New Ubuntu Project Code Named 'Gutsy Gibbon'

Go2Linux writes "The code name for the new Ubuntu project that is going to be release this October is Gutsy Gibbon, It was introduced by Mark Shuttleworth, early today, this release will come full composite as default, according to Mark."

Why not link directly to the story?

[Simon80 (874052)]

Here's the actual mailing list posting: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-ann ounce/2007-April/000276.html [ubuntu.com]

Re:Why not link directly to the story?

[Adhemar (679794)]

The ex-Ximian part of Novell consistently used/uses monkeys and monkey-related project names (Bonobo, Mono, Evolution, etc). I wonder if there is, consciencely or unconsciencely, some message to the Novell folks: the monkey-named version is after all going to be the first version with an official Gnewsense-like flavour:

The Glossy Gnu will nonetheless play a role in this next release, because Ubuntu 7.10 will feature a new flavour - as yet unnamed - which takes an ultra-orthodox view of licensing: no firmware, drivers, imagery, sounds, applications, or other content which do not include full source materials and come with full rights of modification, remixing and redistribution. There should be no more conservative home, for those who demand a super-strict interpretation of the "free" in free software. This work will be done in collaboration with the folks behind Gnewsense.

I know I'm probably looking way too deep into something as playful as a name choice. The thought just occured.

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[Corwn of Amber (802933)]

Okay. I hope I'll find the USABLE .iso when it will come out, the one that Just Works, OOTB, Zero Conf', includes the nVidia driver, mp3 player (MAD, please, lest I burn mine ears), support for all video formats in all the players, configured right - that is, no "-vo not valid" in mplayer or "can't load wmdmod.dll" in xine.

The day when Ubuntu will be THAT easy then it will be ready for the desktop.

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[miscz (888242)]

You can try Linux Mint [linuxmint.com], Ubuntu-based non-free distro.

Re:Why not link directly to the story?

[Aix (218662)]

Just so you know, neither the gibbon nor the bonobo is actually a monkey. They are apes.

Re:Why not link directly to the story?

[freeweed (309734)]

And they're all primates. Maybe the next Ubuntu will be code-named "Happy Human"? :)

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[MichaelSmith (789609)]

Not only that but it has an actual release date for 7.04

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[J0nne (924579)]

Not only that but it has an actual release date for 7.04

That release dat has been out for a while now...

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[norminator (784674)]

You don't really have to look for it. The scheduled releases are (almost) always every 6 months [wikipedia.org]... in either April or October.The only exception I know of has been dapper... which got delayed until June of 2006. But edgy picked back up on the October release schedule. (The 6 month schedule is based on the Gnome release schedule).

wtf is composite?

[SharpFang (651121)]

I tried to RTFA but no info, and Google won't be much of help with a common word like that.

Re:wtf is composite?

[BlackPignouf (1017012)]

Try Compiz(http://compiz.org/), Beryl(http://beryl-project.org/), compositing manager (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compositing_manager) or compositing (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compositing)!

Re:wtf is composite?

[complete loony (663508)]

Using the 3D capabilities of your graphics card to render your desktop.

Re:wtf is composite?

[choongiri (840652)]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compiz [wikipedia.org]

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[robthebob (742982)]

Have a google for Beryl/Compiz. That'll get you on the right track.

Re:wtf is composite?

[LarsWestergren (9033)]

If you like me have been confused about stuff like DRI, Mesa, GLX Extensions and so on in logs and conf files when trying to get OpenGL drivers working under Linux, I recommend How Xgl works [homelinux.net].

Re:wtf is composite?

[Eivind (15695)]

The quick explanation (somewhat oversimplified, but you get the idea)

In a traditional (non-compositing) windowing-environment, each application essentially handles its own part of the screen, when, for example, a part of firefox previously hidden behind an xterm get unobscured, firefox is informed of this fact, and is responsible for redrawing that part of its own window.

In a compositing system, instead each program draw on their own private separate area. All these areas are then sent to the compositing manager which makes the overall screen by combining these in various ways.

There's advantages. First, it simplifies things for the programs, since they can pretend they're always alone on the screen. Secondly, it makes it possible to unify visual tricks. Without composition, for example, each and every program that wants to support stuff like being transparent, or animating their appearance, or being transparent only while being dragged or any other of a million visible tricks need to implement this independent of eachother.

With composition, the compositing window-manager can handle all of that, and the programs won't even notice. So it improves consistency by making the same visual options work identically in *all* programs.

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[justthinkit (954982)]

There's advantages. First, it simplifies things for the programs, since they can pretend they're always alone on the screen.

It seems the drawback to this would be an application busily (re)drawing itself when it is not visible. The (re)drawing takes CPU time, yet the result is not even visible to the user (who might even have minimized or hidden the window precisely to save it from redrawing.) Does GG avoid this?

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[p0tat03 (985078)]

It doesn't have to. The OS X window manager does notification for redraw, it's just that you as the application do not have to worry about the details of a redraw like occlusion, clipping, and transparency - just that you have to redraw.

It also gives the OS a lot of leeway for cool tricks, like OS X and Expose, where it can do thumbnails of each window.

Search YouTube for "Beryl", "Compiz", or "XGL"

[aok (5389)]

You should check out the tons of videos posted on YouTube with videos showing off various features possible with a compositing desktop.

From my own videos that I put up months ago for fun, I am still getting people messaging me asking me how they can set up their system like mine (which I put up to annoy my girlf) :) Sometimes they are Windows users asking me what software they need to install...

I use Beryl (svn 4453) everyday at work to do development. To be honest, I really only just use the Expose-clone (

Re:wtf is composite?

[cyclop (780354)]

I use Beryl (SVN version!) on my main desktop every day. I used to be skeptic like you, but after trying it, I'd never go back.

Wobbly windows are pure useless eye candy, but transparency (colour-specific transparency is in development,I think), expose-like and wall plugins are really useful. Rain and wobbly are just technology showcases -I think that we'll see useful applications of Beryl/Compiz soon.

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[mgiuca (1040724)]

The real key here (with composite) is the sparkle for the masses. The people who see "The Wow Starts Now" ads for Vista and go, "ooh Vista's beautiful". Composite desktops in Linux are a "we've got the wow too!" I think it's very important to avoid being seen as the ugly duckling.

In this regard, wobbly windows serve their purpose ;)

I'm a big fan of Canonical's business model

[Andrew Tanenbaum (896883)]

which seems to be "Spend Mark Shuttleworth's Money". I'm sure we're all enjoying the free (as in beer, if I must) ride.

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[vivaoporto (1064484)]

Well, it takes money to make money. And it is not as he was out there, spending his money on flimsy things like space travels, or something like that. Oh, wait! [wikipedia.org], he already did that. But, with a name like Shuttle worth, I would too, just for the sake of the pun.

Anyway, if he believes [com.com] that he will eventually make Canonical profitable [com.com], it is money well spent.

Well...

[LarsWestergren (9033)]

Better than Gibbon Guts I suppose.

We should start voting on the next release's name

[aldeng (804728)]

I vote for Horny Hedgehog. Or Horny Hyrax [wikipedia.org]. Anything Horny, really.

Re:We should start voting on the next release's na

[Gleng (537516)]

What about "Rutting Rhino"?

Re:We should start voting on the next release's na

[Jearil (154455)]

Hungry Hippo.

Of course if they'd take 3 word names, Hungry Hungry Hippo will work too.

Desktop Linux Done Right

[aarmenaa (712174)]

I recently installed 6.10 (Edgy Eft) on my laptop, and I'm fairly surprised. The only things that didn't work right from the start were the digitizer (it's a tablet PC), and my USB wireless dongle. The digitizer isn't plug-and-play or anything like that, but the USB dongle is more of a mystery - it's claims Linux support, and it's even detected, but the included driver appears to be broken. The driver the manufacturer provides doesn't support anything in the standard manner (as far as WPA and various encryption stuff goes), so I'm using ndiswrapper for it right now. It works, but still won't work in encrypted modes. It uses a Ralink RT73 chipset, btw.

But hey, it got the old internal wireless card perfectly. It only supports WEP though. It also got the video card (and I can change resolutions in an applet!), sound card, USB hubs, my external USB DVD-RW (and it hotplugs!), and so on. It'll even hotplug the USB wireless dongle, with ndiswrapper - I full expected that to not work. So we're not getting 100% success, but it's entirely possible that you could install Linux and never touch a config file. That's how you do desktop.

Honestly, my biggest complaint now is that WPA and connecting to weird RADIUS servers run by universities and the like is still a royal pain. I tried Network-Manager (a Gnome applet) and it did all kinds of bad stuff to my system (loopback never came up), and didn't help me connect to encrypted networks at all. But, they're working on it. If this is the worst complaint I can muster, we've come a long way.

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[Knuckles (8964)]

Honestly, my biggest complaint now is that WPA and connecting to weird RADIUS servers run by universities and the like is still a royal pain. I tried Network-Manager (a Gnome applet) and it did all kinds of bad stuff to my system (loopback never came up), and didn't help me connect to encrypted networks at all. But, they're working on it.

network-manager will be fully integrated in 7.04 (Feisty), see the spec here [launchpad.net].
Until then (while on 6.10 (Edgy) or earlier), see instructions here [ubuntu.com]

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[WaZiX (766733)]

for l0, just go into /etc/network/interfaces and add the following lines:

auto lo
iface lo inet loopback

You might need to restart dbus: sudo /etc/init.d/dbus restart

If that fails, just come by in #ubuntu on freenode, someone will gladly help.

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[WaZiX (766733)]

yes, but in order for Network manager to take over the administration of your eth or wlan, you need to disable them (comment them out or delete the lines) in /etc/network/interfaces , so last time you installed network-manager, you (consciously or not) might have removed the needed lines... In the future, pass by #ubuntu before reinstalling everything, might save you some time ;-).

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[WaZiX (766733)]

no, you need to comment out all interfaces except lo, lo being the two lines I showed you. So your interfaces file should only contain the two lines that relate to your lo interface.

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[Knuckles (8964)]

If I'm understanding your correctly, I need to delete all the "auto" and "iface" lines for interfaces I want Network-Manager to control? If so, I haven't seen that documented anywhere, at least not in a form that I understood.

The instructions might not be totally foolproof, but IMHO it is all there. Quoting from the site I linked to (3rd section) for your convenience:

Configuring Devices
Any already configured devices that you want to be available in Network Manager will need to de-configured, as otherwise t

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[Knuckles (8964)]

The relevant instructions on the page regarding lo are this,

backup and then edit the /etc/network/interfaces file to remove the configuration of these devices (except for lo which is needed for the loopback interface). (...) For example, if you wanted Network Manager to be able to control all of your devices, your /etc/network/interfaces file would look somewhat like the following:

auto lo
iface lo inet loopback

That said, yeah, it is not yet completely done.

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[fimbulvetr (598306)]

This is bogus and not worth the electrons used to write it.

Feisty is "beta", which means if you find a bug it will likely be fixed by release if you REPORT THE BUG. Which I helped do for the boot time. And some NM stuff. And some kernel stuff. And democracy player. And nvidia.

Guess what?
9/10 of those problems are solved as of a few days ago, and there's still another week before release.

The bugs are being fixed like mad now. If _any_ of you plan on running 7.04, do it now. If you report even one bug you cou

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[Knuckles (8964)]

Why they're not pulling in a newer version is beyond me.

Maybe they don't know about the issue? You should file a bug in Launchpad [launchpad.net]

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[Knuckles (8964)]

Oh I see. I hope this situation improves for you.

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[Ash-Fox (726320)]

It uses a Ralink RT73 chipset

Next time, try to get a Atheros chipset, those work out of the box immediately. According to the documentation [ubuntu.com] for your wireless card, theres quite a bit of manual labor in involved if it's not supported out of the box.

Honestly, my biggest complaint now is that WPA and connecting to weird RADIUS servers run by universities and the like is still a royal pain.

More information?

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[MMC Monster (602931)]

I've been running Fiesty (Ubuntu 7.04) nightlies for the last 6-8 weeks or so. Edgy never worked on my desktop (hand on shutdown or reboot-I forget which). Fiesty is a dream to work with compared to Dapper (6.06). Automatic installation of nvidia drivers with updates with new kernel versions. Automatic installation of codecs when you try to play a media file. Everything just works.

Now I'm just looking for an easy way to rip DVDs to iPod video format and sync them to my iPod. (Amarok works great with th

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[ajs318 (655362)]

I never, ever bothered with wireless networking. My machine already needs to be tethered to the wall to get its power, so what difference does another piece of wire make, really? If I was bothered about having two separate cables, I'd tie-wrap them together. But I'm not, so I haven't. My house doesn't have nearly enough power sockets, so I have four-way extension leads all over the place anyway, and a CAT5 switch is smaller than one of them. I know I could and should set up something more permanent, bu

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[fimbulvetr (598306)]

Edgy perfectly detected and setup my nvidia 6200 + mag 19" 1440x900 combo. Fawn was a bit more picky, because it's xorg was b0rked at the time for one reason or another.

So Vista can be renamed Greedy Gorilla?

[jkrise (535370)]

Just so we compare apples to apples... considering the bloated h/w needs for Vista, and considering it comes form the 800lb gorilla.. Greedy Gorilla sounds very 'apt'.

I think Vista articles on Slashdot must come with a Greedy Gorilla icon... given that we're seeing several articles a week already.

My friends...

[Psychotria (953670)]

... already think I am crazy. Think of the uproar when I tell them I playing with the gusty gibbon.

guTSy gibbon actually ...

[DaveCar (189300)]

but i read it as guSTy at first.

maybe something to do with its guts is making it gusty?

Gutsy Gibbon?

[alexo (9335)]

Sources indicated that, in accordance with the theme, the next project will be named Busty Baboon.

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[Overzeetop (214511)]

No, H is next - I vote for half-wit hippo. Whoops, that would be Vista. Better skip it and go straight to Intellectual Ibid.

Splog

[Bogtha (906264)]

It was introduced by Mark Shuttleworth, early today, this release will come full composite as default, according to Mark."

How on earth do you get that, when what he actually said was:

On a personal note, the monkey on my back has been composite-by-default, which I had hoped would happen in Edgy, then Feisty. I'm nervous to predict it now for Gutsy, for fear of a third strike, but I'm told that great work is being done in the Compiz/Beryl community and upstream in X. There's a reasonable chance that Gutsy will deliver where those others have not.

Wow, Go2Linux really did well with this. They copy & pasted the email and the release schedule, they added a totally incorrect summary, submitted their own story to Slashdot, and got onto the front page. It's almost as if Slashdot is trying to reward incompetence.

What's next?

[AJWM (19027)]

Feisty Fawn, Gutsy Gibbon, ... So what are they going to call the one after Zaftig Zebra? (Consider the code bloat by then.)

Perhaps they'll strip it down and go with Anorexic Aardvark.

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[by Anonymous Coward]

Ubuntu seems cool, however I will be waiting for the Don Imus sponsored version: Nappy Nigger.

Also, when is the Crazy Cracker release going to be out? That one should be cool as it will be based around KKKde.

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[jojoba_oil (1071932)]

Nappy Nigger [...] Crazy Cracker

And the release that'll get them both excited (despite their differences) just so happens to be: Busty Bimbo.