RedHat "Fisher" 7.1 Beta Out Now 173
Cranky Spice (and everyone, and everyone's brother) writes: "Get it here: ftp://ftp.redhat.com/pub/redhat/beta/fisher
They've moved to mainstream the 2.4 kernel (surprise),
there's an IA64 set of .iso files, the installer can wizard you up
a basic firewall config, all the usual minor tweaks and enhancements. Though they say PCMCIA support is still flaky, meaning my VAIO Z505 slimline might not be running Fisher anytime soon. :/" The flood will only increase now -- even PocketLinux was demonstrating 2.4 on their iPAQs today at LinuxWorld.
Re:Do they turn unnecessary services off? (Score:1)
If people want to fuck up their machines, there's nothing in the world that will stop them. If people want to be spoon-fed with pablum, they can go ahead and install W2K pro.
You can put a warning in 20pt letters, in flashing red font, and you'll still have cl00bies clicking away. Now what?
The default workstation install has some nice firewall options that slam the door shut, hard. You can't really ask for more than that.
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Linus' opinion (Score:1)
Re:"Fisher" - Evolution of a Name (Score:1)
I think you misplaced a couple of those.
4.0 - Colgate - Toothpastes
I think that's a University
4.8 - Thunderbird - Hotels near the San Jose airport
Another Ford car
Re:"Fisher" - Evolution of a Name (Score:1)
Going my own way... but.. CVS repos. for pgms??? (Score:1)
Re:"Fisher" - Evolution of a Name (Score:2)
Milton -- Toy companies (followup: Dante/classic authors of religous fiction)
Picasso -- Artists (full circle) (followup: Rembrandt)
Pendragon -- Arthur (followup: Emperor/name for an absolute ruler)
Light -- Names Jesus called himself
Pirate -- Sea-based professions
Clancy -- MFK Fisher and Judith Clancy wrote "Not a Station But a Place" (followup: Lambert/Highlander)
Cougar -- Carnivorous mammals of North America (followup: Firebird/Car)
Have to admit, I'm partial to this last one, but that's just because I'd love the next ".0" release to be called "Phoenix"
Why don't you guys put some effort into it? (Score:2)
What I don't understand is why Red Hat would pour effort into Gnome, but they are so reluctant to assist with the first journaling file system (especially when SUSE has done so much with it).
But then again, if ext3 is in the distribution within 3 months and it includes large file support, I won't be too upset.
It would just be nice to know what you guys are planning. It's not that much of the plan has ever been bad, but I need to plan too.
Fisher boot disk for those who have floppy and zip (Score:2)
Vaio notebook (Score:1)
Re:"Fisher" - Evolution of a Name (Score:1)
Fisher
Manson (famous psychos)
Partridge (famous families)
Pear (things found in a pear tree)
Orange (fruit)
Purple (color)
Flash (jumpin jack flash - whoopi goldberg movies)
Bicycle (Queen songs)
Scooter (transportation)
Oscar (mupets)
Marlin (fish)
Seminoles (Florida teams)
Apache (Indian tribes)
and finally IIS (web servers)
Maybe some of these are streaches.
Re:A Sweepstake (Score:1)
Re:Finally... (Score:1)
On another note; I skimmed the readme's and changelogs, this is an awesome beta-release; the ISO image install feature is such a cool idea. A GUI-kickstart generator is a very good idea too,and kernel 2.4, and better Xfree configuration, and quick-and-dirty personal firewall, and PXE boot images (sounds very interesting), and KDE 2.1, and, and, and...
The only worrying feature is BIND 9.10. It may be more secure and have nice features like DNSSEC/TSIG, but it is rather new, and could lead to some upgrade trouble? Besides bugfixing, this more noisy, and public beta test, will at least make this BIND upgrade known to people before the final release (=less suprises).
In short, this beta release, shows that RH really has listenend to its users (and costumers), eg; no superflous deamon running, after workstation install). And kudos to RH for that.
Re:Before I grab a copy, I've got a question . . . (Score:1)
So... (Score:1)
Re:VAIO slimline (Score:1)
I was regretting many times that I hadn't tested a beta version of some program or hadn't found time to report a bug, and the release of that program still had that bug.
Re:some of the features (if you care) (Score:2)
I though they would have had enough complaints to switch back to 2.95.2, but no... Anyone knows whether that a least the same 2.96 (compatible C++ ABI) as the one shipped with 7.0?
I can't wait for gcc 3.0 to be released and the C++ ABI to be frozen for a while.
Before I grab a copy, I've got a question . . . (Score:1)
Mirrors (Score:5)
Indiana, USA:
http://csociety-ftp.ecn.purdue.edu/pub/redhat/bet
ftp://csociety-ftp.ecn.purdue.edu/pub/redhat/beta
Minnesota, USA:
ftp://ftp.mn-linux.org/linux/redhat/beta/fisher [mn-linux.org]
Buffalo, New York, USA:
ftp://ftp.cse.buffalo.edu/mirror/Linux/redhat/bet
Pennsylvania, USA:
http://carroll.cac.psu.edu/pub/linux/distribution
ftp://carroll.cac.psu.edu/pub/linux/distributions
rsync://carroll.cac.psu.edu/redhat-beta/fisher
Anyone going to use Fisher should of course, goto Bugzilla.redhat.com [redhat.com] and give plenty of bug reports and other issues while using this beta version of RedHat.
Re:Do they turn unnecessary services off? (Score:1)
True, Mandrake is the one notorious for leaving various unneeded, even unwanted services and daemons activated. Even when specifically turned off during the install.
My big concern for RH 7.1 is have they wisely abandoned the 2.96 branch of gcc?
Re:Why don't you guys put some effort into it? (Score:3)
One of the main advantages of ext3 is that it can use ext2's already very advanced userland recovery
tools - if something goes wrong that can't be fixed with a simple replay, ext3 won't be in much trouble. Add the fact that you can simply update
ext2->ext3, and you know some (not all) of the
main arguments for this.
But when reiserfs stabilizes, there's no reason not to have 2 (or more, with XFS, JFS, tux2 and all coming along) choices.
Re:Have they integrated ReiserFS into the install? (Score:1)
Re:What's missing (Score:2)
Re:DevFS (Score:1)
Re:Going my own way... but.. CVS repos. for pgms?? (Score:1)
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Re:Naming? (Score:2)
Guinness and Fisher are both european beers
Free speech and free beer, they did it!
Matthias
this is good (Score:1)
will it be
spambait e-mail
my web site artistcorner.tv hip-hop music news
please help me make it better
Performance gain (Score:1)
Re:quick quick .. (Score:2)
After doing a make modules_install, it installed my modules in /lib/modules/2.4.0, which is fine, but the directory structure was all screwey, as well there was a sym link called 'build' back to my /opt/linux-2.4.0 directory. Explain that one? I looked at the changes. I noticed that the whole make menuconfig had completely changed. Some for the better, but it seems that the bttv drivers have somewhat disappeared, or maybe I was not looking in the right place (video). It was just a whole confusing mess, that at that time I did not want to deal with, as well they have just released 2.4.1 a few days ago. By the time that RH 7.2 comes out 2.4.10 shoudl have been released ot maybe later and it should have most of the bugs worked out of it. I can't afford to have my system in a state of mayhem. I need it to much in a stable state. So as I said I'll wait til. 7.2.
I don't want a lot, I just want it all!
Flame away, I have a hose!
Re:A Sweepstake (Score:1)
Re:Do they turn unnecessary services off? (Score:2)
Any admin that installs a server and leaves the r-services enabled (with extremely few specific exceptions) should be tarred and feathered.
This [openssh.com] takes care of both rcp and rlogin quite nicely. There's really no reason not to use it instead of the old, horribly insecure r-services.
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Do they turn unnecessary services off? (Score:4)
- A.P.
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* CmdrTaco is an idiot.
Re:Do they turn unnecessary services off? (Score:1)
Haha, I read that the first time as "should be tarred and gzipped."
Re: (Score:1)
gcc (Score:1)
"If ignorance is bliss, may I never be happy.
Re:Do they turn unnecessary services off? (Score:1)
I have a lot of RedHat, but for some reason I just can't bring myself to use their products. Perhaps it's the difficult to decompose RPM format... Perhaps it's the funky places it puts certain files... Perhaps it's the RPM dependancy hell... I don't know.
Try rawhide. (Score:2)
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Re:What will they do about Pinstripe? (Score:1)
Re:So... (Score:1)
"Fools rush in."
PCMCIA flakiness (Score:2)
Are there general Linux PCMCIA issues that I need to be aware of?
Re:Before I grab a copy, I've got a question . . . (Score:1)
GCC 2.96-RH
The actual gcc RPM included is named gcc-2.96-71.src.rpm [purdue.edu].
Redhat 7.0 shipped with gcc-2.96-54.[insert arch here].rpm, so it's still the same broken compiler.
Re:Redhat 7 with Oracle on SMP box ? (Score:2)
Oracle on RedHat is VERY version specific. Because of the install process you need to run a specific version of RedHat to get Oracle to install/work properly.
Right now that means RedHat 6.2. Sure, there are patches and other stuff that MICHT get Oracle to work on 7.x, but they are not reliable.
There is a LONG bug report in the Redhat bugzilla site that describes the situation with Oracle and RedHat 7 very well.
It's not RedHat's fault - it's the way Oracle links to glib on install.
Re:Do they turn unnecessary services off? (Score:2)
Of course not:
Technically, there has never been any doubt that this was the correct thing to do. Politically, things should have been handled better.
Re:Naming? (Score:1)
Guinness - Alec Guinness (in memorial of)
Fisher - Carrie Fisher? Acted along side Guinness in Star Wars
Re:VAIO slimline (Score:1)
Re:"Fisher" - Evolution of a Name (Score:1)
Re:Why use Linux at all? (Score:2)
Re:"Fisher" - Evolution of a Name (Score:2)
Re:Have they integrated ReiserFS into the install? (Score:1)
Re:"Fisher" - Evolution of a Name (Score:1)
French Mirror (i386 ISOs only) (Score:2)
You can grab the 2 ISOs from here:
(you might want to hold down shift while you clock)
fisher-i386-disc1.iso [195.115.63.44]
and
fisher-i386-disc2.iso [195.115.63.44]
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Why pay for drugs when you can get Linux for free ?
Re:a question from a newbie - please help (Score:1)
Go to the Linux PCMCIA info site and look at the
supported cards list. If it's not there, you could
post a message on the forum. 3com cards are generally
well supported.
http://pcmcia-cs.sourceforge.net/
So here we are... (Score:3)
Naming? (Score:2)
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Alec Guinness -- Carrie Fisher (Score:2)
Re:The Announcement from Redhat (Score:3)
Re:will it (Score:3)
Hasn't it been proven enough yet that GCC 2.9.6 + the latest patches is by far the most standardized and bug free version of GCC yet?
Bero from Red Hat, among a few others, have beaten this to a pulp. The only people with problems are those who have written code that takes advantage of old GCC bugs!
And we won't have real binary compatibility until GCC 3 comes out. So why not have the best we can have now?
Re:some of the features (if you care) (Score:5)
There are many reasons why this decision was right:
If you have any objections to the compiler, report the problems you are seeing [redhat.com] rather than complaining without having tried it, the way many people seem to do lately.
Re:Do they turn unnecessary services off? (Score:3)
BIND 9.1.0 and wu-ftpd 2.6.1 (both with a couple of bugfixes) are included - no known security bugs at this time.
Re:Have they integrated ReiserFS into the install? (Score:5)
This is because we don't consider it stable enough for real production use at this time (though it's slowly starting to get there). Right now, it works quite reliably (unless you're NFS-exporting it) as long as everything can be fixed with journal replays.
If you're using reiserfs and you have a hardware or driver problem leading to a corruption that can't be fixed by a simple replay, you're pretty much on your own. ext2/ext3 can recover from some of this.
Re:Have they integrated ReiserFS into the install? (Score:2)
It's not offered as an option during an install though; look for my other post on the thread for the reasoning.
Re:RedHat will use ext3. ReiserFS in your dreams (Score:2)
Re:Performance gain (Score:3)
Since we're using the compiler to compile the distribution, the compiler patches affect you even if you are not a developer.
Re:A small wish (Score:3)
Simply run "up2date -l" or go ftp://ftp.redhat.com/pub/redhat/updates/ [redhat.com]
Redhat + Mandrake (Score:2)
No seriosly,
I wish Redhat would be as easy to set-up as Mandrake (it installed Glide and Mesa for me, can't get much better than that!)
I was never able to actually get Mesa to compile on my system (Don't tell me how! I'm sick of it by now) But mandrake had it compilled for me the first time I booted my system.
It also did all kinds of things like installed
Tux-racer (I thought it was cool) and setup my cd-burner.
I wish Redhat would do this without the bloatyness of Mandrake, as mandrake automatically setup Apache, and a bunch of other crapp (what the heck is Zope anyways?)
Re:Naming? (Score:2)
the LiNUX Community.
:)
"Fisher" - Evolution of a Name (Score:5)
Version - Name - Tie-together
3.0.3 - Picasso
3.0.4 - Rembrandt - Painters
4.0 - Colgate - Toothpastes
4.1 - Vanderbilt - Universities
4.2 - Biltmore - The Vanderbilts lived in Biltmore Estate
4.8 - Thunderbird - Hotels near the San Jose airport
4.9 - Mustang - Ford automobiles
5.0 - Hurricane - WWII fighters
5.1 - Manhattan - Mixed drinks
5.2 - Apollo - Theaters
5.9 - Starbuck - Battlestar Galactica characters
6.0 - Hedwig - Starbuck MN & St Hedwig TX are small towns
beta - Lorax - Hedwig Godiva & the Lorax are Dr Seuss characters
6.1 - Cartmann - MS Word macro-viruses (or cartoon characters)
beta - Piglet - Cartoon characters
6.2 - Zoot - Dr Piglet & Sir Zoot are occupants of Castle Anthrax
beta - Pinstripe - Types of suits
7.0 - Guinness - Beer (Guinness is a stout, Pinstripe is an ale)
beta - Fisher - Star Wars actors
7.1 - ? - ?
Maybe 7.1 final release will be named after a chess player
Cheers,
IT
quick quick .. (Score:2)
Oh who am I kidding.. if you download this make sure you know what you are doing. This is a beta and that means more bugs than a full release.
I.E. BACK UP YOUR SYSTEM!!!
Personally I'll continue waiting for 7.2 before I upgrade my 6.2 system. I imagine that they may be including 2.4 and I had problems with that already, just installing the modules. It did run though.
I don't want a lot, I just want it all!
Flame away, I have a hose!
A Sweepstake (Score:2)
Re:some of the features (if you care) (Score:2)
Re:Why don't you guys put some effort into it? (Score:2)
That does sound pretty awesome. Do you think we could plan on an endorsed Red Hat distribution with a journaling file system integrated into the install by June, at the latest?
I promise to buy the boxed set if so...
Re:Do they turn unnecessary services off? (Score:2)
Re:Before I grab a copy, I've got a question . . . (Score:3)
I don't think anyone who has actually tried one of the later gcc 2.96 releases (>= -69, the version from 7.0 updates) would call it broken.
If you have any actual issues with it, report them at bugzilla [redhat.com].
If you don't, don't call it broken.
Re:DevFS (Score:2)
Re:make or break (Score:3)
What do you mean by "more compliance with standards"? I guess you're talking about the compiler, in which case you actually mean "less compliance with standards" - 2.96 is the first gcc version that is fully ISO C99 and almost-fully ISO C++98 compliant.
Re:Redhat must be on Microsoft's payroll now (Score:3)
Including prereleases IN A BETA makes perfect sense if we have reason to believe that the final will be out in time for our final or the version officially designated as beta is actually at least as stable as the latest version released as stable (tar and fileutils are perfect examples of the latter.)
The purpose of a beta release is to get bug reports and figure out what needs to be changed.
We don't have much of a use for, say, bug reports on KDE 2.0.1 if we know for sure we'll be shipping 2.1 (which has a lot of bugfixes [and probably also some new bugs]) in the final - we'd rather help the release we intend to ship to stabilize.
Make that... (Score:2)
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Redhat 7 with Oracle on SMP box ? (Score:2)
Now the question is that I have been a user of Slackware for 4 years now and am very happy with it, heck its running Oracle on a dual proc box alread! BUT i have to put RedHat on this, cause of the support option and wanted to know if someone else out there has had a good experience with RedHat and Oracle ? I really want to use 2.4 cause of the Smp support amongst other things......
I would not move to redhat on my own boxes or any of the smaller servers, BUT on the other hand i want to get Linux on this box, and that means i have to play ball with others and move to redhat!
Got any advice ? Links to sites ? stories ? ?
Re:gcc 3.0??? (Score:2)
"Homo sum: humani nil a me alienum puto"
(I am a man: nothing human is alien to me)
Re:PCMCIA flakiness (Score:2)
-- ;-)
See, you not only have to be a good coder to create a system like Linux, you have to be a sneaky bastard too
-- Linus Torvalds
Re:RedHat will use ext3. ReiserFS in your dreams (Score:2)
Re:Do they turn unnecessary services off? (Score:4)
Yes, they've wised up. From their announcement:
Re:Finally... (Score:3)
Re:some of the features (if you care) (Score:3)
Sure. Most of them have added the patches to their current versions. For example, the current KDE CVS tree compiles without any problems (KDE is a good example because it's C++ - and C++ is much stricter than C about many things).
There are some (few) other maintainers who didn't like the patches because they considered them to be workarounds for a "broken" compiler - there's nothing we can do about those, except for waiting for them to realize it's not the case when gcc 3.0 is released.
Re:some of the features (if you care) (Score:2)
At least, they could have chosen something that's binary compatible (I'm thinking C++ ABI) with 2.95.2.
Posting this from Fisher (Score:2)
Re:gcc (Score:3)
kgcc remains there for people who want to use 2.2.x kernels. (gcc 2.96 not being able to compile kernel 2.2.x is a kernel issue, not a gcc issue).
Re:Do they turn unnecessary services off? (Score:2)
Even in previous releases, this stuff wasn't installed if you chose "Workstation"
All of those services are turned off by default in the beta - openssh is up and running, but not much more than that. And there's even a firewall setup during install
Re:PCMCIA flakiness (Score:2)
Some PCMCIA cards won't work anymore (kernel-related)... There was a lot of changes to PCMCIA since 2.2.x, it's now part of the mainstream kernel.
Upgrades have a very slim chance of working - you'll get your machine upgraded, but networking is broken afterwards.
Have they integrated ReiserFS into the install? (Score:3)
Re:Redhat 7 with Oracle on SMP box ? (Score:2)
2.4.1 is out! with reiserfs (Score:2)
Re:gcc (Score:2)
If you had read the release announcement, you would have seen that they are using 2.96-RH which one could assume is a RedHat branch of the GCC 2.96 tree.  So, if 2.96 cannot compile the kernel, then yeah, they will still have the kgcc "nastiness" (although I don't see what the problem is with it -- they used 2.96 for resons that I can't recall at the moment.)
some of the features (if you care) (Score:5)
Re:Do they turn unnecessary services off? (Score:2)
Re:some of the features (if you care) (Score:2)
Well, it means that since I develop my (C++) software with Mandrake 7.2 (gcc 2.95.2), and I *need* to make shared libraries (plugins), RH 7 people cannot use the binaries I build. That's the deal.
Re:Just as I get 7.0 working all nice.. (Score:2)
OH! That just made me think... you still listening Bero? How about a SSH (scp) network install option? Easier to set up and get running (on the machine serving up the files) then FTP, HTTP, NFS, or rlogin... Probably thinner and easier on the client as well.
Anyway, 7.0 was better then 6.2 (which I was very dissapointed in) in every regard.
Bill
Why use Linux at all? (Score:2)
So, I have to ask... Why use Linux at all? You have an Intel SMP development machine. Production boxes run Solaris (I assume, since you said they are 420Rs). Presumeably, you want to develop something on this new Dell and then move it into production on your Sun(s). Why not use another Sun for development? There's a lot of satisfaction in knowing that your dev machines are identical to your production systems (QA becomes orders of magnitude easier, for example). You just have to use Linux? Is it the right OS for the job, or an OS for the job?
I don't mean to sound like a shill for Sun, but this post struck me as odd. Everyone needs a machine they can re-image if their "I wrote this, and it kinda did this instead of this..." software dorks the OS, and Linux is more than fine. Preferrable, even. You might even run an home-built, buggier-than-a-rainforest MP3 server off that same "pre-dev" Linux box (I did for many years), or whatever other wacky things you have going on after seven p.m. But why does Linux have to go on this box? Is it because you have the box already and it's an x86? I'd just really want a dev machine to match a production machine. If at all possible, that is. And it might not be for you.
I guess I'm just missing the point. And I don't know enough about what you do, where, how, etc., etc. So I guess just ignore me... :-)
-B
Thanks Bero! (Score:2)
Long live open-source!
Re:"Fisher" - Evolution of a Name (Score:2)
Are you moderating this down because you disagree with it,
Just as I get 7.0 working all nice.. (Score:2)
What I didn't like about RH 7.0 was the long list of updates and changes I had to do just to get it to a reasonably secure workstation. Of course I did a custom install, picking few packages for my old and small HD, but RH insisted on turning on by default a few packages I decided to install in case I needed them later (NFS, sendmail, etc.). Not to mention the mandatory updates to glibc and all the development packages (essential to the purpose of Linux on the laptop). Finally, I just today compiled 2.4.1 and got all my hardware to work (including one clunky old Soundblaster external CD-ROM that runs off my docking bay). I'm overall very impressed with Linux's support for my laptop hardware (automatically detected video card, etc). My first experience with PCMCIA under Linux was nice too - with a very generic 10 base T PC card to connect to my home network - works like a charm).
So while RH 7.0 was supposedly so bug-filled, it wasn't too hard to update everything to get to almost exactly where 7.1 is now. For those who were turned away from 7.0 hearing it was too buggy and too bloated, those have not been my experiences at all. I look forward to downloading 7.1 when it's officially released to install on any new systems (like the one I have at work, still running 6.1).
Let's hope RH keeps the tradition of making a great