RedHat 7.2 Beta: Roswell

LinuxNews.pl writes: "Few days ago RedHat uploaded new Beta release of their distro - Roswell. If you want to find out more about it just go to the LinuxNews.pl" And I won't even make a snide comment about how I haven't run Red Hat in 2 years!

Holy smokes!

[Denial of Service]

The hypocrisy is flying around this place like shit from howler monkeys today. You're all bashing Taco for his outwardly elitist commentary when the exact same thing flows from most of you on a daily basis. Read virtually any thread around here with as must objectivity as you can muster and it's difficult to miss. God forbid anyone suggest that non-OSS software is better for a certain task or ask a seemingly obvious question.

Personally, I congratulate Rob for having the balls to at least be blunt about it instead of the thinly veiled digs routinely employed by the vast majority of you.

Now, whip out the -1, Troll or Offtopic marking for this as fast as possible and sit back satisfied that another dissenting opinion has been eliminated. It's your duty, isn't it?

Re:ext3 is there, but where is Reiser?

[nedron]

Frankly, ext3 is the better thought out of the journalling filesystems for Linux, simply because you can turn it on or off, just like logging on Solaris.

And that was what kind of comment?

[SimplyCosmic]

And I won't even make a snide comment about how I haven't run Red Hat in 2 years!

Gee ... That certainly looks to be a snide comment to me. Kind of like the guy who insults your entire family, and then thinks a "just kidding" at the end makes up for it.

Normally I try to ignore the biased comments that creep up in the stories here, but the snippy little comments, regardless of the topic, have become a bit much lately.

Re:Hmm...

[LinuxHam]

I guess I won't even make a snide comment about whan an asshole Rob is, then

Seriously, that was pretty fuckin' uncalled for. I don't care how insecure RH may be out of the box compared to some other distros, but shit, Linux is Linux, right? You have to secure every distro, and AFAIK, none of them ship with a chrooted apache, bind, and sendmail (or better yet, qmail or postfix). Gimme a break.

Granted, I haven't used it yet, but I have yet to see or hear any evidence as to why apt-get is so much better than rpm -Fvh. Particularly when no commercial apps ship as .deb's. (And yes, some of us have *jobs* where we're well-regarded for specifying closed-source commercial apps [ibm.com] for Linux.)

Some people will always find someting to bitch about. Case in point.

Comments like this

[re-Verse]

Its comments like that that hinder the growth of the linux community. Joe newbie finally gets on to an IRC linux help channel, asks about something he thinks is redhat related. He gets replies of "lamer, rtfm, redhat is gay." or, more in line with Taco's "Redhat, um, no comment, Redhat *snicker*"
The newbie feels dejected, sees the community as a bunch of arrogant geeks (i guess we mainly are?) and goes back to windows where Everyone is willing to help him.

While it seems most of the linux community is realizing this, and is starting to work together to make linux a more newbie friendly place, less distro fanaticism and more helping hands, its quite suprising to see /. post something so utterly condescending on what is probably the most popular linux distro for newbies, and The Best Known linux outside of the linux community.

Re:And that was what kind of comment?

[mikethegeek]

"And I won't even make a snide comment about how I haven't run Red Hat in 2 years!"

I agree, this IS horriblly elitist. Yes, Debian is the most "ideologically pure" Linux distro (which I admire), but it's the HARDEST for any non-expert to get any use out of. As a systems engineer, my job is not to impose ideology, but to impliment the best solution, which in the Linux world is Red Hat.

Red Hat is in my experience the best distro for a server, which is what I use 7.1 for. However, I do use Mandrake on my desktop machine, but then that is what Mandrake is INTENDED for.

The press release was REALLY cool, and the name "Roswell" is way cool. Too bad they didn't save that for the final...

Distro wars are a waste of time

[X-Nc]

God give me the strength to survive the rantings of distro wars!

I have been running Linux since November or December of 1991. I've seen just about every distro that's ever been out starting with HJ Lu's boot/root floppies. Why myst people waste so much time an effors on distro bashing? It's Linux! That's all that matters. I have tried all of the "big 7" (see LWN's Distro page [lwn.net]) from their early releases to date. When it comes down to what counts there is no significent difference between them! They all work and work well. They will do the job that needs to be done if you have a resonably compitent SysAdmin to run them. Just like any other *NIX. I've also used Free/Net/OpenBSD and Solaris any they also work. If all the energy that is currentlly used to rant about Distros/OS/Licenses was put towards constructive things the world would be saying "Micro-WHO?" right now.

I know no one is going to actually listen to me. But I'll keep tilting at windmills till I can't ride any more.

Re:Why Red Hat isn't a serious project

[Anonymous Coward]

Installing from scratch and upgrading is very different.

Re:The explanation for this

[KidSock]

Bero: We haven't come up with a way to work more than 24 hours a day

No! Take it easy. Take your time and make a good product. If you rush it will come out crappy. Keep up the great work but have fun!