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Ext3cow Versioning File System Released For 2.6
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kdawson
on Wed May 02, 2007 08:02 AM
from the have-a-cow-man dept.
from the have-a-cow-man dept.
Zachary Peterson writes "Ext3cow, an open-source versioning file system based on ext3, has been released for the 2.6 Linux kernel. Ext3cow allows users to view their file system as it appeared at any point in time through a natural, time-shifting interface. This is can be very useful for revision control, intrusion detection, preventing data loss, and meeting the requirements of data retention legislation. See the link for kernel patches and details."
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So which is it? (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:So which is it? (Score:5, Informative)
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Can't tell, its slashdotted (Score:3, Informative)
I can't tell, the site is experiencing the /. effect.
/usr/src type : patch -p1 linux-2.6.20.3-ext3cow.patch
Mirror of the patch (I grabbed it when I saw this in the firehose) can be grabbed here [echoreply.us] until my server gets sluggish too.
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The site said its not been tested with other kernel versions, but if you feel brave just s/linux-2\.6\.20\.3/your-version/g. Haven't tried it, but should work.
It wen't dark just around the time I was getting the docs and uti
What a name (Score:3, Funny)
Overhead? (Score:3, Interesting)
Does it store many copies of each file? or only the differences between the old and the new version?
Re:Overhead? (Score:4, Informative)
It's a bit dry, but there is an explanation of how it stores the versions, plus some performance benchmarks.
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Couldn't read TFA (slashdotted), but I would *imagine* that 'cow' is copy on write and that it just uses new blocks for the changes - so only the differences, but not minimal differences.
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CVS/Subversion replacement ? (Score:5, Interesting)
Never tinkered with any of these filesystems, but wouldnt it be very comfortable for at least us developers to have a filesystem that worked something like Subversion. Just hook up something on the network and use it as the central code repository.
The C in CVS. (Score:5, Informative)
Sure you can "go back in time", but two users working on the same file at the same time would be a pain. Networking would require additional layers - even plain SAMBA/NFS, but still. Plus a bunch of userspace utilities as UI to access it easily.
It's not bad as a backend for such a system, just like MySQL is good as a backend for a website, but by itself it's pretty much worthless.
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True undelete (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:True undelete (Score:4, Informative)
The second argument is that it's better handled in user space, so the OS doesn't have to make that sort of policy. There's no reason you can't just alias rm to some
The final argument I can come up with is security problems. We can't have one global
Reading historic archives of the LKML [iu.edu] suggests it's at least come up once. I guess Torvald's opinion is that anything that CAN go in the userspace SHOULD. Can't explain the webserver in kernel though. Perhaps that opinion has changed some time in the last 10 years?
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VMS file versions someone? (Score:4, Interesting)
In VMS if you had a file named article.txt, each time you modified and saved it in editor, a new version was created named article.txt;1 article.txt;2 article.txt;3 and so forth. So after a long session of edit and saves you could end up with a hundred copies of file in your directory. A lot of clutter in the directory but easy access to older versions of the files.
With Ext2cow you basically get the same functionality in a bit different way. By default you see only article.txt file. If you need to access a previous version of the file you need to specify a cryptic code like this: article.txt@10233745. A bit cumbersome but, hey, how often you access older version of your file anyways. Looks better than VMS' approach.
This filesystem seems like a perfect solution for me as I am writing my Ph.D thesis. Currently I take backup every day and name it thesis20070420.tar.bz2, thesis200070421.tar.bz2, thesis20070422.tar.bz2 and so forth in case I need to go back and see how it looked some time ago.
However, in my home directory I have a lot of large audio and video files that I would never want to be versioned. I wander if Ext3cow keeps extra copies of the files if I move them around, change file named but do not modify the content. Probably I would have to make a new partition and put my text files I am working on there under Ext3cow and leave my media files on ext3.
Security, backups (Score:3, Interesting)
- what are the security considerations here?
- can you delete the
Re:VMS file versions someone? (Score:4, Interesting)
You really should use it. It's much easier to set up than you'd think, especially if you're on a Debian/Ubuntu box. If you use the file:/// syntax, you don't even need any kind of daemon or http server running; the client can do everything on its own. Say your thesis is currently sitting in ~/thesis, it's this easy to set up:
sudo apt-get install subversion
svnadmin create ~/thesisrepo
svn import ~/thesis file:///home/${USER}/thesisrepo -m "Initial import"
mv thesis thesisbackup
svn co file:///home/${USER}/thesisrepo thesis
That's it, you're done. ~/thesis is now a working copy of your repository, the repository itself (which will hold all versions of your files) is contained in ~/thesisrepo, and your original folder is backed up as ~/thesisbackup.
To work on your thesis, go into ~/thesis and start writing as you've always done. When you want to save a snapshot of the current state of your thesis (i.e. commit your changes), open a bash terminal, go into ~/thesis and type svn ci -m "some message". That's it. Much easier than running a backup; you can just stick it in a daily (even hourly) cron job. To back up all versions of the thesis on removable media, tar up the ~/thesisrepo folder and put it somewhere safe.
There's a bit more to know about it; namely you need to tell subversion when you add, remove, move or rename files. A good source for that is the Subversion Book [red-bean.com], specifically Chapter 2.
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some background (Score:5, Informative)
I'm answering questions that people posted so far altogether.
It is a file system. You access old snapshot by appending '@timestamp' to your file name. You have to first instruct ext3cow to take a snapshot first before you can retrieve old copies, otherwise it simply behaves like ext3. It appears that snapshot is always performed on a directory and applies to all inodes (files and subdirectories) under it.
My complaint is its use of '@' to access snapshot. Why not use '?' and make it look like a url query? Better yet, use a special prefix '.snapshot/' like NetApp file servers.
ext3cow takes it's name from "copy on write," and it does this on the block level. When you modify a file, it appears to the file system that you're modifying a block of e.g. 4096 bytes. COW preserves the old block while constructing a new file using the blocks you modified plus the blocks you didn't modify.
You can think about it as block-level version control. However, when you save a file, most programs simply write a whole new file (I'm only aware of mailbox programs that try to append or modify in-place). Block-level copy on write is unlikely to buy you anything in practical use.
Only when you remember to make a snapshot of your whole directory. An hourly cron-job would do, maybe. There is always the possibility you delete a file before a snapshot is made.
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Re:Excellent work but... (Score:4, Insightful)
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Re:Excellent work but... (Score:4, Insightful)
(Disclaimer: Linux is excellent) But is compatibility even guaranteed at source code level?
Here are some specific examples where source level API changes have occurred:
1. Consider that up to linux-2.6.6 all SATA disks were treated as IDE PATA disks accessible via /dev/hd*, but in linux-2.6.7 they started to be treated as SATA disks only accessible via /dev/sd*. This changeover caused existing SATA disk systems to become unbootable after upgrading to linux-2.6.7 because the boot device at /dev/hd* was no longer accessible. Never documented in kernel/Documentation/*
2. And between linux-2.6.15 and linux-2.6.20 the way the usb subsystem handled usb devices was changed so that usermode usb drivers like the usermode speedtouch driver was broken due to kernel returning EINVAL from each USBDEVFS_SUBMITURB command which is required after a USBDEVFS_CONTROL command issued by the modem_run ADSL line monitoring process. This generates thousands of error messages per second via syslogd. No news of this particular aspect of the usb changes was ever documented in kernel/Documentation/*.
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Re:Can No One Else INNOVATE? (Score:4, Insightful)
Go away MacTroll...
Veritas VxFS has had this for years. Snapshotting has been implemented in the Linux LVM layer for ages. This is just another way to do it.
I don't know anything about the technical implementation of Vista Shadow Copies or Apple's Time Machine, but if it's anything like ZFS [wikipedia.org] then I'll be impressed. I believe there are rumours about the next release of OS X using ZFS (which was developed by Sun), but I'll believe it when I see it.
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