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Two Major Debian Releases In One Day
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kdawson
on Sun Apr 08, 2007 02:19 AM
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AndyCater writes "If all goes according to plan, Debian should release both an update to Debian Sarge (3.1r6, henceforth to be oldstable) and a new stable release (Debian 4.0, which was codenamed Etch) — and announce the results of the election for Debian Project Leader — all within 12 hours. Sarge was updated late on April 7th UTC, Sam Hocevar was announced as DPL at about 00:30 UTC, and preparations for the release of Debian Etch are ongoing and look good for later on the 8th."
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An anonymous reader writes "Earlier today we discussed the possibility that Debian Etch might be released soon. Well, according to debian.org, it has already happened. Etch has been released: 'The Debian Project is pleased to announce the official release of Debian GNU/Linux version 4.0, codenamed etch, after 21 months of constant development. Debian GNU/Linux is a free operating system which supports a total of eleven processor architectures and includes the KDE, GNOME and Xfce desktop environments. It also features cryptographic software and compatibility with the FHS v2.3 and software developed for version 3.1 of the LSB.'"
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TWO! in one day? (Score:5, Funny)
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Re:TWO! in one day? (Score:5, Informative)
Debian is one of the great old distros that just keeps getting better and not by adding frills. It is a large distro on many architectures supported by package managers from around the world. It is not hard to install as the reputation was. It is huge with many thousands of packages all smoothly (well, mostly ;-) integrated. I favour it for anyone migrating from that other OS, a new installation or on a large or small system.
One of the neat features of Debian Etch is the smooth set of packages for installing LTSP (See http://ltsp.org/ [ltsp.org] ). One can go into a school on the weekend, set up a server and support all the old equipment as thin clients whether they be iMacs, i386, i486, P-what-evers and manage hundreds of accounts by Monday.
I have been using Testing for a couple of months and there are few bugs. Nothing has prevented me from using it in production.
Congratulations, Debian.org!
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Re:TWO! in one day? (Score:5, Funny)
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http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/200
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Re:TWO! in one day? (Score:5, Funny)
Now Debian also delays april fools jokes?
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Hmm... I can still see bugs in their tracker (Score:5, Interesting)
Have they decided to postpone their resolution until R2?
Re:Hmm... I can still see bugs in their tracker (Score:5, Informative)
The official release-critical bug tracker[1] is still not updated to handle "versioned bug-reports". Meaning it counts _all_ open bug reports, while in reality the bug might be "closed" in the _version_ of the package in Etch but the entire bug in not closed (because it still effects Sarge and older?). So the official sources are a bit misleading.
A debian developer called "Sesse" has an updated tracker[2]. This one gives a bit better indication about the truth. Hopefully his code will be moved over to become the official version.
As also previously mentioned, Andreas "aba" Barth has his own bug tracking tool[3]. This gives a bit more information about each release-critical bug and has filtering capabilities.
All sources indicate that there are many "RC" bugs left, but using aba's tool[3] you can see that most open bug reports are security issues. Security issues will come up all the time. There is already infrastructure in place to provide security updates for the stable distribution, so there's no need to hold back the release because of these issues as they can be fixed at any time.
The few remaining issues are new bugs that has just recently surfaces and hasn't yet been analyzed. They might have a too high severity set, noone knows until they have been analyzed. This also doesn't give much reason to hold back the released, there will always be a few really new bugs that there hasn't been time to analyze yet.
All in all, having all bugs fixed looks promising, even if noone can promise that the CD-images are 100% bug-free.
[1] http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ [debian.org]
[2] http://people.debian.org/~sesse/bugscan/ [debian.org]
[3] http://bts.turmzimmer.net/details.php?bydist=etch [turmzimmer.net]
Regards,
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Great News (Score:5, Informative)
This means we can finally start buying new Dell Servers again, instead of relying on ebay to obtain servers that had hard disks compatible with the stable release of debian. For the past two years, Dell had been phasing in new Sata drivers that sarge just refused to work with, but that etch has had no problems with. Hurray! Any chance of an upgrade path so we don't have to support both sarge AND etch?
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It depends on your /etc/apt/sources.list.
Each line will either end with the word "Etch" or "Testing".
If it ends with Etch, then you will stay with Etch (Stable).
If it ends with Testing, then you will start getting the new Testing packages.
Probably the best thing to do is to stay with Etch for a couple of months while the new Testing settles down, then dist-upgrade back to Testing.
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Re:Great News (Score:5, Informative)
The reason I suggested staying with Etch for a little while is that there is likely to be some breakage in Testing as the backlog of Unstable updates move into Testing. For newbies (like the GP), this can be disconcerting.
If it's only a couple of months, the dist-upgrade back to testing isn't likely to be too big of a deal. I think Testing is the sweet-spot for the desktop, so it makes sense to be there, but Testing can be a little unstable immediately after a release.
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Sam Hocevar won DPL elections (Score:5, Informative)
the devs must be observing passover : ) (Score:5, Funny)
well that's at least my theory : D
List of Etch release parties (Score:5, Interesting)
http://wiki.debian.org/ReleasePartyEtch [debian.org]
The Wow Starts Now! (Score:5, Interesting)
Two releases in one day! This is like a turtle suddenly accelerating to lightspeed. It should shut up the people who say the Debian cycle is slow! Good thing they've nearly caught up to Windows; only 2.0 more versions to go!
In all seriousness, this stable came out over a year more quickly than 3.0 -> 3.1. That's nice to see. I'm looking forward to giving it a whirl.
Back to normal? (Score:5, Informative)
1.1 - 1.2: 6 months
1.2 - 1.3: 6 months
1.3 - 2.0: 13 months
2.0 - 2.1: 8 months
2.1 - 2.2: 17 months
2.2 - 3.0: 23 months
3.0 - 3.1: 35 months
3.1 - 4.0: 20 months
I think that 18 months is a reasonable amount of time between stable releases. If Debian can stick close to that in the future then I will be happy.
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finally, sid and testing can get moving again (Score:5, Interesting)
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Article? (Score:5, Funny)
Where's the actual source for this posting? (Score:5, Informative)
The ISOs for Etch are already out there... (Score:5, Informative)
Use the "bt-cd" or "bt-dvd" sub-directories for the torrents. The torrents are well seeded, I'm getting 3MB/sec (24mbps) download speeds right now.
A few useful torrent links:
i386:
http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/release/4.0_r0/
http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/release/4.0_r0/
http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/release/4.0_r0/
AMD 64:
http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/release/4.0_r0/
http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/release/4.0_r0/
http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/release/4.0_r0/
Sean