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Flash 9 Beta for Linux Available

Posted by samzenpus on Thu Oct 19, 2006 06:49 AM
from the watch-it-now dept.
DemiKnute writes "According to the official Penguin.SWF blog, the a beta release of the long-awaited Flash 9 for Linux is available for download, a mere year after the release for Windows." From the blog: "While we are still working out exactly how to distribute the final Player version to be as easy as possible for the typical end user, this beta includes 2 gzip'd tarball packages: one is for the Mozilla plugin and the other is for a GTK-based Standalone Flash Player. Either will need to be downloaded manually via the Adobe Labs website and unpacked. The standalone Player (gflashplayer) can be run in place (after you set its executable permission). The plugin is dropped into your local plugin directory (for a local user) or the system-wide plugin directory." Report bugs here.
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  • AMD64 version? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by andersa (687550) on Thursday October 19 2006, @06:54AM (#16499481)
    Will there be a 64 bit version for us AMD64 users?

    I can't play flash animations on my Turion laptop with Debian AMD64 installed.
    • Re:AMD64 version? (Score:4, Informative)

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 19 2006, @06:58AM (#16499493)
      Adobe have said no in the past, just install a 32-bit web browser instead of your 64-bit one.
      Yeah, it's a pain, but you only need to do it once.

      Why not say something into adobe.com/go/wish ?
      [ Parent ]
      • Re:AMD64 version? (Score:5, Insightful)

        by Bert64 (520050) <<moc.eeznerif.todhsals> <ta> <treb>> on Thursday October 19 2006, @07:27AM (#16499713)
        (http://www.ev4.org/)
        Which is a huge nuisance, why should adobe be able to hold people back from moving to 64bit architectures?
        [ Parent ]
        • Re:AMD64 version? (Score:5, Insightful)

          by tomstdenis (446163) <tomstdenisNO@SPAMgmail.com> on Thursday October 19 2006, @07:29AM (#16499737)
          (http://libtom.org/)
          They do what?

          I run 64-bit OSes on both my AMD and Intel boxes. Flash be damned for all I care.

          Tom
          [ Parent ]
        • Re:AMD64 version? (Score:4, Insightful)

          by Richard_at_work (517087) <richardprice.gmail@com> on Thursday October 19 2006, @08:11AM (#16500183)
          What benefit does a 64bit architecture have for web browsing? Why would running a web browser in 32bit mode have any negative effect on uptake of 64bit OSes?
          [ Parent ]
          • Re:AMD64 version? (Score:5, Informative)

            by bug1 (96678) on Thursday October 19 2006, @08:37AM (#16500517)
            "Why would running a web browser in 32bit mode have any negative effect on uptake of 64bit OSes?"

            It makes the distribution much more complex to have combinations of 32 and 64 bit applications and libraries.

            I assume all the libraries of a 32 bit app on a 64 bit system would haveto be 32 bit as well, look at all the libraries effected...

            # ldd /usr/lib/firefox/firefox-bin
            libmozjs.so => /usr/lib/libmozjs.so (0x00002b566e625000)
            libxpcom.so => /usr/lib/libxpcom.so (0x00002b566e7bb000)
            libxpcom_core.so => not found
            libplc4.so => /usr/lib/libplc4.so (0x00002b566e9a5000)
            libnspr4.so => /usr/lib/libnspr4.so (0x00002b566eaaa000)
            libpthread.so.0 => /lib/libpthread.so.0 (0x00002b566ebe6000)
            libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0 => /usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0 (0x00002b566ecfb000)
            libgdk-x11-2.0.so.0 => /usr/lib/libgdk-x11-2.0.so.0 (0x00002b566f124000)
            libX11.so.6 => /usr/lib/libX11.so.6 (0x00002b566f2b9000)
            libpng12.so.0 => /usr/lib/libpng12.so.0 (0x00002b566f4c2000)
            libjpeg.so.62 => /usr/lib/libjpeg.so.62 (0x00002b566f5e5000)
            libz.so.1 => /usr/lib/libz.so.1 (0x00002b566f708000)
            libsmime3.so => /usr/lib/libsmime3.so (0x00002b566f81e000)
            libssl3.so => /usr/lib/libssl3.so (0x00002b566f948000)
            libnss3.so => /usr/lib/libnss3.so (0x00002b566fa6e000)
            libcairo.so.2 => /usr/lib/libcairo.so.2 (0x00002b566fbf0000)
            libXinerama.so.1 => /usr/lib/libXinerama.so.1 (0x00002b566fd59000)
            libXt.so.6 => /usr/lib/libXt.so.6 (0x00002b566fe5c000)
            libXp.so.6 => /usr/lib/libXp.so.6 (0x00002b566ffbc000)
            libXft.so.2 => /usr/lib/libXft.so.2 (0x00002b56700c4000)
            libfontconfig.so.1 => /usr/lib/libfontconfig.so.1 (0x00002b56701d9000)
            libxpcom_compat.so => /usr/lib/libxpcom_compat.so (0x00002b567030c000)
            libstdc++.so.6 => /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6 (0x00002b567042e000)
            libm.so.6 => /lib/libm.so.6 (0x00002b567062e000)
            libc.so.6 => /lib/libc.so.6 (0x00002b56707b0000)
            libplds4.so => /usr/lib/libplds4.so (0x00002b56709ec000)
            libgdk_pixbuf-2
            [ Parent ]
          • Re:AMD64 version? (Score:5, Insightful)

            by orzetto (545509) on Thursday October 19 2006, @08:46AM (#16500619)
            Why would running a web browser in 32bit mode have any negative effect on uptake of 64bit OSes?

            Why, because all the other damn plugins and libraries are 64 bits? If I compile Firefox 32 bit, the Java plugins do not work with it. Then I need java down at 32 bits, which will require to get down to 32 bits everything else that depends on Java. The same way goes mplayerplugin (therefore mplayer and all related apps), and pretty much everything that a browser uses. All this goes down in a chain reaction of 32-bit ripples, and ends up with breaking some functionality at some point, just because some lazy ass at Adobe did not want to recompile a damn binary one more time with different flags. I mean, it's not a different OS, it's just a different processor.

            [ Parent ]
          • Re:AMD64 version? (Score:5, Interesting)

            by jimicus (737525) on Thursday October 19 2006, @09:25AM (#16501121)
            (http://www.whitepost.org.uk/)
            I'd go a step further and ask what benefit a 64-bit OS has unless you have over 4GB RAM.

            AFAICT, you use up more disk space, individual apps require more memory and the biggest benefit - that you can access >4GB without hacks like PAE - is irrelevant.
            [ Parent ]
            • Re:AMD64 version? by yestertech (Score:2) Thursday October 19 2006, @10:09AM
            • Bigger virtual address space by Nicolas MONNET (Score:3) Thursday October 19 2006, @10:40AM
            • Re:AMD64 version? (Score:4, Informative)

              by CommandNotFound (571326) on Thursday October 19 2006, @10:49AM (#16502489)
              For mortal users (most of us), the benefit is an instant CPU performance boost of around 20-30% at least on Athlon 64 units when using the 64-bit instruction set vs the 32-bit instruction set. I have a dual-core AMD64 now, but I'm running everything 32-bit as the performance is more than acceptable. However, in a couple of years I will upgrade everything to 64-bit once all these glitches are solved and I should get a free upgrade in speed.

              This PCStats article [pcstats.com] has some benchmarks on the topic. Anandtech had some too, but I couldn't find them immediately.
              [ Parent ]
            • Re:AMD64 version? by Omnifarious (Score:2) Thursday October 19 2006, @12:58PM
            • Re:AMD64 version? by ultranova (Score:2) Thursday October 19 2006, @03:34PM
            • Re:AMD64 version? by Bert64 (Score:2) Friday October 20 2006, @03:55AM
            • Re:AMD64 version? by strikethree (Score:2) Friday October 20 2006, @04:49AM
            • Re:AMD64 version? by petermgreen (Score:2) Friday October 20 2006, @09:47AM
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          • Memory Space Clearly by pavon (Score:3) Thursday October 19 2006, @10:22AM
        • Re:AMD64 version? by massysett (Score:1) Thursday October 19 2006, @10:44AM
        • Re:AMD64 version? by 42forty-two42 (Score:2) Thursday October 19 2006, @10:48AM
        • Re:AMD64 version? by RandUser (Score:1) Thursday October 19 2006, @12:06PM
        • Re:AMD64 version? by jythie (Score:1) Thursday October 19 2006, @10:24AM
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      • Re:AMD64 version? by Randall311 (Score:1) Thursday October 19 2006, @08:06AM
      • Durrr... by Ayanami Rei (Score:2) Thursday October 19 2006, @10:09AM
        • Re:Durrr... by asapien (Score:1) Thursday October 19 2006, @10:31AM
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    • Re:AMD64 version? (Score:4, Insightful)

      by Octorian (14086) on Thursday October 19 2006, @07:00AM (#16499509)
      (http://hecgeek.blogspot.com/)
      Which is exactly why some distros (well, my SuSE box at least) installed Firefox expicitly as a 32-bit binary, even if almost everything else on the machine is 64-bit.

      (Now I just wish they did the same with the media players, for the Win32 codecs and such, as I was forced to compile my own to get that working)
      [ Parent ]
      • Re:AMD64 version? (Score:5, Informative)

        by CastrTroy (595695) on Thursday October 19 2006, @07:48AM (#16499921)
        (http://www.kibbee.ca/)
        Yes, but you also have to have a lot of other 32 bit libraries installed just for the browser to run. I think that one of them is glibc. I'm running mandrake 2007 rc1 (haven't downloaded final yet, but i've installed all the updates), and when I tried using 64-bit, even isntalling a 32-bit browser didn't work. Firefox would crash every time flash tried to start. So, we could either install only the 64 bit libraries, or install 64 and 32 bit libraries, and the 32 bit browser and hope it works. However, I'm still running full 32 bit linux on my AMD64. I tried 64 bit for a while, but I found that a lot of stuff still isn't stable enough for me on 64 bit. For one thing, the 3D desktop on Mandriva 2007 wouldn't work on my Radeon X550 when I had 64 bit. With 32 bit, no problems at all. I guess i'm going to have to wait until Mandriva 2008, when hopefully 64 bit linux will be ready. I also tried out other 64 bit distros (Fedora, Suse) and found that they weren't any better.
        [ Parent ]
      • Re:AMD64 version? by Anonymous Coward (Score:2) Thursday October 19 2006, @08:39AM
        • Re:AMD64 version? by Shawn is an Asshole (Score:2) Thursday October 19 2006, @06:49PM
    • Re:AMD64 version? (Score:5, Informative)

      by Anssi55 (729722) on Thursday October 19 2006, @07:03AM (#16499525)
      (http://onse.fi/contact)
      You could try nspluginwrapper [gibix.net].
      [ Parent ]
    • Re:AMD64 version? by Anonymous Coward (Score:2) Thursday October 19 2006, @07:03AM
    • Re:AMD64 version? by pyr0phr34k (Score:1) Thursday October 19 2006, @07:14AM
    • Re:AMD64 version? (Score:5, Funny)

      by Rik Sweeney (471717) on Thursday October 19 2006, @07:35AM (#16499783)
      (http://www.parallelrealities.co.uk/)
      I can't play flash animations on my Turion laptop with Debian AMD64 installed.

      Since it's a 32bit binary, won't installing it twice do the trick?
      [ Parent ]
    • Re:AMD64 version? by 0racle (Score:2) Thursday October 19 2006, @07:48AM
    • Re:AMD64 version? (Score:4, Informative)

      by jascat (602034) on Thursday October 19 2006, @07:54AM (#16499989)
      Look into dchroot and setup a small 32bit chroot environment. On my AMD64 desktop running Ubuntu, I have Firefox, Adobe Acrobat, a 32bit JDK and Mplayer installed and it works like a champ. HOWTO here. [debian.org]
      [ Parent ]
    • Re:AMD64 version? by mad.frog (Score:2) Thursday October 19 2006, @08:36AM
    • There will be a 64 bit version by ryanguill (Score:1) Thursday October 19 2006, @08:52AM
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  • gentoo ebuilds (Score:5, Informative)

    by kswtch (790406) on Thursday October 19 2006, @07:03AM (#16499531)
    here [gentoo.org] and here [gentoo.org].
  • right (Score:2)

    by bytesex (112972) on Thursday October 19 2006, @07:05AM (#16499549)
    (http://ufy.sourceforge.net/)
    ]] The plugin is dropped into your local plugin directory (for a local user) or the system-wide plugin directory.

    Until you do a yum upgrade, or something like that. Because then you get a separate directory for each sub version of firefox with a different plugins directory underneath it, and you lose your plugin once again, until you symlink to the plugin from the new plugins directory. Yes, maintaining software on Linux is a breeze, sometimes.
    • Re:right (Score:5, Informative)

      by dylan_- (1661) on Thursday October 19 2006, @07:16AM (#16499629)
      (http://slashdot.org/)
      That's a bug with your distro: report it to them.
      [ Parent ]
    • Re:right by cortana (Score:2) Thursday October 19 2006, @07:24AM
      • Re:right by bytesex (Score:2) Thursday October 19 2006, @08:08AM
        • Re:right by cortana (Score:2) Thursday October 19 2006, @08:18AM
          • Re:right by tinkerghost (Score:2) Thursday October 19 2006, @12:08PM
      • Re:right by cortana (Score:2) Thursday October 19 2006, @09:29AM
      • Re:right by Trogre (Score:2) Thursday October 19 2006, @02:44PM
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    • Re:right by smoker2 (Score:2) Thursday October 19 2006, @09:05AM
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  • Good news! (Score:5, Informative)

    by bioglaze (767105) on Thursday October 19 2006, @07:08AM (#16499565)
    (http://users.utu.fi/tmwire | Last Journal: Thursday February 15 2007, @04:22PM)
    Even being beta version, Flash 9 for GNU/Linux works very well when compared to previous player.

    Some flash movies that hogged Firefox UI with old player work flawlessy now. Audio is now in sync with video.

    While not perfect, this release makes me wonder when the free software Gnash player reaches a usable state. Being a free software enthuasist, i generally don't like the idea of using a proprietary plugin, but being also pragmatic, i use it. I also think that the official Flash plugin could be faster and more bug-free, if the source code were available and under a GPL compatible licence.

    That being said, i still think it's important that GNU/Linux users, especially Average Joe, have a lot less hassle with badly designed, flash-dependent websites.
    • Re:Good news! (Score:5, Informative)

      While not perfect, this release makes me wonder when the free software Gnash player reaches a usable state. Being a free software enthuasist, i generally don't like the idea of using a proprietary plugin, but being also pragmatic, i use it. I also think that the official Flash plugin could be faster and more bug-free, if the source code were available and under a GPL compatible licence.
      gnash is usable enough for me. Most ads works (sigh), and from what I've seen pretty much everything is rendered fine except for the flv videos. Now that ffmpeg and xine have full flv7 support, its only a matter of time before we can start to see gnash support youtube in its full glory. The best part is that it "works" on an x86_64.
      [ Parent ]
      • Re:Good news! by josath (Score:1) Thursday October 19 2006, @11:50AM
        • Re:Good news! by sarathmenon (Score:1) Thursday October 19 2006, @12:29PM
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    • Re:Good news! by david@ecsd.com (Score:1) Thursday October 19 2006, @09:24AM
    • Re:Good news! by ajs318 (Score:2) Thursday October 19 2006, @10:00AM
      • Re:Good news! by bioglaze (Score:1) Thursday October 19 2006, @11:01AM
    • Re:Good news! [great improvements] by gosand (Score:2) Thursday October 19 2006, @11:41AM
  • Ad supported browsers (Score:4, Funny)

    by AcidLacedPenguiN (835552) on Thursday October 19 2006, @07:09AM (#16499573)
    Now we too can participate in the revenue generating flash supported articles that are linked from slashdot!!!! They're not just for the windows crowd anymore!
    • Flashblock by zoward (Score:2) Thursday October 19 2006, @07:43AM
      • Re:Flashblock by Patented (Score:1) Thursday October 19 2006, @08:05AM
      • Re:Flashblock by AcidLacedPenguiN (Score:2) Thursday October 19 2006, @08:19AM
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  • Solaris (Score:4, Funny)

    by guacamole (24270) on Thursday October 19 2006, @07:17AM (#16499631)
    Oh joy, I suppose the Solaris version will come only one year after Linux. Hang on folks, we're almost there!

  • Whinging (Score:1)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 19 2006, @07:24AM (#16499685)
    ...a mere year after the release for Windows
    Want some cheese with that whine?
  • Well, what now? (Score:1)

    by Orm (23588) on Thursday October 19 2006, @07:25AM (#16499699)
    (http://delfin.grm.hia.no/~vhoel99/)
    So I installed it, it did work without any problems, watched some movies at youtube.com and saw some flash-ads here and there.. But now what? Give me some good sites where flash really shows what it's good for!
  • wonderful (Score:2)

    I am trying it (inside Firefox and Mozilla as well) and it works perfectly. Two comments. (1) with Flash 7, audio was skippy (I have a cheapo onboard audio card; with Flash 9, I can finally enjoy youtube and the like. (2) today /. was linking to a article linking to http://www.bush-of-ghosts.com/ [bush-of-ghosts.com] ; with Flash 7, it showed blank ; with Flash 9 , it works.
  • by Rik Sweeney (471717) on Thursday October 19 2006, @07:28AM (#16499727)
    (http://www.parallelrealities.co.uk/)
    was checked that FlashBlock [mozdev.org] still worked.

    I'm not joking. I was more concerned about that than the sound being in sync. Does anyone think I'm weird?
  • Compiling bugs (Score:5, Informative)

    by thebluesgnr (941962) on Thursday October 19 2006, @07:29AM (#16499733)
    There are a few problems with this release that I hope will be fixed in the future (I can only hope, since it's not open source yet).

    The plugin will search for libssl.so and libasound.so; that's broken. They should dlopen the actual library or build it statically, but a hack like that is certainly going to cause problems. (btw, in Ubuntu/Debian you need the libssl-dev and libasound2-dev packages to use all the features of this plugin).

    The most annoying bugs I had with Flash (believe it or not) are still there. If the mouse is hovering a Flash content inside a browser window, the browser won't recognize keyboard or even mouse events. This is annoying when you're scrolling through a page with Flash ads or when you want to Ctrl+L but the damn mouse is in the wrong place.

    The other problem is that Flash ads that have the "point your mouse here to see the full ad" will always display the "full ad", and you have to choose between the Flash Block extension and not reading that damn page at all.
  • by just_forget_it (947275) on Thursday October 19 2006, @07:29AM (#16499739)
    Hope this clears up the sound syncing issues with YouTube and Linux
  • by mdew (651926) on Thursday October 19 2006, @07:33AM (#16499767)
    (http://www.fanboy.co.nz/adblock/)
    Did they fix the mouse scroll bug in the flash plugin? (where the mouse scroll doesn't work over any embedded flash).
  • Argh ZE SOUND! (Score:1)

    by Woy (606550) on Thursday October 19 2006, @07:35AM (#16499779)
    Hearing flash sound on Kubuntu Linux is still a hit and miss, miss, miss game...
  • Pie! (Score:2, Funny)

    by onetwofour (977057) on Thursday October 19 2006, @07:39AM (#16499827)
    (http://www.theneb.co.uk/)
    Now I can enjoy all that forbidden Weebl & Bob Pie without the wine. I don't have to be drunk & dirty anymore.
  • by ownermachina (137072) on Thursday October 19 2006, @07:40AM (#16499831)
    The old flash player had some horrible issues with sound output that actually made firefox suck [oreillynet.com].

    This has been a problem [launchpad.net] at Ubuntu and I guess others.

    I work with a web-based application and usually watching any YouTube video would crash my entire browser session.
  • by advocate_one (662832) on Thursday October 19 2006, @07:52AM (#16499975)
    just make it installable exactly like the windows plugin... one click from the browser... without having to download and extract it

    if you want it system wide, then make a standalone executable that only needs to be double clicked in Konqueror or Nautilus (or whaever else takes your fancy) and have the installer quiz you for the options and password

    It ISN'T EXACTLY ROCKET SCIENCE now is it... durr...

    Let the distros worry about packaging issues (deb, rpm, tar.gz...) then they can tailor it for themselves from the tar.gz or however you pack up the binary (I'm guessing it's gonna be closed source)

    • All comments must first be processed through moderation due to the Adobe blogging system
    • Email address and URL fields are optional
    • Remember that this blog is called Penguin.SWF and is about Adobe Flash Player on Linux; please keep comments on topic
    • Questions about alpha, beta, and final release schedules are already answered in this post
    • Requests for such features as alternate operating system or CPU architecture support are more suited for the Adobe Wish Form
    • Adobe has no plans to open source the Flash Player at this time; comments requesting that the code be open sourced will be considered off-topic

    In other words — praises and bug-reports only, please.

  • by jsolan (1014825) on Thursday October 19 2006, @08:19AM (#16500281)
    Working on an OpenLaszlo http://www.openlaszlo.org/ [openlaszlo.org] project, which occasionally caused the flash player to timeout while testing. Its nice that i can now "continue running the script" instead of being forced to close out, fix one problem, come back in only to find another problem. Flash 7 on fedora didn't allow me to continue. Unfortunately flash 9 doesn't feel any faster in the application than flash 7 did.
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  • Fantastic (Score:5, Interesting)

    by mogrify (828588) on Thursday October 19 2006, @08:22AM (#16500311)
    (http://mogrify.org/)
    Long-awaited, indeed. The best part is finally being able to play Flash Video 8 on Linux. They got a huge quality improvement when they switched from Sorensen Spark to ON2 VP6, but no one who cares about Linux users could use it... until now :)
  • Inaccurate. (Score:5, Insightful)

    by mad.frog (525085) <[steven] [at] [crinklink.com]> on Thursday October 19 2006, @08:24AM (#16500343)
    Flash Player 9 for Windows was officially released on June 28, 2006.

    4 months != 1 year
    • Re:Inaccurate. by BlenderFX (Score:1) Thursday October 19 2006, @08:49AM
    • Re:Inaccurate. by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Thursday October 19 2006, @09:00AM
      • Re:Inaccurate. by mad.frog (Score:2) Thursday October 19 2006, @09:28AM
        • Re:Inaccurate. by blazerw11 (Score:2) Thursday October 19 2006, @10:36AM
    • Re:Inaccurate. by AusIV (Score:2) Thursday October 19 2006, @09:06AM
      • Re:Inaccurate. by mad.frog (Score:2) Thursday October 19 2006, @09:13AM
    • Re:Inaccurate. by illegalcortex (Score:2) Thursday October 19 2006, @10:04AM
    • Re:Inaccurate. by tokul (Score:1) Thursday October 19 2006, @11:22AM
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  • I had no issues at first. I gleefully went to a site that required Flash >7 (blackberrypearl.com) and it loaded fine. I right-clicked and saw that the player version in the context menu was 9, which was gratifying. But it otherwise seemed exactly the same.

    After I closed that tab I was unable to load any pages in the others. Pressing Enter from the address bar did not cause the contents of the address bar to materialize. In fact nothing happened, not even an error message. I restarted the browser (Windows 98 mentality kicking in here), and that fixed it. But on a subsequent attempt I noticed the same thing again. This time I was able to load Slashdot once, but the CSS was missing. It was the plain white un-positioned fallback version of the site, which was actually interesting to see. It was as if I were using Netscape 3 or something.

    Anyone else seeing these things? (I also have no audio, but I suspect I need to review the system requirements to mend that.)

  • Slashdoted (Score:1)

    by marcelo.mosca (772859) on Thursday October 19 2006, @08:27AM (#16500397)
    As it has been slashdot, here are direct links to the files

    http://www.adobe.com/go/fp9_update_b1_installer_li nuxplugin [adobe.com]

    http://www.adobe.com/go/fp9_update_b1_standalone_l inux [adobe.com]
  • by WindBourne (631190) on Thursday October 19 2006, @08:47AM (#16500627)
    (Last Journal: Friday December 01 2006, @10:51AM)
    It seems like that has died. That is too bad. It would be nice if it did not.
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  • by IronChefMorimoto (691038) on Thursday October 19 2006, @08:54AM (#16500715)
    I have skimmed a few of the comments here and some of the anti-Flash-in-general comments that popped up in the "Holy shit, IE7 launched today!" story comments. I wanted to throw in a few observations about Flash and why keeping this medium around is important.

    First, I will agree with anyone that says that Flash gets misused more often than not. It does. It sucks ass when someone does a really crap Flash project. I have 2-3 designers doing the visual labor with me turning their designs into relatively interesting Flash interactives. I like to think that I am using Flash properly, but I know I have much to learn, and I look forward to that opportunity keeping me gainfully employed for a few more years (until enough anti-Flash people get it killed?). ;-)

    Secondly, if you're going to take 5 minutes to compose a rant on /. about how annoying Flash ads are, then allocate 3 of those 5 minutes to downloading and installing a Firefox extension (there are several, I believe -- Flashgot, right?) that blocks all Flash (including adverts) until you want them. I know they're annoying -- but coming from a media company that relies on advertisers buying those "fancy, irritating" Flash ads, I accept them as a necessary evil. A website running those box or vert ads aren't FORCING you to watch them now, 'cause I've taken 1 minute of my 5 minutes in this rant to tell you how to block 'em and get on with your web browsing life.

    Finally, I noticed folks talking about the tag to embed Flash. Stop. Stop doing that and google "swfObject" -- it's a Javascript library you can drop into a central location on your web server and forever forget about detecting Flash or making sure it's relatively standards compliant. The guy who wrote it put together a BETTER detection setup than Adobe did (their kit was NUTS), and it works really well. AND it's flexible, processing querystrings and adding flashvars very easily for a simple Flash embed. If you're still talking about the tag and Flash, you're either developing Flash badly (and this is coming from an intermediate level user who tricked people into paying him for it) or browsing a badly developed Flash site.

    My 2-3 cents (5 minutes) about Flash. Be nice to it. With Flash video, it's really coming around as a useful tool, and things like Flex 2.0 (wicked cool way to build application interfaces) are making it more of a tool than a design medium for the web.

    BTW -- if the title was confusing -- I was "dragged" into Flash development when folks found out I was better at writing ActionScript and using Flash than writing pure CSS page layout. I'm actually enjoying it -- if you're intersted in learning it, be prepared to re-learn a lot of stuff every 1.25 years or so with new Flash versions.

    Thanks,
    IronChefMorimoto
  • OMGOMGOMGOMGOMG (Score:1)

    by sholde4 (815798) * on Thursday October 19 2006, @09:41AM (#16501349)
    FINALLY!!! I'm a web developer, and I cant tell you how long this has been driving me nuts.
  • Long-awaited? (Score:1)

    by beermad (961336) on Thursday October 19 2006, @10:13AM (#16501845)
    I certainly haven't been waiting for Flash 9.
    Sites that use Flash un-necessarily are nothing but a pain in the arse, so I just don't visit them unless they have proper HTML alternatives.
    ...and they don't get into the links section of my website, either.
  • by BroadbandBradley (237267) on Thursday October 19 2006, @10:15AM (#16501885)
    (http://www.sunbuggyfunrentals.com/)
    SO many Kid related sites with flash games don't work so well with Linux. I have 3 kids and they want to play at Club Penguin (nothing to do with Linux strangely enough)...I got it to work by installing flash and alll kinds of different fonts until I got everything right. Lots of "shockwave" stuff still won't work and I don't care to spend much time trying fix that. It's easier to just keep a windows partition around for sites like that. The real problem is the website developers of course not using web standards to do stuff with. Most of the slick Site design tools are made by companies with a vested iterest in promoting thier own proprietary stuff.

  • by smartin (942) on Thursday October 19 2006, @10:19AM (#16501949)
    firefox seems to consistently hang on the engadget site. I think it is related to the flash ads.
    Anyone else see this?
  • by link915 (900930) on Thursday October 19 2006, @10:25AM (#16502055)
    (http://www.voidmain.net/)
    As good as I think it is to see Linux get a native flash player it still bums me out to see that they have forgotten the BSDs again. Come one, they have players for Linux, HP-UX, Solaris and yet can't get a player compiled for FreeBSD.

    Please go to Adobe Feature Request [adobe.com] and request a native FreeBSD flash player. The community would greatly appreciate it. Thanks.

    -Link
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  • by LinDVD (986467) on Thursday October 19 2006, @11:15AM (#16502963)
    For the first time, the Linux Flash player is coming out before the next IDE, Flash 9 is. Flash 7 came out nearly 18 months after the IDE did on the last release...
  • I'm lazy (Score:2)

    by btempleton (149110) on Thursday October 19 2006, @12:07PM (#16503777)
    (http://www.templetons.com/brad/)
    When will folks be making .debs?
  • Tried it (Score:5, Informative)

    by spitzak (4019) on Thursday October 19 2006, @12:10PM (#16503811)
    (http://mysite.verizon.net/spitzak)
    On my Mandrake machine. I got no sound from YouTube, and sound works in the FlashPlayer7.

    Notes:

    Biggest problem is no sound from YouTube (or probably from anywhere). Sound works for me with FlashPlayer7 and switching back to that makes it work without any restarting (so it did not permanently mess up sound, like some programs can). This is a Mandrake machine, 2.4.22-10mdkenterprise, I really have no idea how I have sound set up, but it works for me in most software.

    Yes it fixed places that check for the version number of the flash player.

    Popping up the menu with the right button (which I did to check that it reported 9 or 7) would cause Firefox to crash somewhat later. Does not seem to happen with 7. May indicate an overflow of some malloc'd data buffer.

    To use, put libflashplayer9.so into ~/.mozilla/plugins and don't rename it. Apparently if it exists it will be loaded in preference to libflashplayer.so. (I wasted some time making a flashplayer.so symbolic link that switched between 7 and 9 before I finally figured out that 9 was being used no matter how I set it. Instead, to switch back to 7, rename libflashplayer9.so to libflashplayer9.so.hidden).

    Removal instructions in the readme.txt say to remove libflashplayer.so, not the correct file of libflashplayer9.so.

    ldd shows it links in far more libraries than 7 did, lots of gtk stuff. I suspect this is due to Pango (which does I18N text layout) using the gobject library, not because any gtk widgets are being used. This has also been complained about on Cairo (which is supposed to be a drawing library *used* by toolkits like gtk, but because good font layout requires Pango, there is a circular dependency back to gtk!)

    • Re:Tried it by fodder69 (Score:1) Thursday October 19 2006, @01:13PM
      • Re:Tried it by spitzak (Score:2) Thursday October 19 2006, @09:58PM
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  • I call bullshit (Score:2)

    by Schraegstrichpunkt (931443) on Thursday October 19 2006, @02:29PM (#16506359)
    (http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc3675.html)
    While we are still working out exactly how to distribute the final Player version to be as easy as possible for the typical end user ...

    No, they're not. The obvious way is to release the source code of the player under the GNU GPL and let the distros build and package it. That's probably not going to happen.

  • Personally, the quote I would have used for this paticular story would be:
    Fie on't! ah fie!
    'tis an unweeded garden that grows to seed;
    things rank and gross in nature possess it merely.

    I foresee a multitude of Flash weeds clogging up the tubes of the internet in the near future.
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  • Re:Why do we need this? (Score:4, Insightful)

    by endersshadow7 (972296) on Thursday October 19 2006, @07:09AM (#16499579)
    I'm not a zealot by any means when it comes to free software. I just want to use Linux and I also want to watch stuff on YouTube or browse around Dane Cook's site or whatever. Flash isn't my favorite program in the world, but not all of us are "TEH OMGZZZ FLASH SUXORZ AND IT SHOULD DIE!111!!!1111!" Some people like to use their computers for more reasons than to simply make a statement or a point. On that note, done some limited testing and it works very well. Woohoo!
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  • Re:Why do we need this? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by pandrijeczko (588093) on Thursday October 19 2006, @07:32AM (#16499757)
    People use Linux for various reasons, not just because they're part of an anti-Microsoft or anti-Closed Source crusade.

    I myself use it because I'm comfortable with programming in a UNIX environment and prefer using Open Source tools in both Linux and Windows - but I don't feel "dirty" editing a Word document in MS Office - if anything, because I know Office well enough by now, I get the job done quicker to have more "playtime" in Linux!

    However, with that said, I don't understand why an application that just allows you to view files (rather than create or edit them) ever needs to be closed source anyway - if you're a car manufacturer you won't make a car that is only confortable for people who are 5'6" tall to drive, you'll make it with adjustable seats so it caters to the widest possible audience possible. I don't understand why MS, Adobe and others are so protective of viewing their file formats anyway when you still have to go buy their applications to create or change those file formats.

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  • by Ash-Fox (726320) on Thursday October 19 2006, @07:36AM (#16499791)
    (http://scorch.quickfox.org/)
    Did anyone else find themselves staring blankly at the address bar trying desperately to think of a site that required Flash >8?
    Yep.
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  • by tolan-b (230077) on Thursday October 19 2006, @07:42AM (#16499859)
    A few Linux users refusing to use flash is going to make fk all difference to Adobe.
    Flash is here to stay for now, it's too well entrenched.

    And all the complaints about Flash mainly boil down to one thing, it's a standard but closed source, which leads to exactly the kind of thing people have had to put up with of not being able to use a lot of websites because they require 8 or above and Adobe hadn't released a player...
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  • by isorox (205688) on Thursday October 19 2006, @07:49AM (#16499943)
    (http://www.slashdot.org/~isorox | Last Journal: Saturday April 01 2006, @07:50AM)
    I'm hoping Flashblock still works with it
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  • by Proud like a god (656928) on Thursday October 19 2006, @08:13AM (#16500199)
    (http://www.linuxquestions.org/)
    http://www.supremecommander.com/ [supremecommander.com]

    Although I believe much of the content is available at http://www.supremecommanderhq.com/ [supremecommanderhq.com] and maybe http://www.supcomuniverse.com/ [supcomuniverse.com]
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  • Sad state of affairs (Score:1, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 19 2006, @08:20AM (#16500297)
    Note all the people installing both flash and flash block! First they contract the disease and then they grab something to make it bearable. That says as much as the oblig technical derision.

    BTW: there's a youtube downloader listed on freshmeat so you don't actually need to taint your OS with flash in order to watch the funnies on youtube.
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  • Re:Linux PPC? (Score:2)

    by rincebrain (776480) on Thursday October 19 2006, @08:24AM (#16500349)
    I use x86 primarily and this still annoys me. I strongly recommend that people start hacking on gnash.
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  • Re:Movies (Score:4, Interesting)

    by cortana (588495) <sam@@@robots...org...uk> on Thursday October 19 2006, @08:32AM (#16500445)
    (http://robots.org.uk/)
    Unfortunately a plain <OBJECT> element pointing at a movie does not work.

    If the movie is MPEG1 then it looks like crap.
    If it is in a Microsoft format, people who aren't on Windows can't view it.
    If it is in a Real Player or Quicktime format, people who aren't on Windows or the Mac OS can't view it.
    Additionally, Real and Quicktime require your users to go to the effort of finding and installing the appropriate player software. Most can't be bothered.
    Also, all the above formats are patent-encumbered.
    If you choose a free format such as Ogg Vorbis+Theora, then again you force the user to waste their time hunting for the plugin software, but in addition there are about five hundred sites that all distribute slightly different versions; the correct (blessed?) site is impossible to find unless the user is a computer expert.

    Flash looks attractive because of these problems. In addition it makes it impossible for non-experts to keep a copy of the movie, which makes it attractive to content publishers. In their eyes, the fact that those who don't use 32 bit Windows, the 32 bit Mac OS, or i386 GNU/Linux, can't view the content is but a small price to pay.

    On another note: anyone read the EULA for this Flash player? It's pretty scary! Adobe could arbitrarily send you a huge bill for auditing your compliance at any time. In addition you are 'not allowed' to run the player on an embedded/set-top-box device. Does my desktop PC become embedded when I hook, it up to my TV?
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    • Re:Movies by ElleyKitten (Score:2) Thursday October 19 2006, @09:27AM
      • Re:Movies by cortana (Score:2) Thursday October 19 2006, @09:40AM
        • Re:Movies by ElleyKitten (Score:2) Thursday October 19 2006, @10:06AM
    • Re:Movies by SanityInAnarchy (Score:3) Thursday October 19 2006, @09:49AM
      • Re:Movies by cortana (Score:2) Thursday October 19 2006, @10:09AM
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  • Please use Gnash (Score:2)

    by Mateo_LeFou (859634) on Thursday October 19 2006, @09:00AM (#16500781)
    (http://www.a4fs.net/blog/)
    It's free as in freedom. no it doesn't work perfectly yet, but Flash sites suck anyway

    http://www.gnu.org/software/gnash/ [gnu.org]
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  • by frogstar_robot (926792) <frogstar_robot@yahoo.com> on Thursday October 19 2006, @09:05AM (#16500851)
    Grandmother will click the update button in Synaptic when the distros include it. Grandmother won't be running a beta.

    Were you born a snarky bastard or did you have to work at it?
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  • amd64? (Score:2)

    by SanityInAnarchy (655584) <ninja@slaphack.com> on Thursday October 19 2006, @09:37AM (#16501303)
    (Last Journal: Tuesday October 30, @10:59AM)
    I actually wouldn't mind an older Flash version, if it meant I didn't have to constantly be closing 64-bit Firefox and opening a 32-bit one.
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  • by Sod75 (558841) on Thursday October 19 2006, @09:47AM (#16501437)
    (http://www.vernaillen.eu/ | Last Journal: Sunday April 15 2007, @09:10AM)
    well, we did slashdot adobe's download page, I guess that means there are at least a significant amount of people using linux on the desktop.
    I also kept hearing linux on the desktop wasn't ready.how come then all these people want to download a linux 100% desktop related plugin.
    If we slashdot a download page for a linux desktop app from a non marginal company like adobe, it means more people then they'd like to (have others) believe ARE running linux on the desktop I'd say.
    I'd like to see download numbers for a beta just to have an idea how much...anyone know ?
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  • by yestertech (246954) <{moc.oohay} {ta} {554nori}> on Thursday October 19 2006, @10:26AM (#16502073)
    Previous revisions of Flash Player for Linux preformed very poorly compared to the win32 versions (even the win32 verison in crossover office did a better job).

    I think that it has something to do with the win32 version using SSE instructions and Linux version did not.

    Flash still does not take advantage of the GPUs available for the last 10 years! Anyone trying to use Flash for more than a postage stamp size output feels this pain. The evolution from something designed to make small animated buttons and advertising is evident.

    Poor performance and the new licensing may mean limited uptake for embedded applications.
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    • Should be much faster (Score:5, Informative)

      by mjbkinx (800231) on Thursday October 19 2006, @11:43AM (#16503395)

      Previous revisions of Flash Player for Linux preformed very poorly compared to the win32 versions (even the win32 verison in crossover office did a better job).

      Yeah, Tinic ranted about that on his blog a while ago, saying he used wine for Flash on Linux (before v9, obviously) -- and he's a FlashPlayer engineer. His entry [kaourantin.net] about this beta release addresses performance. He says he's not happy with the current state of font rendering speed yet, but that it beats the Windows version by 20% with other stuff. They're still working on it.

      Over all, you should see better performance of existing content, thanks to the new rendering engine introduced in v8. This is especially true for SWFs (competently) written for v8 and using cacheAsBitmap -- not rerendering vectors every frame seems to improve performance. Who would have thought...

      The second performance increase will probably take a while to become common: FP9 comes with a new, JIT compiled VM. The old one is still included for backwards compatibility, but once FP9 has a good install base and is supported by developers making scripting-heavy stuff, you should definitely notice the performance increase -- it's much, much faster.

      If somebody feels like playing with it, there's the free (beer) Flex SDK on the Adobe site somewhere. However, I'd like to recommend haXe [haxe.org], a Free (capital F) compiler for a very fine language, with a great type system, that I really enjoy coding in. It supports Flash 6 to 9, the Free NekoVM [nekovm.org], and can generate JavaScript (Yes! Typed!). Windows users can use the FlashDevelop [osflash.org] plugin [haxe.org], for the rest of us there's Eclipse with EHX [osflash.org].

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  • by fimbulvetr (598306) on Thursday October 19 2006, @06:42PM (#16510361)
    callofduty.com just went flash8 the other day, so I went there. Seems to work well so far.
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