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SUSE 10.0 OSS Released

Posted by CowboyNeal on Thu Oct 06, 2005 05:26 PM
from the love-the-lizard dept.
O0o0Oblubb!O0o0O writes "Today, Novell released SuSE 10.0 OSS for download. Product highlights include kernel 2.6.13, gcc 4.0.2, glibc 2.3.5, improved boot times and Xen 3. Torrents are available for the i386, ppc and x86_64 versions. The downloadable OSS edition lacks some packages for licensing reasons of which some, like Java, can be installed via package repository."
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  • Stability (Score:3, Insightful)

    by michaelzhao (801080) on Thursday October 06 2005, @05:29PM (#13735021)
    With SUSE releasing one suite after another. I sometimes wonder about stability. When was 9.3 released? Wasn't it only a few months ago? I wish SUSE should find a way to follow Slackware's model of stable releases without sacrificing too much market share.

    Also, the software is getting way to bloated. Why all the software packages SUSE?
  • PPC? (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Anubis350 (772791) on Thursday October 06 2005, @05:32PM (#13735052)
    I had been under the impression that SuSE had not had a ppc release in a while (since~7.2?). Glad to see they're back with it, it might just tempt me to migrate my apple-debian servers to SuSE ppc (I love SuSE's config tools).
    • Re:PPC? by diegocgteleline.es (Score:2) Thursday October 06 2005, @06:18PM
    • Re:PPC? by Daemonik (Score:2) Thursday October 06 2005, @07:26PM
    • Re:PPC? by commodoresloat (Score:2) Thursday October 06 2005, @08:44PM
    • yast4debian by opk (Score:2) Friday October 07 2005, @04:23AM
  • Can never keep up... (Score:4, Funny)

    by TypoNAM (695420) on Thursday October 06 2005, @05:32PM (#13735055)
    Damnit. I just received my SuSE 9.3 Professional DVD from Novell last week and it's already outdated. I can never seem to keep up to date on software these days. :(
  • Bah whatever (Score:1, Funny)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 06 2005, @05:32PM (#13735062)
    Slackware 10.0 was released ages ago.
  • very pretty (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 06 2005, @05:34PM (#13735073)
  • by cduffy (652) <charles+slashdotNO@SPAMdyfis.net> on Thursday October 06 2005, @05:34PM (#13735075)
    Per subject. I've done testing at my place at work using the release candidate (we're interested in Xen3 on x86_64... once SLES10 comes out and it's fully supported, of course), and it wasn't exactly successful. It did give me a chance to file some bugs, and Novell reported one of them fixed in their bugtracker -- but I still was unable to start up a DomU.

    Hopefully the release will be more effective. As for me, I'm playing with the 10.1 alpha, which I hear is what will eventually become SLES10.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 06 2005, @05:35PM (#13735085)
    Seriously, is there any software out there that is like version 18? Well, I guess emacs is at 21....
  • Evolutionary or revolutionary? (Score:5, Interesting)

    by claes (25551) on Thursday October 06 2005, @05:38PM (#13735103)
    Is there anything in particular that motivates the jump in major version, or is it just a marketing thing? I purchased 9.3 - will 10.0 bring me anything that is new and interesting, or just more recent packages of the same software? For example, exactly how is the faster boot process accomplished? Are there new configuration modules in Yast? New features in package managment? New freedesktop standards implemented, new LSB standards implemented.. what is really interesting about this release, what should make me jump to upgrade?
  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 06 2005, @05:38PM (#13735110)
  • _THE_ DISTRIBUTION (Score:4, Interesting)

    by cies (318343) on Thursday October 06 2005, @05:45PM (#13735153)
    okay, okay... we all still have to test it. but this has good potential to become _the_ distribution. It performs we on both the server side with (with standards, service, licencing, training, certifying, oracle, etc. etc.), and on the desktop side (with loads of UI improvements, YaST, quicker booting, suspend to disk, automatic network configuring).

    And it seems that also the doing well on both the corporate (Novell Desktop, SuSE entreprise) and the freesoftware side with this glorious new release.

    i really whish OpenSuse the best, yet im not installing right now since 9.3 still does all i need and i have a lack of spare time already. but i will be soon!

    if you are installing make shure to check out:
    http://www.suseforums.net/ [suseforums.net] -- all things suse inlcuding community support, and
    http://packman.links2linux.org/ [links2linux.org] -- the missing (some times not fully legal) mulitmedia packages.

    g'luck,
    Cies Breijs.

  • I'm interested (Score:1)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 06 2005, @05:46PM (#13735163)
    How safe is it to allow Suse to partition my windows SATA drive and install a dual boot config on it?

    I'm always slightly scared by the message 9.3 gave saying that (essentially) it could not guarentee to safety of my data.
  • Xen 3.0 (Score:5, Funny)

    by samj (115984) * on Thursday October 06 2005, @05:47PM (#13735171)
    (http://samj.net/)
    This is the best news I've heard all day - I can't even get Xen 3.0 from Xen [cam.ac.uk], so I guess they've thrown in TimeTravel 1.0 as well.
    • Re:Xen 3.0 (Score:4, Interesting)

      by jonastullus (530101) on Thursday October 06 2005, @05:59PM (#13735273)
      yeah, and when having a closer look at their feature list:

      http://www.opensuse.org/Xen3_Status_and_Updates [opensuse.org]

      we can see that they have package a far from ready "xen 3.0" with their supposedly stable release of their distribution. maybe it really IS a more-or-less stable branch of the "still in development" xen cvs tree, but the xen developers don't see it fit yet to be released, so why should novell/suse?

      i mean, maybe some of these "limitations" are really non-features/problems in the final xen3 (when it comes out), but this seriously doesn't sound all that great:

      • Graphics (AGP, DRM, 3D) don't work or even crash the machine
      • Hardware support is still limited (e.g. no PCMCIA)
      • ACPI support in Domain-0 is limited (e.g. no cpufreq)
      • 32 Bit kernel is not PAE enabled
      • Full virtualization on VT not well tested
      • Other Operating System support on top of Xen and VT not tested

      [ Parent ]
      • Re:Xen 3.0 by GiMP (Score:2) Thursday October 06 2005, @10:21PM
      • Re:Xen 3.0 by Billly Gates (Score:2) Thursday October 06 2005, @10:39PM
      • Re:Xen 3.0 by clymere (Score:2) Friday October 07 2005, @04:52AM
    • Sorry to burst your bubble by commodoresloat (Score:2) Thursday October 06 2005, @08:50PM
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  • A bit off-topic, but... (Score:5, Funny)

    by TooMuchEspressoGuy (763203) on Thursday October 06 2005, @05:48PM (#13735174)
    "O0o0Oblubb!O0o0O writes..."

    ...frankly, with a name like that, I wouldn't be able to write much of anything.

  • by Darune (716587) on Thursday October 06 2005, @05:50PM (#13735195)
    No disrespect to O0o0Oblubb!O0o0O, but when I first glimpsed the article I thought CowboyNeal was having a heart attack. ;p
  • by FromageTheDog (775349) on Thursday October 06 2005, @05:55PM (#13735237)
    I've been unable to run any of the latest flavors of SuSE on my Dell workstation since the (PS/2 port) keyboard is totally unresponsive when booted into Linux (works fine in Windows). Any word on whether they've solved this issue in SuSE 10? I mean, how can they screw up the driver to a PS/2 keyboard in this day and age? - Fromage
  • I love my Suse (Score:4, Interesting)

    by nrgy (835451) on Thursday October 06 2005, @06:00PM (#13735277)
    I was a on and off suse user from 7.0 to 8."something". Then I left windows and stuck with suse from 9.0 to the present. I love suse for a noob distro. I like the fact that if you want to not worry about the core workings you dont have to, or if you want to not worry but still be able to learn you can. I've gradualy learned to work in the terminal more, do alot of things in the command line, compiling my applications and even started programing my own little tools in c and c++.

    I'm a whatever tool works use it kinda guy and the same applys for distros. It's good to see all linux distros being updated and offering newer and better linux experiences. It's a shame Microsoft already took the slogin "Where do you want to go today?" because thats what each new version of Suse makes me think.
  • by mark_lybarger (199098) on Thursday October 06 2005, @06:00PM (#13735280)
    anyone comment on running multiple apache instances on this suse 10.0? we're using the 9.x, and it seems that the recommendation is to just have the single apache listen on multiple ports. i'm interested in multiple instances of apache that can be restarted or at least re-read their config files w/o interrupting the other instances.

    i use gentoo and i believe all the config files for an apache instance goes in /etc/apache2. the init script references this folder. so running multiple instances just needs a new init script and a new folder with config files.
  • by lixee (863589) on Thursday October 06 2005, @06:05PM (#13735319)
    (http://www.malti.org/)
    SUSE is an excellent distro (especially for newbies like myself). I dropped it starting from 9.2 though, because the package manager was astonishingly slow.
  • OSS version? (Score:4, Interesting)

    by AstroDrabb (534369) on Thursday October 06 2005, @06:12PM (#13735362)
    From this page [novell.com] at Novell titled "Packages on the retail version and not the OSS version of SUSE Linux 10.0". It lists packages that you would get if you bought the retail version because those packages are not OSS? I have not looked at the whole list yet, however, a few big ticket-items (to me) stood out:
    eclipse-gtk2-3.1-4.i586.rpm
    eclipse-jdt-3.1-4.i586.rpm
    eclipse-platform-3.1-4.i586.rpm
    eclipse-scripts-3.1-4.i586.rpm
    Since when did Eclipse become non-OSS? According to www.eclipse.org [eclipse.org]
    Eclipse is an open source community whose projects are focused on providing an extensible development platform and application frameworks for building software. Eclipse provides extensible tools and frameworks that span the software development lifecycle, including support for modeling, language development environments for Java, C/C++ and others, testing and performance, business intelligence, rich client applications and embedded development. A large, vibrant ecosystem of major technology vendors, innovative start-ups, universities and research institutions and individuals extend, complement and support the Eclipse Platform.
    There is another one I noticed:
    bitstream-vera-1.10-169.noarch.rpm
    I thought the Bitstream Vera fonts were release under an OSS license? I know I have enjoyed those excellent fonts under Fedora for a while now. Why doesn't SuSE OSS offer them in the OSS version?

    Did anyone else notice other OSS software in the list that SuSE left out of the OSS version claiming that it is NOT OSS when in fact it is?

    • And OpenXChange (Score:5, Informative)

      by Dr.Dubious DDQ (11968) on Thursday October 06 2005, @06:15PM (#13735382)
      (http://www.bigroom.org/wordpress)

      Many of them, I think, are missing because of their dependency on (non-open-source) Java, which is not included. (In other words, Eclipse itself is OSS, but since it relies of non-OSS Java, they leave it out too.)

      I have no idea about the bitstream vera fonts, though - that makes no sense to me at all, since I was sure they were distributed as open source...

      [ Parent ]
    • Re:OSS version? by GiMP (Score:2) Thursday October 06 2005, @10:27PM
    • Re:OSS version? by MooUK (Score:1) Friday October 07 2005, @03:24AM
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  • Suse is weird (Score:1)

    by illuminix (456294) on Thursday October 06 2005, @06:13PM (#13735365)
    (http://cubemonkey.net/quotes)
    SUSE is a decent distro, but it's a little wacky .. in a Goldmember from Austin Powers kinda way. I think it's the "Have a lot of fun!" bit. I dunno :)

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  • Torrent mirror (Score:4, Informative)

    by zeth (452280) on Thursday October 06 2005, @06:15PM (#13735378)
    (http://johnny.chadda.se/ | Last Journal: Thursday March 14 2002, @02:54AM)
    I tried downloading the torrents from the ftp a while back and it was bogged. I have a copy of them, if their servers get bogged down again at http://johnny.chadda.se/2005/10/06/suse-100-finall y-released/ [chadda.se]

    By the way, I have tried the 10.0 RC1 and it was really great. The only thing not working is my P910i sync, but I'll work on that. :)
  • And not the eval? I can't stand having to burn and insert, take out, insert etc etc 4 or 5 CDs just to install an OS. Put the DVD in, set it up to install, go for coffee, come back, all done.

  • GM? (Score:1)

    by elliott666 (447115) on Thursday October 06 2005, @06:31PM (#13735488)
    What does the GM in the ISO names stand for?
    • Re:GM? by Ruediger (Score:2) Thursday October 06 2005, @06:58PM
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  • by straight_up (921023) on Thursday October 06 2005, @06:40PM (#13735538)
    What is the easiest way to download and install Linux if one is a virtual n00b such as myself? It would go on the same disk as Win XP.
  • by FishandChips (695645) on Thursday October 06 2005, @06:46PM (#13735573)
    (Last Journal: Thursday January 12 2006, @10:28AM)
    Really admire SUSE and have used it for several years now. I only wish Novell admired the tremendous care and hard work put in by the SUSE engineers, but if you go to the front page of http://www.novell.com/ [novell.com] you'd be pushed to know Novell even have SUSE. This new version and the new OpenSUSE initiative are things to shout about, one might think. Sigh. Novell are their own worst enemies.

    Will be installing OpenSUSE and Gnome over the weekend. From the sound of it, this new SUSE is faster than previous versions which were a bit too slow for me, and they are getting behind Gnome in a way they haven't before since they always majored on KDE and Gnome was a poor relative.

    These are very exciting times for Linux considering the quality of so many distros now on offer.
    • Re:This is a quality distro by big tex (Score:2) Thursday October 06 2005, @07:41PM
    • Re:This is a quality distro (Score:4, Informative)

      by Daemonik (171801) on Thursday October 06 2005, @07:49PM (#13735919)
      (http://slashdot.org/)
      Really admire SUSE and have used it for several years now. I only wish Novell admired the tremendous care and hard work put in by the SUSE engineers, but if you go to the front page of http://www.novell.com/ [novell.com] you'd be pushed to know Novell even have SUSE. This new version and the new OpenSUSE initiative are things to shout about, one might think. Sigh. Novell are their own worst enemies.
      SuSE Linux and SuSE Enterprise Server are listed under Products directly on that page. They receive no special attention but then they aren't hidden either. There's also a rather prominent Flash add detailing 10 reasons to choose Novel Linux solutions.

      As for Novell 'shouting out' about OpenSuSE, please keep in mind that Novell is a corporate entity doing business with other corporate entities and is much more likely to tout the products that it sells, thus generating revenue which can then support community projects like OpenSuSE. OpenSuSE is not a make or break for Novel, it is more a gesture towards the community and a thumb in the eye of RedHat/Fedora. I am more impressed with Novel's decision to continue offering a supported consumer version of SuSE rather than abandoning the consumer market like RedHat.

      [ Parent ]
  • Where is the source DVD? (Score:3, Interesting)

    I received my copy of SuSE 10 today but have yet to install it. One thing I noticed is that the source DVD is no longer included. Version 9.3 Professional included 5 CDs and 2 DVDs, one DVD containing the source code. Hopefully it won't require me to go to SuSE's FTP site, which has always been notoriously slow (hopefully some of the mirrors will have the source code).

    As it is right now, I do not see the source code on their FTP site, nor do I see how they can fit everything for both the 32-bit and 64-bit and the source code on a single DVD unless they have cut back significantly on what's included.

    The reason I'm looking for the source code is I want to see if they have added the Gentoo patch to Xorg to support the event interface for the mouse so I can take advantage of the extra buttons on my Logitech MX1000 mouse. I patched earlier versions of SuSE's X, but without the source I won't be able to do it with this version.

    If I can apply this patch and if the kernel is more responsive on my Athlon64 I'll finally be able to switch my new desktop machine to my Athlon64. SuSE 9.3 tended to stutter at times when using the GUI. Also, hopefully some of the issues I've run into with V4L2 with my pcHDTV tuner card will also be addressed by the new kernel.
  • Fast fast fast (Score:2)

    by ScrewMaster (602015) on Thursday October 06 2005, @07:08PM (#13735701)
    Once again, the Slashdot Torrent Enhancement Subsystem takes over and makes downloading a large distro a broadband breeze.
  • by EGSonikku (519478) <Robert@ E l i t e G a m e r .com> on Thursday October 06 2005, @08:06PM (#13736001)
    Iv'e tried SuSE and other Linux distro's before, but I keep running into what is (for me) a major problem. Multi monitor support. Specifically, 2 monitors (a 17" LCD and an 19" LCD), both being driven from my nVidia 6800. In Windows, it works perfectly. I can drag my mouse/apps between both screens, and can maximise apps to one screen or the other (apps recognise that there are in fact 2 screens, and not one really wide one), and apps remember which window they were opened on previously and default back to that window. Is this possible to do in Linux w/o a major headache? /love 2 monitor's, can't go back
  • by epaton (884617) on Thursday October 06 2005, @09:00PM (#13736252)
    is the distro compiled with the latest gcc or does it just ship with it, my understanding is 3.4 still produces significantly faster code and most suse users would probably prefer a more cautious approach anyway.
  • by houghi (78078) on Thursday October 06 2005, @09:06PM (#13736283)
    (http://www.houghi.org/)
    The official anouncement can be found here:
    http://lists.opensuse.org/archive/opensuse-announc e/2005-Oct/0003.html [opensuse.org]

    If you are more interested in speed, because you thought SUSE was slow, look at http://www.opensuse.org/SUPER [opensuse.org] where they are waiting for developers to make thinsg even faster.
  • by peter_gzowski (465076) on Thursday October 06 2005, @09:42PM (#13736455)
    (http://slashdot.org/)
    a YaST config utility that works as well in xterm/tty (ncurses) mode as it does in graphical mode. This is quite unique;

    Urpmi works from command-line; apt-get works from command-line. Are they talking about an ncurses interface? Anyone ssh'ing in to update stuff doesn't want an ncurses interface, they want a command they can script with. While I'm on this topic, can all you distributions (at least the ones that rely on precompiled packages) PICK A DAMN PACKAGE MANAGER. You don't have to standardize the packages, use .deb or .rpm or .foo for all I care, just use the same management system, and then you can all use the same GUI based on this management system. Is this that hard? Someone out there is going to tell me that choice is good, and that I can install apt/synaptic on many distributions. Fine, when all the standard repositories for all the distributions are apt-ready, and all the distributions integrate Synaptic into their central config utility, I'll do that. Until then, I have put up with a plethora of apt-wannabes, all with different pretty GUIs, all fixing their own bugs and implementing the same features.
  • by freakmaster (578674) <freakmaster76@@@gmail...com> on Thursday October 06 2005, @09:53PM (#13736502)
    http://ftp.suse.com/pub/suse/x86_64/10.0/iso/SUSE- 10.0-EvalDVD-x86_64-GM.iso.torrent [suse.com]


    This particular link takes a little effort to find. Them initial post links to the 5 CD collection, but I'll bet most would rather have the DVD image.



  • by proxima (165692) on Thursday October 06 2005, @10:07PM (#13736556)
    (http://www.proxc.com/)
    I've been eager to try SUSE for a while, and their OSS release seems like the ideal time.

    I understand the reasoning, but for most Linux distros it's becoming harder and harder to install without a CD (whether it be net install or full CD install). My laptop is usually very low end for its time, and so far I've never had one with a reliably-functioning CD drive (my current laptop doesn't read CDRs reliably). Not that floppy is much better, but this laptop won't boot from PCMCIA CDROM (at least the one I have) nor USB key.

    Some modern distros like Ubuntu and Fedora don't seem to have any mechanism to create floppies (correct me if I'm wrong). OpenSUSE wants you to have all of CD1 to run mkbootdisk and generate who knows how many floppies. All I really need is a disk that RH and Mandrake used to have (maybe Mandriva still does) - one that can load pcmcia drivers and finish the install via CD. They also had a net driver alternative to do a net install.

    Yeah, I know you can still install Debian via floppy. It's what I'm running now, but I have issues with fonts and power management and other tweaks for laptops that just don't seem to work quite right. The laptop ran various versions of Mandrake when it was my wife's for over 3 years, so I know the hardware is fairly compatible with Linux.

    Getting back to SUSE, I'm downloading all the CDs via bittorrent. Considering no mirrors that I checked had the new RPMS yet, it didn't seem like a net install was worth attempting anyway. I think I'll try my hand at a network boot from my desktop.
  • Installing commercial apps (Score:3, Informative)

    by seguso (760241) on Friday October 07 2005, @01:47AM (#13737503)
    (http://freetennis.sourceforge.net/)
    Here is a guide for adding sources to Yast and installing proprietary applications (java, realplayer, codecs, dvd capabilities, acrobat reader...) : http://www.thejemreport.com/mambo/content/view/178 /42/ [thejemreport.com]
  • by nintendo_is_a_cereal (891137) on Friday October 07 2005, @02:10AM (#13737572)
    Are there minimum requirements? I tried the 9.3 live DVD on my laptop hoping to see if I could find a replacement for WinXP, but it crashed and gave me an out of memory leak. The dvd worked fine on my desktop machine with the exception of my sound card still not being supported (same problem I had last time I considered migrating). But yeah, if I could get it running on my laptop and have my wireless card work that'd be swell...
  • You have a fast mirror of SuSE 10.0 here:

    http://talika.eii.us.es/~javier/suse/ [eii.us.es]

    100 megabits upload speed

  • Begorrah ! (Score:2)

    by 'Tractor' Barry (788340) on Friday October 07 2005, @06:34AM (#13738221)
    (http://www.jollyboyscc.org.uk/)
    If anyone thinks I'm installing an operating system that has a bloody "My Computer" icon they can think again...

    What next ? "My Computer", "My Documents", "My Pictures", "My TextBox", "My DataGrid", "My Little Pony"...

    Oh the imagination of these people.

    • Re:Begorrah ! by LittleLebowskiUrbanA (Score:2) Friday October 07 2005, @07:01AM
  • boot.iso mirrors? (Score:1)

    by Compunerd (107084) on Friday October 07 2005, @07:13AM (#13738358)
    (http://karlsbakk.net/)
    hi

    has anyone seen mirrors containing this file?
    http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/SL-10.0- OSS/inst-source/boot/boot.iso [opensuse.org]

    roy
  • by dgrati (877339) on Friday October 07 2005, @09:25AM (#13739232)
    (Last Journal: Tuesday May 24 2005, @09:00PM)
    Does Suse 10 support ati 9700 grfx cards out of the box? Or do we go through that painstaking ritual again.
  • by shummer_mc (903125) on Friday October 07 2005, @01:02PM (#13741247)
    I guess I only get to do this once (I won't be a noob after this). I finally decided that I'd had enough of the M$onopoly and DRM. So, I went out and looked at the different distributions of Linux. To be fair, I installed Mandrake (several years ago), but never really used it. So, after a bit of research, I decided on Suse 10.0. Why? Well, I like the idea of the Reiser FS, and I like free. OpenSuse seemed like a good fit. I also didn't want something terribly complex (I'm a noob, and I'd like to switch the whole family-- who are even more noob than I am). I'm a bit disappointed, honestly. Here's my review.

    I have two physical disks in the home PC and I'd emptied out space on the second disk awhile back and had installed FC4. However, when I rebooted, I went directly into Windows XP. I never really solved that issue (which I assume was with GRUB) because I didn't really want FC4 anyway.

    I figured that I could simply install Suse over the top of the partitions, etc. and, hopefully, could fix the boot issue. I was already beyond the understanding of the typical PC user. So, this really may not be fair, but the Suse installation was quite painful.

    Why? I'll explain. I popped in the CD1 and rebooted. The installation started fine. Okay, a particularly ugly screen asks which language; same (really) ugly screen asks me to accept a license; same (hideously) ugly screen asks about a timezone. Then it hits... I can't honestly remember what the responses were like the first time through, but by the fourth time, I was pretty frustrated with the amount of time that it was taking to 'analyze' the software configuration-- over which I had not yet had any control.

    The partitioning was screwed up, but I expected that. This partitioning issue was the real reason that I went through the process several times. Part of it IS my fault, but part of it is Suse's. First time through, it wants to resize the Windows partition, I say 'no', let's use the partitions that I already have setup for Linux... It bombs. It can't deal with that because it wants the partition to be (physically?) at the 'end' of the disk-- WTF?

    Okay, reboot into XP and move all the data off the end partition. I note, with some interest, that I am able to see the Linux stuff out there. This is something that I didn't expect. So, I decided that I'd wack all the partitions and make them one, big, unpartitioned space at the end of the drive. Moved all the stuff off and created a new partition at the 'front' of the drive. Moved everything there. Rebooted and started the install again. Damn thing didn't recognize hdb (I tried several times). All that space... worthless. The installation wants to resize the Windows partition... Damn!

    Reboot into XP and create a new, big NTFS partition on the (hdb) second drive, and move everything out there. Now, I have an empty space on the primary drive, which is probably better, but I've now spent several hours moving files and watching Suse analyze the software configuration. Reboot into the install. Everything seems to be going okay. Bam!

    Unable to mount the Windows partitions (I think it was trying to set 'mount points'... I can't be sure (noob)). Interestingly, it had recognized the hdb this time. Some (other) wierd thing happens and I hang! WTF!?

    Reboot into the install... smooth sailing... recognizes and is able to mount the windows partitions... loading the software... CD3 won't read (tried several times)... that's odd.

    Take CD3 and put it in wife's computer. It reads. I put it back in. It reads and the install continues... wow... that was close.

    By this point, Windows TCO is looking better and better. I'm frustrated.

    Finally, I get it installed. Now the moment of truth... the reboot. If the Grub issue wasn't resolved, Linux is still not for me-- I've had it. The issue was resolved, though, and I now have a dual boot Suse and XP machine! Moved some data, cleaned some stuff off of windows, and went to bed.

    So,
  • by ZakuSage (874456) on Thursday October 06 2005, @05:44PM (#13735145)
    I have a friend who's had their Linux server running since the last blackout here, appx 10 months ago.
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  • by nordi (563015) on Thursday October 06 2005, @06:12PM (#13735359)
    You might want to take a look at Suse's Hardware Compatibility List http://www.opensuse.org/HCL [opensuse.org]. Still needs to be expanded, but the notebook section is already quite populated. Remember, it's a wiki, so you can easily add stuff.
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  • -1 AOL speak
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  • by Celsius 233 (913263) on Thursday October 06 2005, @06:45PM (#13735568)
    Indeed, it is. Try the soup.
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  • interesting Troll (Score:1, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 06 2005, @06:56PM (#13735620)
    Google the number 49.7

    One of those cases where the person could be mistaken, lying, or just mad.

    If only it was possible to do psychometrics on trolls.
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  • I am not aware of a problem after 49.7 days, but there was a bug that was fixed around 2.4.21 where the kernel uptime counter would roll over after 497 days. I can validate this since my server has been up for 793 days. When it hit 497 days, the uptime counter rolled over. The machine is running SuSE Linux Professional 8.2 with kernel 2.4.20. At first I tried to figure out why it had crashed, until going through the logs I found it didn't crash, only rolled over. Makes it a bit of a pain when I have to keep adding 497 to the uptime (which currently reports 296 days). Now you might be thinking of Windows 95 and 98, which both had a problem which caused them to possibly reboot after 49.7 days due to a similar problem (google for 49.7). Though my Windows 95 box also often stays up for much longer than that, though it is usually idle and runs no 3rd party software (it's an embedded device).
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  • Here is the real information on this (Score:1, Interesting)

    by TheOneBiscuit (848777) on Thursday October 06 2005, @10:42PM (#13736750)
    (http://venganza.org/)
    (Taken from a post by gsrdemon)

    Windows crashes automatically if you don't switch off the machine for
    49.7 days.This is accepted by Microsoft.

    Do you know why?

    In windows the Virtual Machine Manager(VMM) is responsible for
    creation, execution, monitoring and termination of virtual machines. This VMM is a
    32 bit protected mode operating system, provides a number of system
    service at chip level of programming.

    One of these services is "Get_System_Time". This particular service
    loads the EAX register with the time in milliseconds since Windows
    started.This service is accurate to 1ms.

    EAX is a 32 bit register. So the maximum number of milliseconds it can
    hold is:

    (2^32) - 1 = 4294967295 milliseconds
    = 4294967.295 seconds
    = 71582.79 minutes
    = 1193 hours
    = 49.7 days

    So after 49.7 days the EAX resets to zero.Most of the Drivers use this
    Time Service to keep track of the time out of various services they
    provide. So after 49.7 days the drives cannot use the Get_System_Time
    funtion of VMM and they crash.
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  • The OSS version is opensuse
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  • by ksp (203038) on Friday October 07 2005, @03:40AM (#13737804)
    (http://slashdot.org/)
    Nice. I am eagerly awaiting the same updates from CentOS soon. Meanwhile, I can get SuSE 10.0 as a free (and Free) download to play with on my other box. When a retail version has stabilized, I expect to pick it up as 10.1 or 10.2 in the store - including Java and Flash and all the other stuff the OSS version is missing. I don't care about support, but I hope the OSS community version will further improve and speed up handling of bugs, feature requests and removal of bloat.

    Right now, I am extremely satisifed with SuSE 9.3 on my desktop and CentOS 4.0.1 on my server. For real work with a supported distro I would definitely call up Novell and see if a sales rep could come over and talk about SLES!
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