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Ubuntu Linux Preview Released 271
psykelus writes "Ubuntu Linux, a Debian-based distro (formerly flying the flag of 'no-name-yet.com') annouced a preview of their first release (Warty Warthog) earlier today. Ubuntu is the most shiny Debian-based distrobution ever, sporting Gnome 2.8 and an extremely streamlined, mostly automatic installation & configuration process." For a limited time, they're also sending out free disks on request.
How many CDs (Score:2)
Re:How many CDs (Score:5, Informative)
Re:How many CDs (Score:2)
You can add packages to both after install, if you need something. No lockdown.
Give it a try!
Hakuna Matada (Score:5, Funny)
Sounds awesome. (Score:5, Interesting)
How do I know which of these will follow through, which of them will continue to be active in a year, and which ones will have maybe two more minor releases then just sort of peter out? How do I know what will happen to this one, in the long run? How do I justify not just taking the safe route and installing vanilla Debian?
I'd love to have a "user friendly" Debian distro to recommend to people so that they aren't stuck using Mandrake, but when three projects aspiring to that title crop up a year... can I consider them safe to recommend? I just don't know what to do.
Re:Sounds awesome. (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Sounds awesome. (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Sounds awesome. (Score:3, Informative)
Ubuntu Linux will vanish when Mark Shuttleworth [markshuttleworth.com] runs out of money...
Re:Sounds awesome. (Score:3, Insightful)
"I'd love to have a "user friendly" Debian distro to recommend to people so that they aren't stuck using Mandrake,"
Hello, Fedora, Suse. Anyway, while I'm no fan of proprietary Linux if your set on using a Debian based distro that's user friendly why aren't you pointing them at Xandros or Lindows? Really easy to use, newbie friendly versions of Debian are in short supply.
Re:Sounds awesome. (Score:3, Informative)
Fedora is more bleeding edge. In theory, it have more bugs but in practice, it is rock solid. Give it a try, works great.
Re:Sounds awesome. (Score:5, Informative)
The improvements most of these distros make on Debian it seems is that they make it easier to install and configure. But once that's done, one Debian system is just like any other for the most part. It just runs, or at least it should.
-N
Re:Sounds awesome. (Score:2, Troll)
www.gentoo.org. Seriously. And ignore the trolls who don't understand what it's all about.
Re:Sounds awesome. (Score:2)
And yes I am serious. I have been debating Debian or Gentoo for a few weeks and I have yet to make up my mind.
Re:Sounds awesome. (Score:3, Interesting)
Gentoo, regardless of what stage you start from, will teach you more about Linux (and by extension Unix) than debian will, assuming you are not using the GRP. Just doing the install teaches you a bit about setting up a system. In fact I recently had someone tell me that gentoo was the thing that finally led them to building their own Linux-based system from scratch - not a solution I advocate for much of anyone, except when building embedded solutions... but still interesting.
Debian's only advantage is
Re:Sounds awesome. (Score:2)
I think that translates as "Gentoo is more difficult to install", but I could be wrong. I haven't tried it yet. It is the next on my list if I ever decide I've had enough of Debian.
Re:Sounds awesome. (Score:2)
Re:Sounds awesome. (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Sounds awesome. (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Sounds awesome. (Score:2)
Re:Sounds awesome. (Score:5, Interesting)
What it comes down to isn't whether or not Gentoo or Debian is intrinsically better than the other, rather which of the two suits you better. I've used debian, and I didn't like it. I come from a mainly BSD background, so i appreciated portage, i appreciated a more simplistic rc script setup, and i appreciated the merits of a source-based distro. Gentoo just fits me. I suggest you try both, and come to a conclusion on your own. Otherwise, you'll be tainted by dogmatic views from both sides, trolls, and flames.
Re:Sounds awesome. (Score:2)
The GRP packages are meant for a situation like yours. You just need to pull down GRP snapshots when they become available.
Re:Sounds awesome. (Score:5, Informative)
1) Gentoo's documentation and forums are second to none. I often look up answers to questions at the Gentoo forums even when using a non-Gentoo Linux distro. Gentoo's install is very involved, but detailed documentation accompanies every step-by-step part of the process.
2) USE flags give me a ton of control on what support is compiled into each package. If I want Freetype to use the patented bytecode that makes AA so purty (to my eyes), I just add a flag to my USE flags and it shall be compiled as so.
3) I've had less dependency problems with Gentoo/Portage than Debian/APT. The last time I used Debian, I had a dependency issue that I could not find help for quickly on Google or mailing lists. I've yet to have an ebuild problem in Gentoo that wasn't quickly explained/fixed by searching the Gentoo forums.
4) Debian makes me feel guilty if I want to use any reasonably up-to-date software. :) I have to use SUPER-UNSTABLE-OMFG-ITS-GONNA-BREAK distro. So many posts around insist "don't use Sid, it'll break! OMFG!!11 use Sarge!". I have to admit that it makes me a bit gun-shy. With Gentoo, if I get a funky "too new" package that's breakable, I can just roll that one back to an older version. Gentoo stable is very up-to-date but not exceedingly so.
Re:Sounds awesome. (Score:2)
4) Debian makes me feel guilty if I want to use any reasonably up-to-date software. :) I have to use SUPER-UNSTABLE-OMFG-ITS-GONNA-BREAK distro. So many posts around insist "don't use Sid, it'll break! OMFG!!11 use Sarge!".
Yes, "stable" in Debian is exactly what you'd expect. It's solid as a rock, but it's as exciting as one, too.
In my experience, Gentoo's "stable" is about on par with Debian's "unstable" branch in terms of stability (i.e., upgrades breaking things, etc). That's not to say that Gentoo i
Re:Sounds awesome. (Score:2)
This is supposed to be an "easy to use" and "works out of the box" distribution.
The people this is aimed at really couldn't give a shit about C flags, proprietry AA font support, or starting from scratch to get a few percent speed increase by stripping out libraries they don't need, etc. They don't want to spend 2 days waiting for everything they need to compile. They just want to print a letter.
Part of this audience is the type of person who rings you up with
Well said. (Score:3, Interesting)
Think in 20 years anyone will still be obsesse
Re:Sounds awesome. (Score:4, Informative)
Re:Sounds awesome. (Score:5, Insightful)
This is a story about a Debian variant, so why have you shown up trying to change the subject? Who is really the troll here? For Pete's sake, this distro isn't even trying to court the same user group that might be interested in Gentoo, so why are you here? Seriously.
knoppix (Score:2, Insightful)
choose based on merit (Score:2)
That's my definition of good philosophy, really...something that you can turn to in even the smallest decisions.
Re:Sounds awesome. (Score:3, Informative)
* Adamantix
* BenHur
* Corel Linux
* Debian JP
* DemoLinux
* Demudi, http://www.demudi.org/, a multimedia distribution.
* Embedded Debian, http://www.emdebian.org/
* ESware Linux
* Euronode, http://euronode.org/
* Floppix, http://floppix.ccai.com/
* Gibraltar
* Impi Linux
* KNOPPIX, http://www.knopper.net/knoppix/
* Libranet, http://www.libranet.com/
* Linspire, http://www.linspire.com/
* Li
Re:Sounds awesome. (Score:2)
(and some would say that knoppix is as easy as a distro gets)
Re:Sounds awesome. (Score:2)
Re:Sounds awesome. (Score:5, Interesting)
that's the problem. it's a flaw (if you see it as a flaw) that's fundamental to the system.
We have that already (Score:3, Informative)
Lets have the BEST of everything in one core repository.
like This one? [freebsd.org]
Re:We have that already (Score:2, Funny)
You're such a kidder :)
Re:We have that already (Score:2)
http://packages.gentoo.org/ [gentoo.org]
everything you'll need is right there.
Re:We have that already (Score:2)
> like This[www.freebsd.org] one?
Sorry, I'm sure you made a small mistake...
The one you were thinking of is This one. [bell-labs.com]
Or maybe This one. [vitanuova.com]
Re:Sounds awesome. (Score:3, Interesting)
That blows, its like going back to ZX Spectrums with tapes.
I want to run what I need to run on the box I am on.
I expect it to take a matter of clicking and almost instantly having the software up.
I dont ever want to have to "reboot into windows to play a game". Fuck that! I haven't paid thousands of pounds for computer hardware over the years to regress.
[/rant] Ahhh, I feel better now
I was talking about this just the other day (Score:5, Funny)
Re:I was talking about this just the other day (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:I was talking about this just the other day (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:I was talking about this just the other day (Score:2, Insightful)
Don't remove that liberty from the people please!...
Re:I was talking about this just the other day (Score:3, Insightful)
Why? Just because another distro comes out, do you expect the whole world to fall apart, and to have to get used to another new distro? Stick to the one you like. Nobody is forcing you to change, and nobody is forcing newbies to have any specific distro either. The beauty is choice. Test the new ones out if you want. The ones that
Re:I was talking about this just the other day (Score:5, Insightful)
I don't think the Ubuntu guys and gals are doing this because they think they're going to put redhat and suse out of business. They're doing it because they want to. If you get an itch, I promise I won't complain if you scratch it.
Also, maybe this Ubunto thing is it. Gentoo was nothing just a couple of years ago. Same with Lycoris and Linspire.
Re:I was talking about this just the other day (Score:2)
Re:I was talking about this just the other day (Score:2)
Why? And who is "we"? What on Earth makes you think that you have any right whatsoever to prevent people from doing what they wish with the code? Has the whole concept of "FREE" completely passed you by?
Re:I was talking about this just the other day (Score:2)
slackware, debian, gentoo, fedora, suse, mandrake, and maybe a few others that offer something good, that's all we really need.
From my understanding, Ubunto is exactly like Debian except it's (1) end-user centered and (2) released in a timely manner.
These two things are exactly what I want! Seems to me like the perfect blend of GNOME and Debian ideals. Thus, if I get up the courage to try it out and Ubunto delivers, I will likely be a convert.
Re:I was talking about this just the other day (Score:3, Interesting)
I've tried both UserLinux and Ubuntu, and so far Ubuntu seems a bit more promising to me. The Gnome 2.8 is darn purdy, and they've
Re:I was talking about this just the other day (Score:2, Funny)
Melinda's just using Bill for sex.
Of course she is. She was the Product Manager for Microsoft Bob. Once it failed, she had to find something else to do....
Re:I was talking about this just the other day (Score:3)
Debian: An ethical distribution. More interested in producing something that is free as in speech. This is not nessecarily a bad thing, but it does limit what I can get with apt.
I've actually found Fedora to be far more devoted to free as in speech than debian. With debian, I can just enable the contrib and/or non-US repos (installation options) and I get all the stuff the is left out of Fedora dues to patent restrictions or licenses which don't all
BitTorrent Link (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:BitTorrent Link (Score:4, Informative)
Re:BitTorrent Link (Score:4, Informative)
http://ftp3.linux.it/pub/mirrors/warty/war
i386
http://ftp3.linux.it/pub/mirr
powerpc
http://ftp3.linux.it/pub/mi
Re:BitTorrent Link (Score:3, Informative)
Amazing what a little patience can get you, isn't it?
Re:BitTorrent Link (Score:2, Informative)
Italy [linux.it]
US [umn.edu]
UK [ubuntu.com]
Re:BitTorrent Link (Score:2, Informative)
US Mirror [umn.edu]
Italy Mirror [linux.it]
You will find torrents at each of these mirrors. The ones on the US mirror are:
AMD64 torrent [umn.edu]
i386 torrent [umn.edu]
powerpc torrent [umn.edu]
Re:BitTorrent Link (Score:2)
Note to mods: try not wasting mod points on a karma bonus eh?
-nB
Ouch, spelling! (Score:5, Informative)
This is getting painful. Would someone please teach the slashdot editors how to use a spellchecker? (Don't get me started on grammar...) Maybe I should write a HOWTO...?
Re:Ouch, spelling! (Score:2, Funny)
Ubuntu is the most shiny Debian-based distrobution ever.. hey, I need to beat the rush and download this distri's ISOs.
Re:Ouch, spelling! (Score:2, Funny)
I'll save you the trouble:
HOWTO: Use spellcheck
1. Click the spellcheck button.
2. Follow onscreen instructions.
Copyright (c) 2004 Ahab.
Permission is granted to copy, distribute and/or modify this document under the terms of the GNU Free Documentation License, Version 1.2 or any later version published by the Free Software Foundation; with no Invariant Sections, no Front-Cover Texts, and no Back-Cover Texts. A copy of the license is inclu
Re:Ouch, spelling! (Score:2)
We refer to Linux distributions as "distro's" so why not "distrobutions"? Its only logical...
Re:Ouch, spelling! (Score:2)
Re:Ouch, spelling! (Score:2)
The question is ... (Score:3, Funny)
Bruce Perens? Or Mark Shuttleworth?
Interesting contrast; when a new release of Windows comes out, I don't see Bill Gates answering questions from all and sundry in public forums like this. (Of course, I don't follow Windows closely, so maybe I'm wrong on that.)
timothy
Re:The question is ... (Score:3, Funny)
Out of Business (Score:4, Funny)
Since the site is running way slow already (Score:3, Informative)
Here's a coralized link:
Ubuntu Linux [nyud.net]
Torrents (Score:5, Informative)
We've got torrents online. They are here:
Re:Torrents (Score:2, Informative)
warty-amd64.iso.torrent [umn.edu]
warty-i386.iso.torrent [umn.edu]
warty-powerpc.iso.torrent [umn.edu]
distro:user-ratio restored (Score:5, Funny)
Free CD Link (Score:5, Informative)
To get those free CDs shipped to you, you can go directly to this link:
http://shipit.ubuntulinux.org [ubuntulinux.org]
What's "Ubuntu"? (Score:5, Informative)
Two defintions:
Ubuntu on Wikipedia [wikipedia.org]
And a shameless plug for my writeup on E2 [everything2.com]
Re:What's "Ubuntu"? (Score:2)
Note to Slashdot Populace: (Score:4, Informative)
Please don't bankrupt these poor chaps -- CDRs may be cheap, but they ain't free; nor is shipping.
Re:Note to Slashdot Populace: (Score:2)
At a guess that was about 20 seconds after the public post on
Re:Note to Slashdot Populace: (Score:2)
Get it in 15 minutes or less from the torrent:
amd64
http://ftp3.linux.it/pub/mirrors/warty/war
i386
http://ftp3.linux.it/pub/mirr
powerpc
http://ftp3.linux.it/pub/mi
Ubuntu go "boonta" (Score:2)
Yeah thats right keep on
As Long As... (Score:3, Interesting)
People can't seem to get it into their heads that #Debian is for Debian and not derivatives and they should ask for support from where they got it.
Re:As Long As... (Score:2)
hmmmm (Score:5, Funny)
My name is Ikembe Otobamo. Until recently I was employed by the large software firm Microsoft. During this time, I earned many stock options and sold them at a great profit. During my time at Microsoft, I also began developing a linux distribution called 'Ubuntu'.
When Microsoft discovered I was using Linux, I was quickly dismissed from the firm. Unfortunately, that also meant I had no work authorisation and had to flee the United States.
Meanwhile, I have accumulated over $16 million USD due to stock sales, and I thus need s bank account in the United States to hold this money for safekeeping. If you would be so willing to help me, I offer you 10% of this money and interest incurred. I will also supply you with unlimited copies of my "Ubuntu Linux" distribution for your own perusal. This distribution also contains our specialised "Mozilatobe" browser suite and our "Gnombolo" X11 interface.
Please consider my offer; your assistance will be most appreciated.
Sincerely,
Ikembe Otobamo (Nigeria)
x.org (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:x.org (Score:2)
Re:x.org (Score:4, Informative)
Debian perfect for this... (Score:3, Interesting)
THis lin-distro has 'wow' factor in my book.
CB()^&*$&^)!
Old debian-devel announcement (Score:3, Informative)
From a few months back, talks about what and why.
Re:Old debian-devel announcement (Score:2)
Finally linux taken seriously (Score:5, Funny)
Seriously, what's with these names?
Why you should care (Score:5, Informative)
It's Debian, in a friendly wrapper, free and for free.
You can get Debian in a friendly wrapper by buying Xandros, or Linspire. They include nonfree software, and Linspire hooks you in to a software distribution scheme that costs a minimum of $50 per year.
You can get Debian free if you are a Linux expert. Get a Debian installer and have fun. However, Debian has 10,000 packages, and you need to know enough to pick and choose which ones you want. Ubuntu has 1,000 packages, and they have made default choices for you. (Want something Ubuntu doesn't offer? Grab it from the main Debian distribution; it will work.)
Also, Debian comes in three major branches: stable, unstable, and testing. Stable is really stable, but only updates every two years or so. Unstable updates daily but can be unstable. Testing updates automatically from unstable when the packages appear stable (a week goes by without major bugs posted against the unstable package, IIRC). Ubuntu on the other hand is promising a six-month release cycle; if you use Ubuntu, you should have a nice stable system, but you will get new packages much more often than if you use Debian Stable.
Ubuntu will occupy a similar niche to Fedora, but Red Hat makes all the decisions for Fedora while Ubuntu will have a community process.
The closest distro to Ubuntu is probably Bruce Perens's UserLinux project. But UserLinux is focused squarely upon business, whilst Ubuntu seems to be more focused on individual users.
Ubuntu should preserve all the things I like best about Debian, while being more friendly to newbies and offering a much fresher stable release. There isn't another distro quite like it.
I'm downloading it now and I look forward to trying it out.
steveha
Re:Why you should care (Score:3, Insightful)
The creation of Debian-based distributions like User Linux and Ubantu, in my opinion, are sincere efforts made by people 100% committed do Debian, th
Mepis is nice and shniy debian too! (Score:2)
In other news... (Score:2, Funny)
Yet another debian based distribution.
It's going to include all the latest stuff ala gentoo with the ease of installation ala Knoppix, and the ease of administration ala Debian itself.
W00t!
Re:Out of Nowhere? (Score:5, Informative)
This is Canonical software, far as I can tell, and there has already been discussion about it on the Debian lists -- since Canonical employed a swath of regular Debian developers.
http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2004/07/ms
Re:Out of Nowhere? (Score:4, Informative)
Re:Out of Nowhere? (Score:2)
Re:Out of Nowhere? (Score:2)
so it may not be very well known here, but it will have an impact there. imagine one of America's most rich and famous men (besides gates) starting a distro with as much money behind it as they cared to spend, which in Shuttlesworth's case, is alot. so i wouldn't be surprised if it tur
Re:Out of Nowhere? (Score:2)
It's quite a nice distro already, with a lot of promise. I'm going to be using it for my primary system to give it a fair shot.
Re:So what's their angle? (Score:4, Informative)
* Even sleeker installer than Sarge. Still curses, but it doesn't ask you nearly as many questions, and sarge doesn't ask that many to begin with
* Project Utopia out of the box
* GNOME 2.8
* A good percentages of packages available that are available in sid.
* Time based releases every 6 months coinciding with GNOME releases.
* Check the list, it's a who's who of debian and gnome guys working together on a desktop distro.
* Matching live CD (Not this release though)
Re:Rare (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:Rare (Score:2, Insightful)
[quote]
Can I use GPL-covered editors such as GNU Emacs to develop non-free programs? Can I use GPL-covered tools such as GCC to compile them?
Yes, because the copyright on the editors and tools does not cover the code you write. Using them does not place any restrictions, legally, on the license you use for your code.
Some programs copy parts of themselves into the output for technical reasons--for example, B
Re:Why is this necessary? (Score:5, Interesting)
For many, Ubuntu may be little more than Debian with frequent time-based releases and a more polished desktop -- which alone is a benefit over other distros and even windows
For others, it will be the emphasis on translation and internationalization that seals the deal.
Since many of the developers on Ubuntu are Debian developers, we're going to start by making a distro that has all of the things we like about Debian and puts them in a easier, more managable package that fixes some of the most frequently heard problems and annoyances with Debian that are tough to fix within Debian for a variety of reasons.