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Knoppix 3.8 at CeBIT w/ Kernel 2.6, FF, and More 283
clsc writes "The German tech news site Heise Online reports that Knoppix 3.8 is being presented at CeBIT (Hall 9, Stand C39). Knoppix 3.8 has kernel 2.6 as default, KDE 3.3.2, OpenOffice 1.1.4, as well as... Firefox 1.0 and Thunderbird 1.0. There's also a really neato new thing involving unionfs . It seems to imply that you can change most anything on the running system, even as it is running from CD - and changes can be stored too (even on NTFS)."
cool (Score:4, Interesting)
the best is always improvable (Score:2, Informative)
1 - problem with captive ntfs (doesn't work unless you add the appropriate user and group). It's easier for me to use BartPE or Winternals.
2 - inadequite x support for flatscreen monitors (yes, I have tried many different cheatcodes for fixing this, even copying what is set on the native os) It seems there is about a 10-20% failure rate.
Having said that I am look
Re:the best is always improvable (Score:3, Informative)
Knoppix is really good (Score:5, Interesting)
That's how I decided which fileservers to buy to run my distribution center.
Re:Knoppix is really good (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Knoppix is really good (Score:3, Insightful)
"Sir!. I want you to leave the store. Or else I'll have to call the police. Your |\/|4D h4x0R 5k1Lz have no place here."
But seriously. I believe you have to be prepared to use about 30 minutes to explain to the clerk what you are trying to do. Too many have not heard about Linux (and even fewer have heard about Knoppix) and think you are damaging the setup of the computers.
Re:Knoppix is really good (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Knoppix is really good (Score:2)
Try booting up with Knoppix STD [securetarget.net] and see what kind of reception you get.
Re:Knoppix is really good (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Knoppix is really good (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Bullshit! (Score:2)
Re:Bullshit! (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Knoppix is really good (Score:4, Informative)
However, the main OS on that laptop is Ubuntu Warty. I've never had a single problem concerning the hardware, everything works like a charm since the installation, the current Hoary LiveCD runs perfectly.
I agree to using Knoppix to test a laptop at the store, because if it works well it'll be a great Linux machine - but you might miss out on a few deals.
I guess the conclusion is: Try the LiveCD of the distro you want to install. If you want to install Ubuntu later, don't try Knoppix on the machine, it might make a difference.
Note of caution (Score:3, Informative)
Really has me frustrated. BTW, the hardware in question is an Alienware Area-51m
Re:Funny (Score:2)
Re:Funny (Score:2)
Please don't ever say that goatse is harmless again. Your little experiment would have been much funnier (and less traumatising) if you'd used a pic like this. [shakykaiser.com]
but the real question is... (Score:2, Funny)
Re:but the real question is... (Score:5, Funny)
Or alternatively Gnomorrea?
... FluxPox maybe?
Re:but the real question is... (Score:2, Funny)
Knoppix has come full circle (Score:5, Insightful)
Now with lots of machines with 512 Mb and greater RAM, a LiveCD doesn't sound that bad. This unionfs thing clinches it - but the catch is still that if you change your machine, all this is lost. All that said, LiveCDs are here to stay (I think LiveDVDs might be just around the corner ..)
Re:Knoppix has come full circle (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Knoppix has come full circle (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Knoppix has come full circle (Score:2)
on a pII and early pIIIs knoppix does seem to crawl quite a bit...
Live DVD (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Knoppix has come full circle (Score:2)
Saw this little beauty in thinkgeek the other day:
http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/electronic/5a05/Re:Knoppix has come full circle (Score:2)
"Monitor unauthorized access to your computer or your network. Use it to troubleshoot or make fixes by tracing back through a users command sequence."
keyloggers (Score:3, Informative)
However, it's plenty easy to install a hardware keylogger undetectably inside a chassis.
There are easier, safer ways [admin.com] for public terminal security.
Re:keyloggers (Score:2)
I was thinking about a graphical menu - looks I was wrong: http://keystroke-loggers.staticusers.net/images/m e nus.jpg [staticusers.net]
I don't like keyloggers, but that is nifty.
Re: (Score:2)
Re:Knoppix has come full circle (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Knoppix has come full circle (Score:2)
coLinux and live CDs (Score:5, Interesting)
No need to reboot to demo linux, that could well be sweet.
Re:coLinux and live CDs (Score:2, Interesting)
I use it that way and it works very good.
Re:coLinux and live CDs (Score:2)
Re:coLinux and live CDs (Score:4, Informative)
Once it does work, it works like a charm, but it took me a couple of hours to figure it to work with my setup. I started with a pre3.0 Debian root_fs I grabbed from the net. Once I got the networking going, I changed sources.list and upgraded to Debian 'sarge' dist. Now I have a lovely GNOME 2.8 desktop all running under XP at (my guess) 80-90% of native speed. I've sucessfully gotten both VNC and NX to run under it though performance through NX is more sluggish than I expected.
Re:coLinux and live CDs (Score:2)
Re:coLinux and live CDs (Score:3, Informative)
Torrents here [btconnect.com]
Ubuntu Warty [btconnect.com] is fine, if a little sluggish because HZ is 1000; but that is fixable.
Last time I tried Hoary [btconnect.com] there were slight problems with not supp
Suggestion (Score:2)
Why not use FreeNX Server on the X side, and an NX client on the Windows side? Others have suggested VNC, but NX should be more efficient.
On a side note, I've been able to use NX to use my work desktop from home (via cable) and it feels almost as fast as if I were sitting there. I hadn't been able to accomplish that before, even with VNC or the various X solutions (forget what they were called now).
Knoppix can REALLY impress (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Knoppix can REALLY impress (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Knoppix can REALLY impress (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Knoppix can REALLY impress (Score:2)
20 seconds for a cold boot, 2 seconds for a reboot.
and a 20Mb hard disk
Re:Knoppix can REALLY impress (Score:2)
Re:Knoppix can REALLY impress (Score:5, Interesting)
However, and I'm currently typing on just such a system, it's not as fast as you'd hope. The reason is that LiveCDs use compression on the filesystems so you have that overhead preventing things from being as fast as it could be. But certainly as big RAM goes mainstream there is no doubt in my mind that the idea of running the whole system from RAM is inevitable. Like I say, I'm already there albeit using a compressed filesystem.
As for this unionfs thing. Is that completely unrelated to klik? That's a pretty cool development on Knoppix that has come a long way in a very short time. You can already install most Debian packages on Knopppix without a hard drive install using Klik. And even better, you can save the packages to hard drive or removeable media. So, you don't lose them at all when you change to another machine.
This totally rocks. I'm not sure if it's related to the unionfs thing, but it certainly deserves mention because it is hot shit.
RAM (Score:2)
Really, really cheap.
Seriously. 4Gb RAM is now at a price most folks can afford. Cheap enough to have a spare machine just for Rainbow Tables:-)
Re:Knoppix can REALLY impress (Score:2)
If you're demonstrating how much faster a Linux machine can be than whatever it is the person is using currently, then there's no "kind of" about it, unless you explain exactly what you've done and what they'd need to do to recreate the speed increase.
Otherwise, you're in danger of wowing them, persuading them to switch, then having them discover that actually it's not that much faster after all, and possibly just switching back agai
Re:Knoppix can REALLY impress (Score:2)
All other replies suggest copying /usr to a RAM disk, but there's a much easier solution if it's just about loading apps quicker after starting up. First, look into the swappiness kernel parameter [kerneltrap.org]. Then, create a mechanism to read these files into memory.
Short story: add two lines to /etc/rc.d/rc.local:
Re:Knoppix can REALLY impress (Score:3, Insightful)
Again, smart. Amazing what one can do with some simple shellscripting.
Re:Knoppix can REALLY impress (Score:2)
My luck... (Score:4, Funny)
Re:My luck... (Score:2)
Re:My luck... (Score:2)
confederatefs (Score:5, Funny)
Writing to NTFS... (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:Writing to NTFS... (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Writing to NTFS... (Score:4, Informative)
Knoppix uses the rewritten NTFS driver which supports loopback read-write mounting a file on NTFS. Nothing new, the now also dead Phat Linux [phatlinux.com] already did the same in 2002 with the same open source kernel driver. Currently the most popular "run Linux from NTFS" distribution is TopologiLinux [sourceforge.net].
It's very nice to see Knoppix caught up too.
Now we need simple online storage - GMail FS anybo (Score:4, Interesting)
Sure you can carry around a USB key and store your settings there. But imagine being able to boot a machine anywhere and beinga ble to retrieve your field from something ala Yahoo briefcase.
Solutions exist out there; think GMailFS
If they would include this on the KNOPPIX CD with automount and all..
I am drooling just thinking about the possibilities!
No, go kio_fuse instead! (Score:4, Interesting)
You can get 1 GB of webdav accessible space at GMX.net for free if you know enough German to get around the freemail signup.
Like slax? (Score:2)
Re:Like slax? (Score:2)
Unionfs is the future of overlay filesystems, Slax should wake up: it's useless to port ovlfs over when all other livecds (Knoppix, Morphix and Kanotix) are divirging to unionfs.
Not On BitTorrent yet... (Score:3, Informative)
http://torrent.unix-ag.uni-kl.de/ [uni-kl.de]
Firefox (Score:2)
What are they going to do with all that free space I wonder?
P.S. run "bb" from the console in Knoppix. Best waste of space ever.
Re:Firefox (Score:2)
To me the additional features of Mozilla for 4 MB more seem like a good deal. Well Opera provides most of that in a quarter the size but unfortunately their cookie management is so shitty I can't stand it =/
And if you want Knoppix to run from the hard drive (Score:4, Informative)
* Partition the harddisk to make room for knoppix:
o ext2 partition
o ext2 partition
o swap partition
o ext2 partition
* Boot the knoppix cd with the cheatcode "tohd=/dev/hda2". This will copy the knoppix image to disk
* Reboot the knoppix cd with the cheatcode "fromhd=/dev/hda2" and check if it runs without the cd.
* Make the persistent homedir via the knoppix menu (penguin icon->configuration->make persistent dir, use entire
* Do not save your KNOPPIX configuration via the menu, all changes to the environment will be saved automatically because of the persistent home.
* Copy the files from
Note, you will need to mount hda1 and make it read/write. The copying can only be done with sudo, thence the command to copy is "sudo cp
* Copy
Note, learn vi commands first
image=/mnt/hda1/vmlinuz
initrd=/mnt/hda1/minir
append="fromhd=/dev/hda2 home=/dev/hda4 lang=us myconfig=/mnt/hda4"
root=/dev/hda2
label=Knoppi
read-write
* Mount the
* Let lilo write the boot loader to the master boot record (sudo lilo -C
* Remove the knoppix cd-rom and reboot.
That's it. you can use lilo.conf to set up another OS that exists, like Windows 98. I chose to dedicate the disk, seems easier. 10 minutes and I'm working with a fully functional Knoppix bootable hdd based PC.
Now THAT fuckign rocks hard.
Re:And if you want Knoppix to run from the hard dr (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:And if you want Knoppix to run from the hard dr (Score:2)
http://www.knoppix.net/wiki/Win_Partition [knoppix.net]
No partioning or constant CD loading neccessary. Works fine from NTFS. Biggest problem here would be getting an ISO image of the disk down to the hard drive.
Of course, if you're comfortable doing the repartitioning, I would recommend the HD instal
unionfs workalike on BSD / Mac OS X (Score:3, Informative)
Initiating Startup Sequence (Score:2)
Re:Initiating Startup Sequence (Score:2)
I really like the audio 'initiating startup sequence.' It's cool, the audio version of blinkenlights.
(shuts basement door so audio doesn't disturb mom)
Horrible fonts. (Score:2, Informative)
Security risks (Score:2)
NTFS writes finally? (Score:2)
Good NTFS writes would be the biggest news for me in 3.8. Not much else room for improvement elsewhere
Any news, rumors, even hints (Score:2)
Speculating and debating all these neato features, politics and wish lists is just mental masturbation until folks can actualy get their grubby mits on it and can abuse it, break it and other fun things.
KNOPPIX 3.8 relaesed for public download HERE!
Now, that'd be a headline worth clicking on. Who's crystal ball has been recently calibrated? Give us the skinny!!
(HINT: It'd be stuff that matters)
Re:Any news, rumors, even hints (Score:2, Informative)
Remastering your own custom KNOPPIX (Score:4, Interesting)
I built a custom system maintenance image for work in a couple of hours. Among the changes:
Unfortunately, DOSemu stripped out wholedisk access, so I have to restore the MBR with dd .
Pretty damn useful... it's the only system maintenance CD that boots on all of our hardware.
If only grub could be bootstrapped from CD, we would also use it to boot into existing systems and it'd be perfect!
Re:write to its own disk? (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:write to its own disk? (Score:2)
Re:write to its own disk? (Score:3, Informative)
Damit lassen sich im laufenden System sämtliche Dateien verändern; selbst das Nachinstallieren von Software in das CD-Linux ist problemlos möglich.
"With this all data on the running system can be changed; even post-install of software on the linux CD is possible without problems"
(no, i don't know exactly what the term "post-install" ("Nachinstallieren") means but i guess it's just any install of software that is not already on the disk)
Re:write to its own disk? (Score:2)
Re:write to its own disk? (Score:3, Interesting)
In the german article it says:
Through unionfs it is possible to change every file on the knoppix-system. But this doesnt mean the cd,
unionfs just takes care of this, and if you, let's say, change ~/.xinitrx, it copies this file to the harddisk, which can be on NTFS (but this is called unstable..).
And through that you theoretically can change the whole knoppix, install software, whatever you like, because your changes are on the harddrive.
Hope, this helped you.
Re:write to its own disk? (Score:2)
Re:write to its own disk? (Score:2)
Re:What about a beowulf cluster of these? (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Are they going down the 'desktop fluff' path? (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Are they going down the 'desktop fluff' path? (Score:2, Informative)
Try Slackware. You'll love it. And by default you'll have to type "startx" to get any sort of GUI action going on.
Re:Are they going down the 'desktop fluff' path? (Score:2)
Re:Are they going down the 'desktop fluff' path? (Score:2)
Fedora has the graphical boot by default (it looks a lot nicer in my opinion) but you can turn it off easily.
Open
You could also uninstall the rpm, I think it is called 'rhgb'.
Re:Are they going down the 'desktop fluff' path? (Score:2)
Just press escape during the boot.
Re:Are they going down the 'desktop fluff' path? (Score:2)
if you care about enough to see the boot process you should know how to find out how to enable it.
if you're just looking for shit to fly past the screen.. echo some neat looking stuff at the end of the boot process.
Re:Plan 9 has had this feature for a long time (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Plan 9 has had this feature for a long time (Score:5, Informative)
However, unionfs did not originate with Plan 9--other UNIX systems have had it, too. I don't think it even came from Bell Labs.
It's a shame that novel OS's like Plan 9 are largely ignored, only for some of their features to be introduced later into mainstream OS's as "new" ideas.
Plan 9 was/is a research system; that's it's function in life. As long as the developers of other systems don't falsely claim that they invented it, and as long as they reference the inventors in publications, it's OK. Some large computer manufacturers are not quite honest about this sort of thing, though, and claim that they are constantly "innovating" when in reality, they are just copying.
Re:Plan 9 has had this feature for a long time (Score:2)
how about if they make plan 9 a bit something more than a playground for novel ideas? so that people would use it - and know it's features, so that when they wouldn't have to reinvent them.
Re:Grammar, please. (Score:2)
Re:Grammar, please. No, who cares!` (Score:2)
Slashdot is not a professional forum. This is not the IEEE. I agree about the errors but I worry more about the factual error vs grammar. You should also understand that English may not be the first language of a good number of people that post on Slashdot. If you can understand the content don't worry about the grammar.
Re:Grammar, please. No, who cares!` (Score:2)
Re:spyware/malware cleaner on a livecd (Score:3, Interesting)
Imagine the interest generated when you boot off the live CD and then manage to remove all the malware infesting a users machine, even the stubborn stuff, whilst simultaneously showing off some Linux goodness at the same time.
Even better automate the whole cleanup process and end it with a nice "If you were running Linux full time you wouldn't have got all this crap in the first place" message.
This would very soon get a new meme into the
Re:spyware/malware cleaner on a livecd (Score:2, Informative)
I've used it once or twice (was testing it on a computer I was about to reformat anyway to see if it booted), but I haven't really gotten into all the programs, so I can't tell you much else than it exists.
Re:I like knoppix and all (Score:2, Interesting)
Step-by-step (Score:2)
Open Konsole
type su
type knoppix-installer
answer the prompts
reboot
Done.
hohoho (Score:3, Informative)