is also a new package, rpm-rebuild, which will rebuild the entire distribution from source in one go.

      They also timed the release rather well, fielding and dealing with the PHP, OpenSSH and zlib bugs in the 11th hour. It should be one of their best releases, BoC I'm no prophet: only time will tell.

  • Fast and Easy... (Score:4, Interesting)

    by guamman (527778) on Sunday March 17, 2002 @03:34AM (#3176148)
    The best feature about Mandrake 8.1 is that it took about half the time to install as Windows 2000 and was probably the easiest install for linux. This may not seem like much for computer geeks (the slashdot crowd), but it is vital for getting linux on more personal desktops. If linux is ever going to survive in its current form, it needs to be a viable competitor with Microsoft. I can only hope that Mandrake 8.2 continues the trend of the other Mandrakes before it.
    • Re:Fast and Easy... (Score:4, Interesting)

      by mir (106753) <mirod@xmltwig.com> on Sunday March 17, 2002 @04:07AM (#3176194) Homepage

      I have tried all of Mandrake 8.2 beta and they look pretty good, and extremely easy to install. A couple of days after the ssh bug was found the patched version was included in RC1 and I expect a zlib-bug free version for the official 8.2. This itself makes it a good reason to upgrade (along with the fact that it detected my wireless card nearly-flawlessly on my laptop).

    • Wrong. Mandrake making an easier installer won't save Linux (but then that's only because it's not in trouble in the first place). It doesn't need to compete with Microsoft; it only needs to attract enough developers to continue advancing, and I see no sign that Microsoft, or even the 10 biggest commercial distributions disapearing (I doubt anything could destroy Debian, any more than anything could destroy Linux) would prevent that.
    • If linux is ever going to survive in its current form, it needs to be a viable competitor with Microsoft.

      You almost sound serious about that statement. Mandrake Inc may not survive but they've given power of the software to you and anyone else who uses it by distributing and writing Free Software*. The Operating System is Free. It has no choice but to survive.

      * My regards to the former users of BeOS, may he rest in peace

    • by leonbrooks (8043) <SentByMSBlast-No ... .brooks.fdns.net> on Sunday March 17, 2002 @07:33AM (#3176427) Homepage
      If linux is ever going to survive in its current form, it needs to be a viable competitor with Microsoft.

      1. no matter what you do, Linux will not survive in it's current form, and that's a good thing. Linux is a living, growing beastie. It has no current form, at least not for more than a week.

      2. Linux doesn't need or want to compete with Microsoft, certainly not head on. If you focus on beating your competitors, the best you can possibly do is slightly better than them, and who wants to aim so low?

      3. What Linux wants to do is its own thing, and do it so well that Microsoft will die of natural causes. IRL, Linux doesn't care about Microsoft all that much. Linux will continue press on without publicity, without major funding, without lawyers, without distributors as such. That's how Linux was born, that's how Linux will live, and when its turn comes, that's how Linux will die.

    • funny that, complete install not including server parts, took 1 hour and 30 mins on my comp, windows xp took 40 minutes to install and i didn't have a quarter of the configuration demands, i love linux, but they still have a long way to go before hitting mainstream desktop usage.
      • What's even funnier is that I dual boot Windows XP and Debian (sid).
        Now xp *did* install faster, mind you I had the install files on a local CD-ROM for that...... Debian was a netinstall.
        But Debian boots, runs and shuts down faster than xp ever will.
        I haven't run Mandrake since before I upgraded from my old P233MMX.
  • Are there any status reports on Red Hat releases like a beta?

    • Information on Red Hat's current betas are here [redhat.com].
    • Check your local full Red Hat mirror for Pensacola, the most recent Red Hat beta. Roswell is what became 7.2. Pensacola is what will become either 7.3 or 8.0.

      ftp.redhat.com/pub/redhat/linux/beta/pensacola

      Be kind and use a mirror.

      • Re:Pensacola (Score:3, Informative)

        by bero-rh (98815)
        No. Pensacola has nothing whatsoever to do with the next release of Red Hat Linux.
        It's a beta of the enterprise edition of Red Hat Linux 7.2, tuned for high-end hardware and high load.
        It's not what you typically want on your home box.

        As for the next version, a beta will be released when it's ready. We don't preannounce releases.
  • Why can't Mandrake wait another month for a release so it can include both KDE 3 and GNOME 2? Good thing about having a recent distro for me is it means less software to upgrade after a fresh install, but Mandrake 8.2 looks old before it's even out (Evolution 1.01, Apache 1.3.22, etc). True, a lot of the time it doesn't matter, but the bleeding edge is one reason why I enjoy Mandrake.
    • Why can't Mandrake wait another month for a release so it can include both KDE 3 and GNOME 2?


      I don't think you'll see any distribution (except maybe some of those crazy expert-oriented, source-based distributions I've been hearing about) using either of those by default so soon after release. Meanwhile my friend claims kde 3 beta is alread available through "cooker", if you really want it fast you will probably be able to get it.
    • Re:Why now? (Score:3, Informative)

      by xcomputer_man (513295)
      There is a reason why MandrakeSoft chose not to wait for KDE 3 and GNOME 2: stability. One of the primary reasons why Mandrake 8.2 is being released is to provide a more mature, refined and stable distribution than its immediate predecessors. And I'll say it does pretty well at that. Bleeding edge software like KDE 3 and GNOME 2 that will most certainly have a couple of significant bugs at their initial release will wait until the next major version number change, most likely (perhaps you want to wait for Mandrake 9.0 instead).
    • KDE3 is "pretty good" at the moment, but gnome2 will need more than a month to get fully cleaned up. KDE3 isnt vastly different from KDE2, aside from being a bit faster, better fonts, and having a few more features. Most of the work between KDE2 and KDE3 was porting the codebase to the new QT3 library.

      I think that leaving it at KDE2.2 and Gnome 1.4 is a wise choice for now.

      • Re:Why now? (Score:2, Informative)

        by timerider (14785)
        Yea, especially when you consider the fact that producing a CD from master to 'ready-to-sell' packages does take time.

        One folk at one of the suse mailing lists once mentioned the fact that the cd producer they use needs roughly one month for that. Based on the assumption that they still use the same CD fab, this would mean that the 'kde3' they claim to use as default desktop in Suse8 will in fact be either kde3 beta2, or some spurious CVS snapshot. The gnome they put in suse8 is rc2.

        Now is that a good idea? I don't think so, especially in the light of this previous article [slashdot.org].

        I normally are not a SuSE basher, but I won't touch that 8.0 with barbequeue thongs...

    • Re:Why now? (Score:5, Interesting)

      by LinuxGeek8 (184023) on Sunday March 17, 2002 @05:29AM (#3176291) Homepage
      A lot of applications that run on kde2 are not yet ported to kde3. It is nice to have a newer release of kde, but the major improvements are maybe just a better khtml and kjs, and maybe it is a bit faster.
      But you want to run your applications too.

      I believe you cannot run kde2 and kde3 apps at the same time. Here it complained that dcopserver was already running, and after killing kde2 processes kde3 apps woud start.

      But if you want kde3, you have to wait for the final release of kde3. It will then be packaged for Mandrake 8.2 and I believe also for 8.0 and 8.1, and it will be available as a download.

      For Gnome2; I do not know much about it, but it might still be a release for developers. And most gnome developers will run gnome from cvs I assume. Most gnome apps run fine on Gnome 1.4
      • A lot of applications that run on kde2 are not yet ported to kde3.

        This is true, but it's also trivial to do. On the API side, the differences between KDE 2.x and 3.x are minor.

        For Gnome2; I do not know much about it, but it might still be a release for developers.

        It totally breaks the old API, so expect to wait for a long time until applications have been ported.
  • I have never tried Suse, and only installed Mandrake once on a laptop in hopes of getting it to recognize a pcmcia card (it didn't), so maybe I'm not making much sense here, but it seems to me that these two distros are battling each other for the "European KDE-leaning user-friendlyish financially-faltering" distro. Wouldn't closer collaboration on their parts be beneficial, to avoid redundancies in installers/configurators/packages/etc? I know their packaging schemes are different, and they probably have minor differences in their file system organization, but they may be able to achieve fairly substantial cost savings by cooperating more and each distributing their own "branded" versions.
    • Chalk and cheese (Score:3, Insightful)

      by leonbrooks (8043)
      SuSE seems happier on a more proprietary road, and some things like their X drivers occasionally shine for this approach. Mandrake is - as far as is reasonably possible - totally GPLed, and their whole spirit is different. You couldn't mix the two and get an enviable result.

      I believe you could mix Mandrake and Debian (urpmi, at heart, doesn't care whether it's based on RPM or PKG), or SuSE and Caldera (for a distro that knows Novell and displays well), and get a much better outcome.

      • Re:Chalk and cheese (Score:3, Interesting)

        by Elbereth (58257)
        Mandrake is leaning more and more towards proprietary software. Just look at their "donation" situation. When you go to download the latest Mandrake, the two choices are

        I have already donated
        I promise to donate

        There is no "No thanks, I choose not to donate" link. In effect, you are making a promise to Mandrake that you will donate.

        I myself was a little annoyed by this.

        When was the last time Mandrake donated money to me for writing software, finding bugs, or solving technical problems for their users? Never. But I'm supposed to donate to them, because a for-profit company is faultering? I think not.

        The whole nature of a company is to make profit. If they can not do that, then perhaps they need to think twice about starting business ventures.

        I'd rather donate to a Linux programmer like Linus Torvalds or Alan Cox than to a for-profit corporation.
        • I too was annoyed at this. I have purchased every release of Mandrake that they ever put out. Do they considering they are annoying people who purchase through retail with crap like that?

          I am seriously considering switching distros at this point. I have come to the realization that Mandrake simply is capable of presenting itself as a professional organization. Mandrake's corporate culture is almost entirely devoid of professionalism.

          Business decisions are not made at Mandrake. Mandrake really is a bunch of hackers in a couple rooms somewhere in Paris. They just throw in whatever they think is the latest and greatest into their distro.

          From a product side I am just getting sick and tired of the pathetically designed and unprofessional tools that Mandrake provides. The english language translation of the text in the UI of most of the Mandrake tools simply just sucks and it isn't getting any better.

          Example of how unprofessional the Mandrake apps are: open the Mandrake control center, click on a module, click on a different module, even though no modifications were made you get a dialog that says: "The modifications done in the current module won't be saved." Passable english, but it wouldn't get past QA in my software company. And that's just one minor example. The warning dialog has a caption of "drakcon.real". ??? I have given up trying to decipher what the Mandrake icons are supposed to look like. There is little or no UI uniformity between the tools.

        • I myself was a little annoyed by this.

          So tell them. They're the kind of company which is prone to fixing things like that; they're not Microsoft. When the donate link first went up, it was on the front page. They moved it to a more obscure location at the request of their business partners. They've turned to the community before calling it quits, which takes more guts and frankness than 99% of corporations have. Would you rather see that attitude perish, or the ``nothing to see folks, business as usual, oh shit'' approach die?

          When was the last time Mandrake donated money to me for writing software, finding bugs, or solving technical problems for their users? Never.

          Funny, I seem to recall something about free downloads, something else about paying their developers to fix code used by you (and in other distros), and lots of other generous moves, including that their base distro is (except for Navigator) 100% Open Source and nearly 100% GPL.

          The whole nature of a company is to make profit. If they can not do that, then perhaps they need to think twice about starting business ventures.

          They did. It was one of the calculated risks that they took. They didn't say ``let's make a buck out of Linux'', they said ``let's produce a good Linux distro and if we make a buck as well, great!'' They're only in trouble now because their previous management team ignored the corporate spirit and started pushing them towards standard DotCom stupidity. And were fired for it. I say support them not because they're a business venture but because they do so much for Linux in perticular, and Free software in general; and because they're a flagship of sorts. If they go down, it will cause some serious finger-pointing among the enemies of Free software and Linux.
      • Re:Chalk and cheese (Score:3, Interesting)

        by rseuhs (322520)
        SuSE seems happier on a more proprietary road, and some things like their X drivers occasionally shine for this approach.

        Huh?

        SuSE never released any proprietary X drivers.

        The only thing SuSE develops that is not under the GPL is YaST and SaX, configuartion tools. Those are put under the YaST license which is identical to the GPL with the exception that you are not allowed to sell it for money (giving away is OK, modifying is OK, source-code is available, installing on one gazillion machines is OK)

        • I think the parent poster was referring to SuSE's no-iso policy, which keeps me from trying SuSE at home. Though its not proprietary or non-GPL in any way - its definately easier to grab a Redhat/Debian/Mandrake iso than try SuSE.

          Having a DVD with the box set would be nice though, netinstalls and switching CDs gets old - I'll probably buy 8.0 to see what all the fuss is about. :)
      • "SuSE seems happier on a more proprietary road, and some things like their X drivers occasionally shine for this approach".

        Which X drivers do you speak of? Nvidia? The Nvidia driver you find with SuSE is not the proprietary one shipped with Nvidia, its a dummy one. Before you say Yast, yes its not GPL'd, however one can do anything with its source that is included. Only stipulation is that you cannot sell it on.

        Caldera is in its own area as they charge licensing fee's for each box. Whilst SuSE does not, buy a box and do with it as you would Mandrake or anyone else. Only real difference is SuSE offering FTP download for free a month after its boxed release date.

        "I believe you could mix Mandrake and Debian (urpmi, at heart, doesn't care whether it's based on RPM or PKG), or SuSE and Caldera (for a distro that knows Novell and displays well), and get a much better outcome."

        Give it a try and see what happens sometime :).

        Matt
  • I have been using SuSE since 5.3 and I guess I will buy this upgrade as well, better to have everything on my hard drive then need to download many upgrades over a dial up. I usually copythe SuSE distro cds to my hard drive and have everything available every time I use YaST.Yast2 doesn't like the installation from hard drive but YaST has no problems with it. However, I do want to see what packages have been updated, I guess one of these days I should start with a clean install rather than just upgrade.
    • by MobyTurbo (537363)
      I usually copy the SuSE distro cds to my hard drive and have everything available every time I use YaST.Yast2 doesn't like the installation from hard drive but YaST has no problems with it.
      One of the new features of SuSE 8.0 will be that rather than maintaining two installers, YAST2 will be the only installer - though it's text mode will be much improved for administration tasks over ssh and the like. You might want to take this into consideration before copying 7 CDs worth of RPMs to your hard drive only to find that YaST2 doesn't like it. :-) (Or maybe it's time that you bought a DVD-ROM drive; SuSE Linux Pro comes with one DVD-ROM with everything on it this removes the hassle of swapping CDs which might be the reason for your doing this.)
    • I do exactly the same thing (well not exactly, I copy the DVD to a NFS-share) and I don't have any problems using YaST2 with it.

      BTW, SuSE has vowed that YaST2 now supports 100% of YaST1 functionality.

  • by LiteForce (102751) on Sunday March 17, 2002 @06:32AM (#3176355) Homepage
    Provided there are no showstoppers!

    List: mandrake-cooker
    Subject: [Cooker] 8.2
    From: Warly <warly@mandrakesoft.com>
    Date: 2002-03-15 18:07:56
    [Download message RAW]

    I am in the process of building the final 8.2 isos.

    These isos will be tested this week-end, and released on Monday if OK.

    As a consequence if you find some free minutes this week-end and test all the uploads that have been done today, and report any regression, that would be quite a great help.

    --
    Warly

    The original can be found here [theaimsgroup.com].

  • Do either of them include GCC 3.x?

    I ask because it is especially difficult to upgrade from gcc 2.x, I don't want to recompile every C++ program...
    • Re:GCC 3.x? (Score:2, Informative)

      by leviramsey (248057)
      Do either of them include GCC 3.x?

      Mandrake offers it as an optional package. However, the entire distro was compiled with 2.96 (because of Mandrake's Red Hat compatibility policy), so 2.96 is the preferred compiler.

  • I like being able to edit files to customize the compilation (no Gnome-core-libs-bloat? no problem. know I don't want kde/kdelibs? no problem.) and only installing what I want on my system - all of em in their cpu-optimized goodness.
    I was using Sorcerer/Sorcery/Lunar-Penguin (aka, the "let's have a battle of egos and fork like there's no tomorrow" distros), until they factioned and started having all the stupid in-fighting; now I went with the solid, founded, Gentoo - a little extra time with set up and editing files, but worth the effort.
  • by 1%warren (78514)
    Cooker is in deep freeze at the moment, so if you don't mind doing an ftp install, you can get 8.2 right now. You might have to update a few rpm's later. I'ts probably more than my life's worth to say *where* you can get it on /. though. BTW, KDE in 8.2 is *much* faster than in 8.1.
  • I hope it's optional and not the default, seeing as how it's not officially complete yet.
  • I have a .ac.uk connection and would really like SUSE linux 8.0 when it arrives but I cannot really afford to buy it. Why can't i download the full cd set? I dont need the extra support from buying it
  • Is there *any* clear way to install rawhide via FTP? I know that it's not guaranteed, it may blow up my machine etc. etc., but it would be nice to have a way to do a fresh install of it (I tried using the hdinstall.img from 7.2 & making my own FTP directory, that doesn't seem to work). Any ideas?
  • I do my install only once in a while (usually when I get a new system, every two years.)
    So for me, it's not important if I spend 1, 2, 3 hours to get the bits and pieces moved from one medium to the other. Beside the install usually goes smoothly without me sitting in front of the machine (I start it before calling a friend and chatting for 3 hours.) The longest part is to download the iso images so what it is I would gain if it installed in half the time if the files are up to 20 hours to download?
  • RedHat is not on the ball, apparently. I've been using it for several years now and I just burned 7.2 yesterday. I was planning to install it next week but now I'm not so sure that's a good idea. I'd like to play with KDE 3.0 without installing it myself.

    Should I try something different? I'd hate to relearn the boot system (/etc/rc.d) AGAIN, I already did that once when I switched from Slackware to Redhat. I might be a programmer, but I ain't no sysadmin and it would be nice not to have to f*ck with 99% of the system just to get things the way I want them...

    • My opinion, if you want a RPM based distro, go with SuSe, and if you want the tightest, most sophisticated distro, go with Debian.

      Once Debian gets a user-friendly OS installer, it will be more of a user-friendly distro than any other distro out there! Aside from the initial OS installation, Debian is extremely easy to use, maintain, upgrade, add/remove software too, etc...

      If you correctly install Debian, which only has to be done once, then you are home free. Upgrading to a new version is a snap, adding more software is easy enough a 5-year-old and an 80-year-old could do it. If you are really committed to Linux, then I suggest that you take the time to learn how to correctly install and setup Debian... do that just once, and then rest back and enjoy free software for the rest of your life.
  • There's no mention on it's details webpage about the release... anyone know?
  • Have they fixed the PCMCIA install yet ?

    It did not work at all for me (couldn't find the network card or CD ROM), and I know I wasn't the only person to have had this experience.

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