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Linux: Browser Wars 352

Posted by CmdrTaco
from the it-never-ends dept.
Anderson Silva writes "LinuxToday has an article doing a pretty basic comparison on some of the major linux browsers. Although a nice article, and with a fair result, I still think Opera is the best browser available for Linux." I prefer knoqueror, although recent builds seem to have random hangs on images.google.com.
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Linux: Browser Wars

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  • google (Score:1, Informative)

    by Trollificus (253741) on Sunday August 19, 2001 @05:14PM (#2194771) Journal
    Every browser I use randomly hangs on images.google.com. Even on my Windows machines.
    It has nothing to do with Linux, or the browsers.
  • Opera Slow? (Score:4, Informative)

    by Rura Penthe (154319) on Sunday August 19, 2001 @05:16PM (#2194776)
    From the article: Opera is slick, but it's page rendering is nothing short of horrendous. Galeon performed well in all tests, and, aesthetics aside, it's a good choice.

    I haven't noticed this myself...In my experience Opera has (almost always) been very fast in rendering HTML for viewing. Its only problem is that it waits for images to load before it displays anything past the image tag in question. Perhaps this was why it took so long to load the page in the test.
  • by rho (6063) on Sunday August 19, 2001 @05:39PM (#2194861) Homepage Journal

    He saved the page to local disk -- network time had nothing to do with it.

    However, his hardware did: a Pentium 166. My main machine is a P-133, and I normally see such load times on complicated sites. While I could use a faster computer, a slower one is a good indicator of when your HTML is getting out of hand and that it's time to stop dinking with it.

    Regardless, I still use Netscape 4.7x for these reasons -- it's fast, relatively stable while Mozilla on a P-133 is a complete joke.

  • Re:Galeon Problems (Score:3, Informative)

    by msaavedra (29918) on Sunday August 19, 2001 @05:57PM (#2194919)

    I tried this in Galeon-0.12pre3 and the link loads fine. Maybe the problem you are experiencing has been fixed. I imagine 0.12 will be out fairly soon, since pre3 seems pretty solid.


    And by the way, yes, you can turn off pop-ups.

  • by jchristopher (198929) on Sunday August 19, 2001 @05:59PM (#2194924)
    Please. You should see the tricks we have to pull at work to get Netscape to render properly. It has tons of things wrong.

    One of the most glaring is that it won't render table cells with no content, so you have to put a non-breaking space in every empty cell. It also screws up table widths.... I could go on and on... ask anyone who works on web application development, they will tell you, Netscape sucks.

    If it looks good on your machine in Netscape, it's only because someone slaved away to make it that way.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Sunday August 19, 2001 @06:19PM (#2194979)
    I don't have the same complaint with the widgets, and I've figured out how to hide the ad. I just open a 'find' box and place it over the ad. It's an almost perfect fit, and it's always on top.
  • not really (Score:2, Informative)

    by metalhed77 (250273) <andrewvcNO@SPAMgmail.com> on Sunday August 19, 2001 @06:25PM (#2195005) Homepage
    well many people rarely use those environments, a FAIR test would have been 2 benchmarks one without kdeinit running one with. THen again it doesn't really matter becasue this review has so many probs with it it's not usefull at all.
  • by gibara (165385) on Sunday August 19, 2001 @06:50PM (#2195092) Homepage
    On an underpowered machine, it is inevitable that the browsers which are designed to be scalable, and to perform well at larger tasks will be precisely those which perform worst.

    I think this trend is clearly apparent in the given rendering (not loading) times. I am not suprised at these high figures, most of it will be accounted by virtual memory paging.
  • measuring stability (Score:3, Informative)

    by jesser (77961) on Sunday August 19, 2001 @07:59PM (#2195349) Homepage Journal
    a site that will crash a browser one day will work fine the next in my experience

    No kidding. IE crashes on me multiple times daily, but I very rarely find a reproducible set of steps I can take to make it crash. Mozilla crashes on me occasionally, but I can almost always figure out what I need to do to reproduce the crash so I can file a bug.

    That doesn't mean it's impossible to measure stability. It just means that being able to find reproducible crashes isn't the same thing as having a stable product. If you wanted to compare the stability of various browsers, you would have to get a group of users to try different browsers for their daily browsing while running your own crash reporting tool, but that's far from impossible to do.

    Mozilla comes with a third-party program called Talkback that reports crashes to the developers. mozilla.org uses this data not only to find the most common crash bugs (by comparing the tops of the stack traces), but also to calculate theh "mean time between failure" to determine whether any given milestone (and maybe even nightly builds) is particularly stable. Internet Explorer 6.0 comes with a similar feature. (Both Mozilla and IE6 prompt the user before sending the crash report.)
  • IE 5/WINE howto (Score:5, Informative)

    by rinkjustice (24156) <rinkjustice.NO_SPAMrocketmail@com> on Sunday August 19, 2001 @09:16PM (#2195559) Homepage Journal
    There's an IE 5/WINE howto at:

    http://www.hardcorelinux.com/wine-howto.htm

    which shows you how to run IE 5 in Linux. Someone wrote me recently stating v5.5 doesn't work w/ the command-line parameters i used, but I know personally circa 5.0 does. It works decently too, rendering pages nearly as well as the Windows counterpart.
  • by mosch (204) on Sunday August 19, 2001 @11:07PM (#2195867) Homepage
    Everybody knows that actions speak louder than words. A few weeks ago I posted a link to a page that I mirrored, as the original site got slashbanged. Looking at the logs, I have:
    • 1440 people using IE 5.5
    • 1163 people using IE 5.0/5.01
    • 954 people using Mozilla
    • 748 people using Netscape 4.7x
    • 309 people using IE 6.0 preview
    • 227 people using Opera
    • 178 people using Konqueror
    • 215 people using Netscape 4.6x
    • 102 people using Galeon
    • 22 people using iCab
    • 1 person using SkipStone

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