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Linspire Announces Freespire Distribution

Posted by ScuttleMonkey on Mon Apr 24, 2006 07:27 PM
from the let's-muddy-the-waters-a-bit dept.
LinuxScribe writes "Is the world ready for another community Linux distro a là Fedora and openSUSE? We're about to find out, as Linspire used the Desktop Linux Summit to announce a community-driven version of Linspire, to be called Freespire. But here's the twist, Freespire will come in two flavors: a completely open source version and a version that includes all of the fully-licensed proprietary apps, drivers, and codecs in Linspire."
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  • *~shudder~* (Score:4, Funny)

    by showardkid (823639) on Monday April 24 2006, @07:32PM (#15193607) Journal
    You mixed that up, man. There's an accent on 'a' and not on 'la'. It's "à la". Yes, I'm a Foreign Language nazi.
  • by uberjoe (726765) on Monday April 24 2006, @07:35PM (#15193625)
    They should call them Beerspire and Speechspire.
    • Well if this project gets really COLD, it'll be FREEZEpire.

      If it gets really HOT, it'll be FreesPYRE.

      If it sucks the life from other distros, it'll be VAMpire.

      If it flat-out dies off, it'll EXpire.

      If it continues to live, it'll REspire.

      If it has a kernel panic, it might PERspire.

      If it woos it's intended audience, then may it TRANCEpire

      But, hopefully, it'll be really NEAT, and good things will TRANSpire...

      (C) David Syes, 2006-04-24 2025
  • I wonder what's up (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Illbay (700081) on Monday April 24 2006, @07:37PM (#15193632) Journal
    Fedora was established as the bleeding-edge benchmark for development of Red Hat Enterprise Linux.

    Linspire, in contrast, is rather staid and unadventurous. One questions whether a "bleeding edge" is even required for that distro.

    So what is the purpose of "Freespire"?

  • by brunes69 (86786) <(slashdot) (at) (keirstead.org)> on Monday April 24 2006, @07:39PM (#15193641) Homepage
    Yet another community-maintained Debian-based distro? Why in the world would I want to choose this over (U|K)buntu? Debian based, but with a bastardized broken KDE... sounds super!

    And before anyone says anything about CNR (click and run), I will point you to klik [atekon.de] - free open and wonderful, and not tied to any distro.

    Enough said.

  • by LostCluster (625375) * on Monday April 24 2006, @07:39PM (#15193644) Homepage
    Let's not forget what we're dealing with here. This is a company with a known history of pulling whatever attention getting stunt it can, including starting with a name of "Lindows" that got shot down by MS. All along, their goal has been simple: try to find a buck out of distributing open source software, including making their "Click and Run" store of mostly freely available apps.

    This is about as newsworthy as a paid-software vendor announcing a free trial edition that replaces all the "good stuff" with reminders to buy the full version.
    • by linvir (970218) on Monday April 24 2006, @08:19PM (#15193833)
      I don't get it. Why do people always piss on Linspire for selling Free Software, when so many others had already been doing it for so long? Is it because of a perceived lack of contribution back into Open Source on the part of Linspire? From a slightly biased Wikipedia article [wikipedia.org]:
      Linspire has contributed millions of dollars in direct funds and contributed code to several open source projects. For a company of Linspire's size, their contributions have been quite admirable. With very few exceptions, all code that is developed by Linspire is contributed back to the open source community. Linspire is also the lead maintainer for important projects such as Nvu, Lsongs, Lphoto, and an important contributor to other projects such as Mozilla Firefox, Gaim, Reiser FS, and many others.
    • by r00t (33219) on Monday April 24 2006, @08:19PM (#15193837) Journal
      I so wish this had gone to trial, especially since the appeals court ruled that the jury would get to decide if "windows" was a generic term back when Microsoft first started using it. Killing the Windows trademark would be lots of fun.

      Not that I'd want to see "Macrohard Windows", "Slack Windows", "Brown Dog Windows", "iWindows", "eWindows", "Turbo Windows", "IBM Windows", "Debian GNU/Windows", "Windows for Playgroups", "WindowsBSD", "ClearWindows", "Sunny Windows"...

      Aw, yes I would. :-)
    • by chris_eineke (634570) on Monday April 24 2006, @08:23PM (#15193854) Homepage Journal
      try to find a buck out of distributing open source software
      Yeah, like Redhat, SuSE, Mandriva, etc.

      Tell me: When has selling Free / Open Source Software become a sin against humanity?
  • Hmm... Nice (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Psykechan (255694) on Monday April 24 2006, @07:42PM (#15193665)
    Looks like Linspire is planning on giving away the razor and trying to sell the blades for $20 a year. [freespire.org]

    On the other hand, at least the "creating a user account so you don't run everyhing as root" step isn't optional [freespire.org] in Freespire. This "new" distribution is something that might be a good first step for newbie Linux users that want certain features (DVD/MP3 playback) immediately after install.
  • weren't the add-ons the ones that gave Linspire the viability to ACTUALLY replace Windows? Without them, Linspire is naked, and I don't think they have the experience to handle a "plain vanilla" distro.

    So if I had to choose between Freespire and say, Ubuntu Dapper, I'd choose Dapper all the way.
  • Nice... (Score:4, Funny)

    by advs89 (921250) on Monday April 24 2006, @07:45PM (#15193683) Homepage
    I think I'll be the first to say that I like this idea.





    Well, I don't actually... I just thought it would be cool to be the first to say that.

    -Advs89
  • by bizzynut (887594) on Monday April 24 2006, @07:57PM (#15193738)
    Plan 9 offers a completely usable, modern desktop. So there is no need for Linspire.
    • Re:Plan 9 is better (Score:5, Interesting)

      by linguae (763922) on Monday April 24 2006, @09:03PM (#15193996)
      Plan 9 offers a completely usable, modern desktop.

      Plan 9 is a research operating system. I like Plan 9's architecture, file system, and many other ideas. Plan 9's goal is to further extend the notion of Unix's "everything is a file" idea. Everything, even the windowing system (rio), is a file. Plan 9 also vastly simplifies systems programming (compared to Unix). Plan 9 is a wonderful research operating system that I would love to tinker with and explore.

      However, it isn't a desktop replacement for Windows/OS X users or even for Linux or BSD users. There is no office suites (or even a word processor unless you love text editors and TeX or troff), no browser on the scale of Firefox or Konqueror, no music/video players, nothing that 99% of the world uses with a computer. Besides, I'm pretty sure that users are more comfortable using this desktop [kde.org], these desktops [gnome.org], or especially this desktop [apple.com] before they use this desktop [bell-labs.com]. For even the most ardent *nix hackers or computer scientists, Plan 9 would be something they played with on the side (kind of like Minix or an operating system that they're working on), and Linux/BSD is their main OS.

      I like Plan 9, but it isn't a desktop OS; it's a research OS. However, Plan 9 is a very innovative operating system; I wish that the major OS sellers (I'm talking to you, Apple and Microsoft) would be a bit more cutting-edge in the architecture of their OSes rather than just appearances (even though Apple has done very well since the bought NeXT; they have a hybrid kernel, for one). Plan 9, L4, the MIT exokernel project, and other projects look very interesting, and I would like to see them in use.

  • Would that give us freedows?
  • Evolution (Score:5, Funny)

    by the darn (624240) on Monday April 24 2006, @07:58PM (#15193748) Homepage
    Lindows -> Linspire -> Freespire
    So, if they hadn't been forced to change, would this new distro be called Freedows? The mascot could have been the Freedow Bandido!
  • by Ankh (19084) * on Monday April 24 2006, @08:02PM (#15193764) Homepage
    Freespire will come in two flavors: a completely open source version and a version that includes all of the fully-licensed proprietary apps, drivers, and codecs in Linspire

    Well, maybe, but they're hardly the first to do that: Mandriva (Mandrake) has been doing it for a long time, with the commercial version including extra drivers as well as applications. Probably others have too.

    What makes a community effort stand or fall is how well the outside people are integrated, and how much voice they have.

    One reason I the distribution I do is that it attracts both seasoned programmers and newcomers, and there's a good chance I can show my laptop to people and say, here, this is what it's like, you can use the same as me. It's not clear that I'll be doing that with Linspire, nor that a community-based version that's not as good will in fact help me. Who will it help?
  • by blankoboy (719577) on Monday April 24 2006, @08:03PM (#15193770)
    Too little too late. Linspire sees Ubuntu becoming the popular girl at school so now she'll sleep with anyone for free.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 24 2006, @08:05PM (#15193778)
    Freespire: A Linux Distro For When You Couldn't Care Less About Freedom (http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20060424 164142296 [groklaw.net])

    ---
    Stefano Spinucci
  • by MsGeek (162936) on Monday April 24 2006, @08:09PM (#15193795) Homepage Journal
    For people who are used to the Windows way of doing things, the deliberately simplified Linspire way of doing things is a very good thing. It's good that they are "getting religion" about the inadvisability of running as root. And the ultimate best thing of all might be CNR technology being opened up. Imagine alternative Free CNR repositories! With CNR 100% opened up, there will be no stopping people from creating a F/OSS-only CNR repository that people who might not want to get chained to Linspire, Inc. might use instead. This was something the Lycoris community was trying to do with IRIS, Lycoris' answer to CNR.

    With Lycoris by and large a dead issue, a Freespire might be just the ticket for folks who are just not ready for Ubuntu/Kubuntu yet.
  • by Mostly a lurker (634878) on Monday April 24 2006, @08:35PM (#15193896)
    Many of the comments so far are to the effect that Freespire is just another "me too" free distro. I think a careful review shows that this is not quite true. The most important difference is that it comes, out of the box, with proprietary software when necessary because there is no viable free alternative. One can argue whether this is a good thing, but it is a difference.

    The indications are that they have thought this through quite thoroughly. The initial announcement and the web site are quite well done, I think. Considering it is still four months until the first beta, they have a good FAQ (here [freespire.org]) which is worth a read. I intend to at least give it a try when the time comes.

    • by jmorris42 (1458) * <jmorrisNO@SPAMbeau.org> on Monday April 24 2006, @08:18PM (#15193829) Homepage
      > Personally, I've wondered when I'd be able to use a both free and legal DVD player in the US.

      Exactly. While all the FSF absolutists will flame away I say it is about darned time. Of course I wouldn't switch distros JUST for the DVD player or any of the other closed bits, but if I could buy em and run them on my preferred distro I'd get a P.O. to em.

      You see, it is only by being willing to compromise (the minimum I can get away with) on the Free principles have I been able to deploy a linux based desktop into a public library setting. Just one example, we use Crossover Office to get IE running. IE isn't negotiable, the only question is Crossover, VMWare or which other method I was going to use to get it running. Too many sites just don't work any other way. For example, assume I'd brazened my way past all the other objections and deployed without IE. Last year wne the Katrina refugees flooded in and discovered they couldn't file an application with FEMA from our labs I'd have been tasked with getting XP installed on am post haste. Especially when Rita hit us directly, making it OUR patrons that we wouln't have been able to help get disaster assistance.

      We don't have much of a need to play video DVDs thankfully, but it doesn't go down all that well when I explain that it would be illegal to do it. People just can't believe it and I really don't have the time to explain the complicated legal probems involved. At home I use libdecss and say "screw em if they don't like it." Hell, I have even mentioned it in protest letters to elected officials. But I won't deploy it at work, the legal liability is just too great. This isn't a problem Free Software can solve. We already HAVE the code but there isn't any path to lagalizing it. Same for Windows Media, Real, etc.