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SUSE 10.0 OSS Released
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CowboyNeal
on Thu Oct 06, 2005 05:26 PM
from the love-the-lizard dept.
from the love-the-lizard dept.
O0o0Oblubb!O0o0O writes "Today, Novell released SuSE 10.0 OSS for download. Product highlights include kernel 2.6.13, gcc 4.0.2, glibc 2.3.5, improved boot times and Xen 3. Torrents are available for the i386, ppc and x86_64 versions. The downloadable OSS edition lacks some packages for licensing reasons of which some, like Java, can be installed via package repository."
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Stability (Score:3, Insightful)
Also, the software is getting way to bloated. Why all the software packages SUSE?
Re:Stability (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Stability (Score:5, Insightful)
(Last Journal: Tuesday November 29 2005, @05:15PM)
I'm not sure what you mean by "hobbyists" but it sounds vaguely insulting.
IMHO it would be more accurate to say that SuSE 10 is a full-featured distro for linux power users, while the more verticalized sles/nld are meant for the corporate market, managers who don't mind things being a little stale, and who want to have an 800-number to call, any time, should they ever have any questions.
OpenSuSE is in some ways analagous to fedora, except that you can't get a boxed set of fedora linux, nor fedora manuals, nor any fedora support from the vendor, while with SuSE, you have the option of downloading and freely using OpenSuSE, or purchasing SuSE 10.0 retail, which comes with all the extras -
BTW I know of several small businesses running their networks and services on suse linux professional servers, and are quite happy with it. No "hobbyists" they!
Re:bloatedness - good point (Score:5, Informative)
Re:bloatedness - good point (Score:5, Insightful)
(http://www.aerthon.com/ | Last Journal: Friday October 18 2002, @12:34PM)
Re:bloatedness - good point (Score:5, Informative)
(http://robots.org.uk/)
Re:Stability (Score:5, Insightful)
(Last Journal: Tuesday November 29 2005, @05:15PM)
Also, the software is getting way to bloated. Why all the software packages SUSE?
As has been the case for years, suse releases an upgrade about every 6 months, so I'm not sure I understand what your objection is. Nobody is forcing you to upgrade - and if you prefer Slackware, run slackware.
As to the software getting "too bloated", nobody is forcing you to install anything - you can easily install a bare bones system, without X-windows if that makes you happy. It's all in the install menu, these are all very basic concepts.
PPC? (Score:5, Interesting)
Can never keep up... (Score:4, Funny)
Bah whatever (Score:1, Funny)
very pretty (Score:5, Interesting)
I hope XeN on x86_64 works better than on the RC (Score:3, Interesting)
Hopefully the release will be more effective. As for me, I'm playing with the 10.1 alpha, which I hear is what will eventually become SLES10.
10.0 is about when you rethink your naming scheme (Score:5, Funny)
Evolutionary or revolutionary? (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Evolutionary or revolutionary? (Score:4, Insightful)
gcc-4.x is a big, big step. If I were a distro, I'd make a major version bump just for gcc's major version bump if for no other reason. You want your clients to be very aware of all the potential fallout from the gcc upgrade, especially this early.
You can get an image with the proprietary software (Score:1, Informative)
_THE_ DISTRIBUTION (Score:4, Interesting)
And it seems that also the doing well on both the corporate (Novell Desktop, SuSE entreprise) and the freesoftware side with this glorious new release.
i really whish OpenSuse the best, yet im not installing right now since 9.3 still does all i need and i have a lack of spare time already. but i will be soon!
if you are installing make shure to check out:
http://www.suseforums.net/ [suseforums.net] -- all things suse inlcuding community support, and
http://packman.links2linux.org/ [links2linux.org] -- the missing (some times not fully legal) mulitmedia packages.
g'luck,
Cies Breijs.
I'm interested (Score:1)
I'm always slightly scared by the message 9.3 gave saying that (essentially) it could not guarentee to safety of my data.
Xen 3.0 (Score:5, Funny)
(http://samj.net/)
Re:Xen 3.0 (Score:4, Interesting)
http://www.opensuse.org/Xen3_Status_and_Updates [opensuse.org]
we can see that they have package a far from ready "xen 3.0" with their supposedly stable release of their distribution. maybe it really IS a more-or-less stable branch of the "still in development" xen cvs tree, but the xen developers don't see it fit yet to be released, so why should novell/suse?
i mean, maybe some of these "limitations" are really non-features/problems in the final xen3 (when it comes out), but this seriously doesn't sound all that great:
A bit off-topic, but... (Score:5, Funny)
...frankly, with a name like that, I wouldn't be able to write much of anything.
No disrespect to O0o0Oblubb!O0o0O... (Score:5, Funny)
Keyboard lockups fixed? (Score:1)
I love my Suse (Score:4, Interesting)
I'm a whatever tool works use it kinda guy and the same applys for distros. It's good to see all linux distros being updated and offering newer and better linux experiences. It's a shame Microsoft already took the slogin "Where do you want to go today?" because thats what each new version of Suse makes me think.
multiple apache instances (Score:1)
i use gentoo and i believe all the config files for an apache instance goes in
Package manager way too slow (Score:1)
(http://www.malti.org/)
OSS version? (Score:4, Interesting)
Did anyone else notice other OSS software in the list that SuSE left out of the OSS version claiming that it is NOT OSS when in fact it is?
And OpenXChange (Score:5, Informative)
(http://www.bigroom.org/wordpress)
Many of them, I think, are missing because of their dependency on (non-open-source) Java, which is not included. (In other words, Eclipse itself is OSS, but since it relies of non-OSS Java, they leave it out too.)
I have no idea about the bitstream vera fonts, though - that makes no sense to me at all, since I was sure they were distributed as open source...
Suse is weird (Score:1)
(http://cubemonkey.net/quotes)
Torrent mirror (Score:4, Informative)
(http://johnny.chadda.se/ | Last Journal: Thursday March 14 2002, @02:54AM)
By the way, I have tried the 10.0 RC1 and it was really great. The only thing not working is my P910i sync, but I'll work on that.
Anyone see a DVD version? (Score:2)
(Last Journal: Wednesday February 28 2007, @06:59PM)
GM? (Score:1)
Downloading/Installing (Score:1)
This is a quality distro (Score:2)
(Last Journal: Thursday January 12 2006, @10:28AM)
Will be installing OpenSUSE and Gnome over the weekend. From the sound of it, this new SUSE is faster than previous versions which were a bit too slow for me, and they are getting behind Gnome in a way they haven't before since they always majored on KDE and Gnome was a poor relative.
These are very exciting times for Linux considering the quality of so many distros now on offer.
Re:This is a quality distro (Score:4, Informative)
(http://slashdot.org/)
As for Novell 'shouting out' about OpenSuSE, please keep in mind that Novell is a corporate entity doing business with other corporate entities and is much more likely to tout the products that it sells, thus generating revenue which can then support community projects like OpenSuSE. OpenSuSE is not a make or break for Novel, it is more a gesture towards the community and a thumb in the eye of RedHat/Fedora. I am more impressed with Novel's decision to continue offering a supported consumer version of SuSE rather than abandoning the consumer market like RedHat.
Where is the source DVD? (Score:3, Interesting)
(http://www.doofus.org/)
As it is right now, I do not see the source code on their FTP site, nor do I see how they can fit everything for both the 32-bit and 64-bit and the source code on a single DVD unless they have cut back significantly on what's included.
The reason I'm looking for the source code is I want to see if they have added the Gentoo patch to Xorg to support the event interface for the mouse so I can take advantage of the extra buttons on my Logitech MX1000 mouse. I patched earlier versions of SuSE's X, but without the source I won't be able to do it with this version.
If I can apply this patch and if the kernel is more responsive on my Athlon64 I'll finally be able to switch my new desktop machine to my Athlon64. SuSE 9.3 tended to stutter at times when using the GUI. Also, hopefully some of the issues I've run into with V4L2 with my pcHDTV tuner card will also be addressed by the new kernel.
Fast fast fast (Score:2)
Multi Monitor Support? (Score:2)
is it all compiled with gcc 4.0.2 (Score:1)
Offical anouncement (Score:2)
(http://www.houghi.org/)
http://lists.opensuse.org/archive/opensuse-announ
If you are more interested in speed, because you thought SUSE was slow, look at http://www.opensuse.org/SUPER [opensuse.org] where they are waiting for developers to make thinsg even faster.
Issue with product highlights... (Score:2)
(http://slashdot.org/)
Urpmi works from command-line; apt-get works from command-line. Are they talking about an ncurses interface? Anyone ssh'ing in to update stuff doesn't want an ncurses interface, they want a command they can script with. While I'm on this topic, can all you distributions (at least the ones that rely on precompiled packages) PICK A DAMN PACKAGE MANAGER. You don't have to standardize the packages, use
x86_64 DVD iso torrent (Score:1)
This particular link takes a little effort to find. Them initial post links to the 5 CD collection, but I'll bet most would rather have the DVD image.
Been waiting for this for a little while now (Score:2)
(http://www.proxc.com/)
I understand the reasoning, but for most Linux distros it's becoming harder and harder to install without a CD (whether it be net install or full CD install). My laptop is usually very low end for its time, and so far I've never had one with a reliably-functioning CD drive (my current laptop doesn't read CDRs reliably). Not that floppy is much better, but this laptop won't boot from PCMCIA CDROM (at least the one I have) nor USB key.
Some modern distros like Ubuntu and Fedora don't seem to have any mechanism to create floppies (correct me if I'm wrong). OpenSUSE wants you to have all of CD1 to run mkbootdisk and generate who knows how many floppies. All I really need is a disk that RH and Mandrake used to have (maybe Mandriva still does) - one that can load pcmcia drivers and finish the install via CD. They also had a net driver alternative to do a net install.
Yeah, I know you can still install Debian via floppy. It's what I'm running now, but I have issues with fonts and power management and other tweaks for laptops that just don't seem to work quite right. The laptop ran various versions of Mandrake when it was my wife's for over 3 years, so I know the hardware is fairly compatible with Linux.
Getting back to SUSE, I'm downloading all the CDs via bittorrent. Considering no mirrors that I checked had the new RPMS yet, it didn't seem like a net install was worth attempting anyway. I think I'll try my hand at a network boot from my desktop.
Installing commercial apps (Score:3, Informative)
(http://freetennis.sourceforge.net/)
System Requirements? (Score:1)
Fast mirror in Spain (editors, highlit this) (Score:1)
(http://www.dominion.es/)
http://talika.eii.us.es/~javier/suse/ [eii.us.es]
100 megabits upload speed
Begorrah ! (Score:2)
(http://www.jollyboyscc.org.uk/)
What next ? "My Computer", "My Documents", "My Pictures", "My TextBox", "My DataGrid", "My Little Pony"...
Oh the imagination of these people.
boot.iso mirrors? (Score:1)
(http://karlsbakk.net/)
has anyone seen mirrors containing this file?
http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/SL-10.0
roy
ATI 9700 Pro on Suse 10.0? (Score:1)
(Last Journal: Tuesday May 24 2005, @09:00PM)
Noob review (first 18 hrs) (Score:1)
I have two physical disks in the home PC and I'd emptied out space on the second disk awhile back and had installed FC4. However, when I rebooted, I went directly into Windows XP. I never really solved that issue (which I assume was with GRUB) because I didn't really want FC4 anyway.
I figured that I could simply install Suse over the top of the partitions, etc. and, hopefully, could fix the boot issue. I was already beyond the understanding of the typical PC user. So, this really may not be fair, but the Suse installation was quite painful.
Why? I'll explain. I popped in the CD1 and rebooted. The installation started fine. Okay, a particularly ugly screen asks which language; same (really) ugly screen asks me to accept a license; same (hideously) ugly screen asks about a timezone. Then it hits... I can't honestly remember what the responses were like the first time through, but by the fourth time, I was pretty frustrated with the amount of time that it was taking to 'analyze' the software configuration-- over which I had not yet had any control.
The partitioning was screwed up, but I expected that. This partitioning issue was the real reason that I went through the process several times. Part of it IS my fault, but part of it is Suse's. First time through, it wants to resize the Windows partition, I say 'no', let's use the partitions that I already have setup for Linux... It bombs. It can't deal with that because it wants the partition to be (physically?) at the 'end' of the disk-- WTF?
Okay, reboot into XP and move all the data off the end partition. I note, with some interest, that I am able to see the Linux stuff out there. This is something that I didn't expect. So, I decided that I'd wack all the partitions and make them one, big, unpartitioned space at the end of the drive. Moved all the stuff off and created a new partition at the 'front' of the drive. Moved everything there. Rebooted and started the install again. Damn thing didn't recognize hdb (I tried several times). All that space... worthless. The installation wants to resize the Windows partition... Damn!
Reboot into XP and create a new, big NTFS partition on the (hdb) second drive, and move everything out there. Now, I have an empty space on the primary drive, which is probably better, but I've now spent several hours moving files and watching Suse analyze the software configuration. Reboot into the install. Everything seems to be going okay. Bam!
Unable to mount the Windows partitions (I think it was trying to set 'mount points'... I can't be sure (noob)). Interestingly, it had recognized the hdb this time. Some (other) wierd thing happens and I hang! WTF!?
Reboot into the install... smooth sailing... recognizes and is able to mount the windows partitions... loading the software... CD3 won't read (tried several times)... that's odd.
Take CD3 and put it in wife's computer. It reads. I put it back in. It reads and the install continues... wow... that was close.
By this point, Windows TCO is looking better and better. I'm frustrated.
Finally, I get it installed. Now the moment of truth... the reboot. If the Grub issue wasn't resolved, Linux is still not for me-- I've had it. The issue was resolved, though, and I now have a dual boot Suse and XP machine! Moved some data, cleaned some stuff off of windows, and went to bed.
So,
Re:Interesting, but only if a certain bug is fixed (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Improved supported hardware database would be n (Score:1)
Re:ZOMG sUse IS TEH BEST BISTRO EVAR (Score:1)
(http://rogers-blog.blogspot.com/ | Last Journal: Friday November 18 2005, @07:19PM)
Re:ZOMG sUse IS TEH BEST BISTRO EVAR (Score:1)
interesting Troll (Score:1, Informative)
One of those cases where the person could be mistaken, lying, or just mad.
If only it was possible to do psychometrics on trolls.
Re:Interesting, but only if a certain bug is fixed (Score:2)
(http://www.doofus.org/)
Here is the real information on this (Score:1, Interesting)
(http://venganza.org/)
Windows crashes automatically if you don't switch off the machine for
49.7 days.This is accepted by Microsoft.
Do you know why?
In windows the Virtual Machine Manager(VMM) is responsible for
creation, execution, monitoring and termination of virtual machines. This VMM is a
32 bit protected mode operating system, provides a number of system
service at chip level of programming.
One of these services is "Get_System_Time". This particular service
loads the EAX register with the time in milliseconds since Windows
started.This service is accurate to 1ms.
EAX is a 32 bit register. So the maximum number of milliseconds it can
hold is:
(2^32) - 1 = 4294967295 milliseconds
= 4294967.295 seconds
= 71582.79 minutes
= 1193 hours
= 49.7 days
So after 49.7 days the EAX resets to zero.Most of the Drivers use this
Time Service to keep track of the time out of various services they
provide. So after 49.7 days the drives cannot use the Get_System_Time
funtion of VMM and they crash.
Re:OpenSuSE (Score:1)
(http://www.users.on.net/~rgarth/weblog)
Re:RHEL 4 U 2 released yesterday (Score:2)
(http://slashdot.org/)
Right now, I am extremely satisifed with SuSE 9.3 on my desktop and CentOS 4.0.1 on my server. For real work with a supported distro I would definitely call up Novell and see if a sales rep could come over and talk about SLES!