Fedora Core 6 Released 230
Shadowman writes "Fedora Core 6 has been released. Recommended download method is via BitTorrent. For more information, see the release notes or the Fedora homepage.
Slashdot interviewed the Fedora Project Leader back in August."
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If the distribution maintainers did mid-cycle upgrades in such a fashion, it would mean that if you ever patched or updated your dist, you'd risk random things just not working anymore.
While it would be nice, it currently just isnt possible. Maybe in the future we'll be ultra-virtualized and every application will be bundled w
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Apps are _sometimes_ backported, but only when they appear at current_stable+1 repositories. That doesn't happen very often.
Edgy (6.10, to be released in a few days) has FF 2.0, but only because they started with beta. Breezy (released a year ago, iirc few weeks before FF 1.5) didn't have FF 1.5 - it had 1.5.0.7. It wasn't even backported from Dapper repos (there were too many dependencies... for example gnome help was (maybe still is) rendered via FF). So unless you wanted to
Fedora 6 patches to KDE are buggy, unpolished (Score:5, Interesting)
Some of the Fedora 6 changes (like taking away MP3 playing capability from KDE music players) are justified on a legal basis, but other changes (like using a 4-year old window decoration and widget styles) are at best the result of ineptitude or at worst a deliberate attempt to make KDE look bad and outdated.
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The missing default support for formats (such as MPEG-1 Audio Layer 3) that rest on shaky FOSS distribution grounds has nothing to do with Fedora's KDE. Of course it's exluded from the GNOME apps too, and it's as easily fixed with KDE as it is with GNOME. Add your favourite 3rd party RPM repositories and use yum.
There is no anti-KDE consp
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Fedora is definitely the worst offender when it comes to KDE support. Instead of their crappy old "blue curve" theme and replacing all the KDE default apps with crappy gnome ones (File Roller anyone?) it would be much preferable for them to just leave KDE alone... just let the defaults fall where they may as they come from the KDE gods.
I use Gentoo on my desktop... so I _know_ how good KDE can be when not messed with. I use FC5 (and 6 as soon as possible) on my laptop (I like the network
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I was so sick of linux going in a downward spiral while I used Fedora and SuSE. Ubuntu is up to date and very stable and easy to use. I highly recommend it.
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Another excellent reason to use Debian. You'll never fall behind.
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Do they have some magical way of updating a burnt CD/DVD that we are all unaware of? If not, then there's likely no difference from what you are talking about and simply updating your system via "yum" or the like.
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They only did this because:
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In my experience, he who laughs last didn't get the joke.
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http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/YumUpgradeFaq [fedoraproject.org]
Simply use this rpm instead of the one on that site.
http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux
Dont forget to do yum update before and after.
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To avoid this, check out the schedule [fedoraproject.org] - though of course this should be easier to find from the Fedora site's front page...
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It would be better if this link was at the download sites for Fedora Core.
It's a bit like finding out that the bus/train schedules have been cancelled only when you are trying to get home in the evening, because the company only put the notices on one side of the station doors.
To add my story (Score:2)
Then I looked on Slashdot and found that FreeBSD 6.0 had just come out. Literally 20 seconds after the discs had finished burning.
I'm still pissed about that now.
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Jiggly Windows
(FC6 comes with AIGLX)
Friedmud
Jiggly windows was apparently top priority (Score:2)
YAWN.
Are they shipping a Network Manager package that works better than the command line tools yet? Oh, only if you use a wireless chipset that one of the Fedora devs happens to have on his laptop, eh? That's what I thought.
Seriously, I have nothing against the Fedora team - this is not meant to be a flame - but their priorities are so far away from mine (mine include bulletproof wireless access and security managment with WPA, 8
Multimedia support (Score:5, Informative)
15.3. MP3, DVD, and Other Excluded Multimedia Formats
Fedora Core and Fedora Extras software repositories cannot include support for MP3 or DVD video playback or recording. The MP3 formats are patented, and the patent holders have not provided the necessary patent licenses. DVD video formats are patented and equipped with an encryption scheme. The patent holders have not provided the necessary patent licenses, and the code needed to decrypt CSS-encrypted discs may violate the Digital Millennium Copyright Act, a copyright law of the United States. Fedora also excludes other multimedia software due to patent, copyright or license restrictions, including Adobe's Flash Player and and Real Media's Real Player. For more on this subject, please refer to http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ForbiddenItems [fedoraproject.org].
While other MP3 options may be available for Fedora, Fluendo now offers a free MP3 plugin for GStreamer that has the necessary patent license for end users. This plugin enables MP3 support in applications that use the GStreamer framework as a backend. Fedora does not include this plugin since we prefer to support and encourage the use of patent unrestricted open formats instead. For more information about the MP3 plugin, visit Fluendo's website at http://www.fluendo.com/ [fluendo.com].
Bah - that's what Livna is for :) (Score:4, Informative)
URL's for alternate repos: (Score:4, Informative)
Dag [wieers.com]
Cheers! /P
Re:Bah - that's what Livna is for :) (Score:5, Informative)
Not only that, but in FC6 you can enable Livna right in the installer. So your system will have MP3/DVD/etc. support right at first boot.
Just point it at http://rpm.livna.org/fedora/6/[arch] and those packages will magically appear as install options. Yay!
(link: http://rpm.livna.org/fedora/6/ [livna.org])
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Obviously the general case of that feature is that you can specify your own URL for external repositories -- be they livna, dag, or your own custom repo.
Livna Respin (Score:2)
But it would be a good idea for someone to offer Fedora+Livna respin DVD/CD's, that have all the missing packages on the disc.
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They mean gratis, not necessarily freedom. (Score:3, Insightful)
They mean gratis, not that this plugin necessarily gives you the freedoms of free software (for those of you who live in countries saddled with software patents). You could install and run this plugin but doing so would be installing non-free software on your machine. For the rest of you, the Fluendo GStreamer MP3 plugin is free software, licensed under the MIT X11 license. Richard Stallman, found
But does it come with... (Score:3, Funny)
Mandatory Zod quote (Score:4, Funny)
Okay, I got it out of my system now...
ZOD!!!!!
Re:Mandatory Zod quote (Score:5, Funny)
You should see the announcement they posted to the mailing list:
It goes on to link to release notes and such, then adds this note:
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https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-announce-l
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It's interesting that they chose to call this release "Zod." The traditional Red Hat maintainer of XFree86/Xorg, Mike Harris, for a long time went by the alternate nickname of "zod" on IRC support channels and the like. He left Red Hat a little while ago, and now this release bears this name. I have no idea if there was any intentional connection.
ObTrivia: In case you missed the other fifty explanations, General Zod is the leader of the Krypton villains in Superman II.
Release Notes Mirror & Thoughts (Score:5, Informative)
Things I'm finding interesting are:
Section 9 (Desktop Effects) Looks like its just AIGLX, not Xgl (in fact there's no mention of Xgl).
Section 17 (Virtualization) FC6 uses Xen 3.0.2, I know Xen was in FC5 but I haven't had a chance to play with it. The release notes mention something about it being connected with the installer, so perhaps I'll get a chance.
Section 22 (Package Changes) Interesting removals IMHO are: mozilla, xscreensaver, gkrellm. I'm sure all can be found in the Fedora Extra's Repo or some place similar. I'm not a big fan of where some of the desktop apps are going (eg. I hate gnome-screensaver), but the beauty of Linux is it's quite simple to solve this problem.
Re:Release Notes Mirror & Thoughts (Score:5, Informative)
Fully-implemented AIGLX pretty much makes Xgl obsolete. Compiz runs on top of AIGLX now, and compiz is shipping with Fedora. That means all the "bling" normally associated with "Xgl" is available.
> Section 17 (Virtualization) FC6 uses Xen 3.0.2
Xen 3.0.3 was released on the 17th, in time to get included. The release-schedule slippage had a silver lining.
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"Spending an hour installing a system, then spending another hour updating that system is maddening."
Try Windows.
;)
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It made me switch to Linux.
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For fresh installs, I suppose you could build a network installer CD based on yum. Not sure if I would want to download & install everything over the net though....
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That has less to do with RPM vs. APT (which isn't really a valid comparison, as rpm is the equivalent of .deb and/or dpkg, while yum is a more, er, apt comparison to apt) and more to do with the installer only looking in one place.
To half-answer your question,
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That's what I'm referring to, because that's how it's been.
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Found this in the Release Summary [fedoraproject.org]:
It doesn't
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If this is a big problem, why not maintain a local cache of the updates?
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BTW, for the record, I run Debian on all my other machines, but the Debian packages for Myth are no longer being maintained, so FC5 was my only option.
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That only means that you and almost every other person you know is dumb enough not to read documentation about the tools they try to use.
"When is the Fedora project going to start fixing its bugs instead of just pushing out bleeding edge packages?"
Plain simple: never.
It is not as if it were a deeply hidden fact; it's even on the fundational papers
Re:Not to troll, but... (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Not to troll, but... (Score:5, Informative)
Rather than repeat a lot of that stuff here, I'll just post the link.
http://interviews.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/
There are lots of folks out there who use Fedora as a production server. There are many other who choose to use RHEL, or CentOS. But just because there are multiple choices doesn't mean that each distribution has to be pigeon-holed into things that it "is for" or "is not for".
A house built on sand... (Score:2)
rpm has a number of features which IMHO should not have been implemented at all (subpackaging being the most egregious in the list, although the macro format would be close) which are used on a routine basis. The specfiles are consistently of a hideous standard from what I have seen as well...they are utterly incomprehensi
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I'm not exactly sure that all of the complaints about RPM really stack up. RPM by itself is not inherently broken. It's actually a solid format for distributing source and binary software.
I think a number of the early complains about RPM stem from Red Hat's initial lack of a solid package dependency resolver and downloader like apt for Debian. In recent years this has been addressed by the likes of Yum [duke.edu] and the very promising Smart [labix.org] package managers.
I have yet to see a trully perfect package management
Re:Not to troll, but... (Score:5, Insightful)
The whole point of Fedora is to be bleeding edge, not to be 100% stable. Fedora introduces bleeding edge features, and Red Hat fixes the features, that's how it is, and that's how it is supposed to be. If you can't cope with bleeding edge features that are not guaranteed to be stable, then Fedora is simply not for you.
Ubuntu makes Fedora look like useless because those teams work hard on bug fixes.
Ubuntu aims for usability and stability, Fedora aims for bleeding edge. Different distros, different goals. Use the right tool for your job.
Fedora user since 2.0, no trouble (Score:2)
Fedora and .x releases (Score:2)
A while back someone made an interesting observation about the Red Hat and Fedora release cycles. Every 6-10 months they'd release a new version, and every 3 or 4 releases was a major departure from the previous one.
Red Hat 6.0, 6.1, 6.2
Red Hat 7.0, 7.1, 7.2, 7.3
Red Hat 8, 9, Fedora Core 1
Fedora Core 2, 3, 4
etc.
Red Hat 8 was a big departure from Red Hat 7.3, but RH9 and FC1 were more refinements than major changes. Then FC2 jumped to the 2.6 ker
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I don't know exactly why, but I don't agree with other commenters that it's just a matter of FC being on the "bleeding edge." RH was far closer to the bleeding edge in the early days, and yet they did better. Perhaps there's a fine line between being daring and inno
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FWIW, I regularly see messages on the tomcat-users mailing list from people having trouble with seemingly-routine things. Almost always, if they're running Linux, it's FC. I don't know if there's something wrong with the Java port or what, but it caught my attention after just 2-3 weeks on the list. Usually they recommend CentOS (or Ubuntu if the person's developing on their own machine).
Just
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The hardware in question is 64 bit HP ZV6000 series laptop. The included ATI XPRESS 200M video card is problematic under Linux (at least it was when I got the laptop about a year and a half ago). Ubuntu would not run X at all. Fedora worked "out of the box" (with the VESA Driver, but still...).
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I tried putting Ubuntu LTS on my girlfriend's laptop months ago. That was their heralded stable release. The install went okay at first, but one update on the apt repos turned the system into an unrecoverable mess. It even somehow managed to install Xubuntu packages without asking (all I did was a simple apt update in aptitude).
After being scared shitless by what happened, I tried Fedora Core 5 and crossed my fingers. System install was smooth, full update, n
For all those frustrated Fedora installers... (Score:2)
I'm going to post this because I think it's going to be helpful.
Fedora is my favorite distro, even though it's frustrating.
The main reason why it's frustrating is because Fedora doesn't bother to update their release images once they hit "gold", which is when the distro gets into real testing, and then the bugs start showing up. They're already moving towards the next release.
But I love how many choices of repositories I get for prepackaged goodies for Fedora (Livna, RPMForge, FreshRPMS, PlanetCCRMA, et
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Who cares? (Score:3, Informative)
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I guess I did have to grab the mplayer codec package to satisfy a few of their media dependencies too...
The cutover was eased by the fact that I've had them doing:
a) running with limi
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I call bullshit.
CentOS? (Score:2)
Also, I spent the day mapping configurations between Debian and RHEL. It was not fun.
Could someone please, pretty please, come up with some kind of XML file to abstract everything commonly found in a linux
Then we could have one configuration tool for the XML file, instead of having to use hundreds of tools (system-config-foobar, dselect reconfigure foobar) or learn h
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Huh? Most desktop Linux users like running the latest and greatest which is clearly not what CentOS is intended to do. That's why Fedora and the Ubuntus exist, for desktop users to have all the latest versions before they're completely tested.
Not to mention that Fedora is essentially the test bed for RedHat, which is what CentOS carbon copys itself from. So essentially, if you use CentOS, you need people to use Fedora to ensure your co
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Your new version is going to have to read the old config file formats for compatibility for bob-knows-how-many years anyway, so now not only do you need to support XML, you still have to support J.Q.Random's BNF, and a converter between the XML and the old config format.
Good luck getting the glibc guys to support a new
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I use CentOS on a couple servers now. My desktops are primarily Fedora Core 5 with a recent OpenSuSe and Ubuntu additions. FC5 has Xen which works really well. SELinux works better in FC5 than in CentOS. More choice in the Extra repository than with CentOS. It's a PITA to put FC5 on a server mainly because of the one year lifespan. There's Fedora Legacy, but it's going through some issues at the moment. CentOS4.4 tracks RHEL4U4, so has a coupl
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It is a nice mix of modern but stable. Fedora is cutting if not bleeding edge. If you are going to run server then CentOS is a much better solution then Fedora. For a desktop... I use OpenSuse and Ubuntu.
Firefox (Score:2)
Before I get all excited... (Score:3, Funny)
Yes, they're sure. (Score:5, Informative)
Through the magic of Bittorrent I'm downloading the official release faster than their server can manage right now.
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Have you tried installing Fedora with the text installer (IIRC, type "text" at the prompt)? Have to tried installing Ubuntu with the text installer (the alternate cd, not the desktop cd)? Have you tried OpenSUSE*?
* Give it a try. It definitely has polis
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"until I buy a new system 3 years from now."
The way the Vista EULA has been looking, you'd best buy two copies of Vista, then.
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Today, I use ubuntu, but I do have to say that gentoo is way the hell more configurable. Set your USE flags, and everything gets installed with the proper options.
There's broken dependencies in ubuntu. For example defoma depends on the freetype module for perl to run defoma-hints for at least truetype fonts, but it doesn't depend on it so I couldn't add a TTF to my system. (Hopefully I'll remember to install it
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Don't you mean yum to apt? Or rpm to deb ?
After using both it seems kinda 6 of one, half a dozen of the other to me.
Yum does an update before upgrading packages, while apt needs to have update called first. Some times I prefer the former behaviour(make sure I'm getting the latest), sometimes the latter(just give me the package that I've already got meta-data on).
The differences though seem to be small enough these days that it doesn't really matter as long as you h
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Re:FC5 release was not a failure [feeding the trol (Score:2)
I'm not sure if the ability to download from repos like livna from the installer now are a result of those discussions.
And from what I've seen on here and digg, the main instigator is interested in Linspire now. A shame, because his complaining, as untactful as it m
Re:FC5 release was not a failure [feeding the trol (Score:2)
I've only done two installs of FC5, and only about a dozen FC4, but have had no problems other
Yes. It worked in FC5 and it still works now. (Score:3, Informative)
The firmware is freely available from http://ipw2200.sourceforge.net/ [sourceforge.net] or the livna repo.
HTH HAND kthxbye.
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