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Reiser Murder Case Gets Stranger 500
Fahrvergnuugen writes "Wired is running a story about how an ex-lover of the missing wife of accused spouse killer Hans Reiser has confessed to killing eight people unrelated to the case. While Reiser will still stand trial for the murder, this development will undoubtedly complicate things."
hmmmm (Score:5, Funny)
Re:hmmmm (Score:5, Funny)
Nope. Heck, kill -8 is just a floating point exception. It's kill -9 that Hans has to worry about.
On the other hand, the guy making the confession did fsck her...
Re:hmmmm (Score:5, Funny)
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Re:hmmmm (Score:5, Funny)
So .... (Score:5, Funny)
Re:So .... (Score:5, Funny)
Re:So .... (Score:5, Funny)
Re:hmmmm (Score:5, Funny)
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true, in fact (Score:5, Funny)
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Last I heard, they still haven't found a body. What Kind of evidence do they have against him outside his wife is still missing. I mean books are nothing more then circumstantial, But then is a ex-lover who turns out to be a serial killer (I believe 5 or more still qualifies). Some blood in the car, was it a lot or an amount that someone could have cut themselve
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Re:hmmmm (Score:4, Insightful)
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If you want to get technical it's not serial killing unless all the killings follow the same motif and/or are part of an overarching "statement" (think of how a serial novel is released as a series of installments). If they were individual pre-planned murders all with their own justification that did not follow any theme then he is a mass murderer. If he just snapped one day and went out and killed 6 or 8 or however many people fo
Bad line wrapping! (Score:5, Insightful)
This is why you don't put a giant 10-word prepositional phrase between a subject and verb, especially if that phrase ends with something that could plausibly by a subject.
Re:Bad line wrapping! (Score:5, Insightful)
Re: Bad line wrapping! (Score:5, Funny)
Re: Bad line wrapping! (Score:4, Funny)
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It'd be a one word propositional phrase that would be one word long. It's you English speakers who put those weird spaces everywhere in compounds. Take, for example, "one word propositional phrase". That's four words. If we write "onewordprepositionalphrase" we only have one word and we saved three characters (and yes, "Einwortpräpositionalphrase" would be a correct and meaningful German compound).
So would you guys please
Re:Bad line wrapping! (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Bad line wrapping! (Score:5, Funny)
Summarizing like a Slashdot editor is more fun.
Re:Bad line wrapping! (Score:5, Interesting)
As I understand it, this is mostly a myth, but without a body it can be awfully hard to prove that the victim is dead in the first place. As an example, spouses in abusive relationships often disappear and hide themselves.
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Pay cash, don't vote, keep your (figurative) nose clean, and be careful.
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just to be clear (Score:5, Informative)
Irrespective of whether Hans is really guilty, if this isn't enough to show a reasonable doubt I don't know what is. In light of this, it would seem quite plausible that he was framed.
Interesting tidbit at the end of TFA:According to testimony in preliminary hearings in the case, Nina Reiser had once dated Sturgeon, but broke off their relationship in January 2006 because she was unhappy with his lifestyle and taste for sadomasochism.
Sounds like they're all a bunch of real whackos!
Re:just to be clear (Score:5, Funny)
Turn in your tinfoil hat... (Score:3, Funny)
Re:just to be clear (Score:4, Funny)
Of course, maybe they just wanted to mix it up a bit for variety, who knows?
Re:just to be clear (Score:5, Insightful)
1) No body, so the prosecution cannot prove that she is even dead.
2) If the IS dead, she recently dated a guy who has confessed to eight killings.
What are the odds that he gets convicted?
Re:just to be clear (Score:5, Interesting)
It also says that if I wanted to frame some guy who I hate because I failed to steal his wife from him, I'd confess to everything but killing the woman, so that the cops will think exactly what you thought. So far in this case it seems the cops have been easy suckers, so it just might work.
Re:just to be clear (Score:5, Interesting)
So's the theory that just because a person confessed to a lot of crimes at once, that it somehow must have been the whole of his sins. It's hard to test whether this theory pans out in reality, since whenever a serial rapist or murderer goes on the block, the prosecutors generally try to stick every open case in the book on them in order to clear out their backlog, whether the person actually committed the crime or not. Of those, I wonder how many were murderers who confessed to the murders of the 5 bodies in their basement in hopes of keeping the investigators from finding the other 20 corpses in the lime pit out back?
an obsession or anger on Sturgeon's part
So this Sturgeon guy tries to steal Hans Reiser's wife, tries to seize his company, tries to take his money, and just keeps coming back for more? Yeah, he can't possibly be obsessed or angry, obviously Reiser must have had a "harass me repeatedly" sign taped to his back.
Re:just to be clear (Score:5, Insightful)
Honestly, whatever he has done on a social level (killing could be considered social interaction) has NOTHING to do with the technical merit/achievements... and we should not abandon his work merely because he (may have) killed his wife.
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Too late... (Score:4, Funny)
We already have dropped Newtonian physics. It's Einstein and Schroedinger we have to worry about now...although rumour has it that Schroedinger may have killed his cat.
I hope Newton was a murderer! (Score:4, Funny)
I'm so sick of gravity.
Do we really need to know the rate of change? duh, its changin or its not.
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Abandoning it because no one else can maintain ReiserFS is a legitimate reason, but I'm certain that someone will be able to figure it out and ma
reasonable? (Score:3, Insightful)
No, it isn't. In fact, it has nothing to do with reason at all, and you yourself indicated as much; it's about an emotional reaction based on a feeling of distastfulness about the action of a person and projecting that feeling to cover the (non-murderous and neutral) code he created.
Logic or ratio has nothing to do with it.
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Reasonable doubt (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Reasonable doubt (Score:5, Funny)
Well, either that, or she was just into psychos.
DIg a little deeper... (Score:3, Interesting)
Sturgeon was allegedly molested as a child which directly motivated the killing of the other eight people AND the development of extreme sado-masochistic sexual tendencies... Which is a purported reason that Hans's woman both began and ended her affair with him.
The missing link is how Hans became friends with this guy and a gossipy answer at this point is that BOTH of them were involved in some very dark sexual practices & became close friends because of this.
Pl
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Urgh. I really hate people like that - I don't know what he did, of course, but this whole thing sure seems to be giving SSC BDSM (which is healthy, fun, and totally normal) a bad name (yet) again. The press doesn't seem to have latched on it ye
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Light on details (Score:3, Interesting)
Does anyone know any more about this Sturgeon guy and his confessions?
Death Yoga (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Death Yoga (Score:5, Funny)
Son of a bitch (Score:3, Informative)
Of-course his guilt is not proven yet. Judging from the B.S. that was happening in that house this was not a happy marriage.
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Reiser's attorney speaks out (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Reiser's attorney speaks out (Score:5, Funny)
Hans shot first. Case closed.
Hans Reiser has not confessed to killing anybody! (Score:5, Informative)
Change the wording of the article! Yes, it's from the original article. But it's very clearly misleading and needs to be changed.
Re:Hans Reiser has not confessed to killing anybod (Score:3, Insightful)
Since you claim to be a C++ programmer, the above might help.
Reiser and Sturgeon had some serious conflicts too (Score:5, Informative)
Apparently Sturgeon was sleeping with Reiser's wife before they finalized the divorce. Also, Reiser accused Sturgeon of trying to steal money from him, and of threatening him. So there's totally motive here for Sturgeon to frame Reiser for the murder.
Re:Reiser and Sturgeon had some serious conflicts (Score:5, Insightful)
A real sharp-witted fellow (Score:4, Interesting)
When this reporter responded that it was relevant, Sturgeon said, "Then you have the answer to your question."
Sturgeon added that confessing was one of the most difficult decisions of his life. He also regrets being a source of distraction in the case, joking that he is not so much a red herring as a "red Sturgeon."
Yep... a regular old Hannibal Lechter. Do you think he might have had some sort of grudge against Reiser? Spurned love, and then his friend gets the girl... yathink? Maybe he set it up so that not only does Reiser lose his wife... but then has to defend a murder case for killing her.
From what's been in the press, it seems that all the evidence is circumstantial. A criminal case can be proven by circumstantial evidence, but only when it's enough to exclude all other reasonable conclusions based on the evidence. Looks like this shoots the prosecution right out of the water.
On the other hand, if the prosecution had this confession a long time ago and they are still moving forward, it's possible they have some other evidence that we don't know about yet.
Let's fix the confusing writeup (Score:5, Informative)
Finally! (Score:4, Funny)
Oh, wait... wrong movie.
muttered "kill -9" and... (Score:4, Funny)
Crazy Soap Opera's (Score:5, Insightful)
Wow, what are the odds? (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Wow, what are the odds? (Score:5, Funny)
But try to discuss the laws of statistics with the ground personnel dimwits at airports...
Re:Wow, what are the odds? (Score:5, Insightful)
Death Yogi (Score:5, Interesting)
This of course can be a strategy in itself, it's a card he's earnt by confessing and can play against Reiser, someone he clearly wants to see lose everything (re 2004 case for attempted seizure of Reiser's business [cbs5.com], Namesys Inc.).
And now for something completely ... serious (Score:3, Insightful)
The hit the ReiserFS took from this is already quite noticable. Yes, it's OSS, so anyone could pick it up. Did you ever LOOK at that source? At the sheer amount of it? Who do you think can pick that up easily? Especially with ext3 getting more and more gadgets and support, and being for some already the superior system?
Please no discussion 'bout ext3 and reiserFS. It's about as meaningful as discussions about emacs and vi.
What matters about those 2 systems is simply that one has a maintainer (group) currently and one hasn't, or at the very least has lost a key developer due to this. Does it make sense to stick with reiserFS or should one start looking around for alternatives is the question. Actually, has been since the arrest of Reiser.
Too confusing (Score:3, Funny)
Still alive? (Score:5, Interesting)
It was also revealed that Nina Reiser obtained Russian citizenship for her daughter 2 years before and surreptitiously obtained Russian citizenship for her son two months before she disappeared.
Now how likely would it be that she is somewhere is big Russia
WTF is wrong with you people? (Score:3)
Seriously, jokes about Hans are disgusting. Please show some dignity and respect.
WTF is wrong with you people? Nothing. (Score:3, Insightful)
Laughter is good even in cases like this (no pun intended) - it helps us to cope and to remember that life is full of more than misery and death. Now if only the cable news netwo
Holy crap (Score:3, Funny)
If Reiser really is the killer after this miracle, it will be the funniest murder ever(not that they're funny, but just saying). Bitch cheats on husband with a serial killer/psychopath. Leaves psycho but geek husband finds out anyway, geek husband reads TFM on homicide and kills wife before psycho gets to her, psycho infuriated to the degree of staunchly defending himself on this one murder (out of he doesn't know how many) in order to get back at husband for killing the woman first.
gag order? (Score:4, Interesting)
How can they gag that? That seems highly relevant to the case, considering that Sturgeon clearly had a grudge against Reiser.
Most of the other posters seem to assume that the case will be dropped because of this, but if the jury is *never allowed to hear about it* how can the come to the pretty reasonable conclusion that the highly circumstantial evidence against Reiser doesn't amount to much when the victim had dated (and dumped) a known serial killer with a grudge against the defendant?
If the prosecution knew about this, why'd they even bring it to trial?
Re:Ouch (Score:5, Informative)
If you can't even RTFA at least read the summary!
"ex-lover of the missing wife of accused spouse killer Hans Reiser has confessed to killing eight people unrelated to the case."
It is not Hans Reiser confessing to eight other killings, it is an EX LOVER of the wife who is confessing to eight other killings.
As far as ReiserFS, I don't really care if that dies since I don't use it myself. I am sure it will still be around a while though no matter what happens.
Re:Ouch (Score:4, Funny)
I'm going to bed.
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Re:The bus factor of OpenSOurce (Score:5, Insightful)
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Namesys (the company behind ReiserFS) is still around even without Hans. You ask "why isn't that happening with ReiserFS" -- but the business behind ReiserFS hasn't even gone away in the first place!
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And if they lay everyone who worked on it off and hire a bunch of foreigners, what then? All you're doing is shifting from one set of problems to another.
why isn't that happening with ReiserFS
Good question, it might be that the assumption is that Hans Reiser didn't do it, and will resume working on it. Maybe the assumption is that he did do it, and he'll kill anyone who tries to take the project a
Re:The bus factor of OpenSOurce (Score:4, Funny)
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I do? (Score:5, Insightful)
"MS is going on without Gates at the helm..."
"And HP is getting along fine without Carly." my point; WITH her, they were not getting along so well.
Re:I do? (Score:5, Funny)
Come on Dude, don't be so hard on yourself.
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Re:Ya prove my point (Score:3, Informative)
I wouldn't hold Fiorina up as a shining example of leadership. She pretty much singlehandedly gave HP the biggest case of corporate indigestion since AOHell/Time-Warner with Compaq, drove off a good share of the company talent pool with drama queen theatrics, and was finally thrown out of office by the board of directors...
Not something I'd care to be known for...
Re:What are the odds? (Score:5, Interesting)
"Though no body has been found, Reiser was arrested Oct. 10 after the Oakland Police Department found small drops of blood in his house and in his Honda CRX"
Makes it a little fishy although I am sure I have small drops of blood around my house and in my cars too from small cuts and stuff happening while doing stuff outside. I would hope they need more than that to tie the "murder" to him. I think she just took off somewhere myself, I mean she was cheating on him so I don't think it is too far out of the ballpark.
Re:What are the odds? (Score:5, Interesting)
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>hasn't been recovered yet.
I understand all about rules of evidence and presumption of innocence, but this was a very strange detail.
I've been a vintage car enthusiast for a long, long time, and I could probably name the time, place, and parties to almost every single car part that was ever traded, installed, or removed from one of my cars. I'd definitely be able to tell you what happened to something as
Re:What are the odds? (Score:4, Insightful)
Yeah, sure you could. However, if you were accused of murder, the first thing you'd do would be to shut your mouth and tell no-one anything about anything (including car seats), besides your lawyer of course.
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I'll bet there are small drops of most peoples blood in their cars and houses. People bleed, it happens. This alone should not be taken as strong evidence of anything other than a bloody nose or cut finger.
Re:What are the odds? (Score:5, Funny)
Re:What are the odds? (Score:5, Interesting)
There's at the very least a chance she stage her own disappearance to get Hans in trouble and went back to Russia and got her kids brought there.
Re:For those of us who don't keep track... (Score:5, Funny)
"Nicholas Cage in... HellReiser!"
Re:Unlikely conincidence.. (Score:5, Insightful)
It depends upon the motivation, the stakes. I wouldn't kill someone for money. I wouldn't kill them for revenge. I wouldn't kill them because they angered me. On the other hand, say you tried to kill my fiancee: I'd murder you in a heartbeat without batting an eye. Now, even if I escaped official punishment I would pay a high price for that act. Most of us would, but we're all capable of murder, at some level. We have to be, because sometimes
You're right in that by far the majority of us won't kill for trivial reasons, although one has to wonder how much of that reluctance is due to the sanctions imposed by society against such behavior, or some intrinsic aversion to killing. Sociopathy, to varying degrees, is more common than one might want to believe, so maybe all that's keeping murder in check is the fear of consequences. I mean, all societies feel the need to impose severe punishment for murder, which leads me to believe that, at the core, we aren't quite as civilized as we think we are.
Besides, O.J. Simpson killed two people in cold blood, and in spite of substantially more incriminating evidence, O.J. managed to get off scott free. O.J. had mountains of money to spend on his Dream Team though.
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This isn't to say I agree with such tactics, but double jeopardy means that they have t
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Yeah, but he's still recoverable even though you improperly shut him down.
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