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Pre-Installed Linux Tops Dell Customer Requests

Posted by kdawson on Mon Feb 19, 2007 06:11 PM
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dhart writes "Within only a few days of Dell opening a new customer feedback website, they discovered that the feature most requested (by an almost 2-to-1 margin!) is an option on all new Dell PCs: pre-installed Linux. (And the number 3 request is pre-installed Open Office.) I believe they'll have a harder time now with the tired old mantra 'There's no customer demand for Linux.'"
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When Michael Dell took back the reins of he company he founded, one of the first things he did was to launch the feedback site Dell Idea Storm. Following up on the recent Slashdot discussion of the early results of this experiment — an overwhelming expressed desire for pre-loaded Linux — Dell reports on what it plans to do with this feedback. Quoting: "[W]e are working with Novell to certify our corporate client products for Linux, including our OptiPlex desktops, Latitude notebooks and Dell Precision workstations. [On the question of which distro to choose:] "[T]here is no single customer preference for a distribution of Linux... We want users to have the opportunity to help define the market for Linux on desktop and notebook systems. In addition to working with Novell, we are also working with other distributors and evaluating the possibility of additional certifications across our product line."
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thefickler writes "It seems pointless to seek ideas and feedback if you're going to ignore and delete the opinions you don't like. That's exactly what Dell is doing with its IdeaStorm website, which the company set up to solicit such ideas and feedback. Dell deleted a post linking to an article that criticizes its handling of the 'pre-installed Linux' issue."
[+] Helping Dell To Help Open Source 177 comments
Glyn Moody writes "Dell's IdeaStorm is turning into a fiasco — for Dell, and for open source as well. Instead of just shouting at the company to sell pre-installed GNU/Linux systems, how about helping them find a way to do it? Here's a suggestion that I've posted on the IdeaStorm site: that Dell set up an independent business unit for GNU/Linux systems, just like The Innovator's Dilemma tells us to do when faced with a disruptive technology."
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look@thealternative.ch writes "Although many people have asked for pre-installed Linux, and Dell seems to have listened, some still think that buying a naked PC won't be easy. But what about stripping it naked after you buy it? I managed to get Windows Vista (and a bit more) refunded from Dell Germany last week. The process was surprisingly simple: 1) After delivery, ask Dell Support for refund by email. 2) ??? 3) Refund!!! Read the full email conversation in the original German or my English translation. For the impatient reader: The refund is €77.54 for Windows Vista Home Basic plus Works 8.0 (that is 15% of the total amount I paid). The whole process took 2 emails, 2 more to say thank you, and less than 48 hours. The money is already in my account. Kudos to Dell Customer Care (esp. 'Veronika') for being efficient and customer-oriented!"
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  • Their system configurator (Score:5, Informative)

    by suso (153703) * on Monday February 19 2007, @06:13PM (#18074394) Homepage Journal
    That's cool. But one thing that has always annoyed me about their server configuration utility is that you can select "no operating system, Linux configuration", but there are some hardware options that don't work with that option and so you have to select the microsoft config. So much for getting some extra counts for
    the Linux side

    • Re:Their system configurator (Score:4, Funny)

      by taursir (861098) on Monday February 19 2007, @06:14PM (#18074424)
      It's probably just a money-making or liability ploy. Although, you'd assume that if you're selecting that configuration, you know what you're doing, and they don't have to deal with people going, "OMG, IT WONT START".
    • Maybe because of hardware that isn't compatible with Linux?

      • Re:Their system configurator (Score:4, Interesting)

        by jlarocco (851450) on Monday February 19 2007, @07:54PM (#18075648) Homepage

        Maybe because of hardware that isn't compatible with Linux?

        I'm not seeing your point. Incompatible hardware is only a problem if you have an existing computer, and you want to run a different OS on it. If you're building the machine, as Dell is, it doesn't make any sense to purposely choose hardware that's incompatible with the OS most people (buying these machines) want to use.

        It could be an honest mistake, but they're probably just being asshats.

          • Re:Their system configurator (Score:5, Interesting)

            by jlarocco (851450) on Monday February 19 2007, @11:47PM (#18077730) Homepage

            So you're saying that Dell should only be allowed to ship their servers with 100% Linux compatible parts? Presumably you're one of the people who also complained when they were a 100% Microsoft lock-in.

            I didn't say that at all, and I think most people got my point. If they're selling a machine to be used with Linux, then logic would imply that those machines should actually work with Linux.

            You said it yourself in the comment: "the OS most people want to use" (emphasis mine). I note you specifically didn't say all people. Which means there there are people out there who may not want their hardware requirements dictated by an OS they're not even going to install.

            Slow down, and read what I said. The whole thing, with the parentheses. I explicitly pointed out that the people buying *these* machines, specifically the "No OS, Linux" machines, want the machines to run Linux. I wasn't refering to Dell machines in general. If Dell is selling the machine without an OS, specifically so that people can put Linux on it, then yes, I think Dell should make at least a little effort to make sure it comes with Linux compatible hardware. Otherwise, what's the point?

    • Re:Their system configurator (Score:4, Funny)

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 19 2007, @06:32PM (#18074668)
      "no operating system, Linux configuration"

      is'nt that because the operating system is actually emacs?

    • Re:Their system configurator (Score:4, Informative)

      by rklrkl (554527) on Monday February 19 2007, @06:43PM (#18074814) Homepage
      Funny, whenever my company orders Dell Poweredge servers with the no OS option, that's all I have do (how you can have a "Linux configuration" when there's no OS shipped with it?). Slap on CentOS 4.4 and you have an enterprise level OS (a clone of RHEL 4) for no extra cost. And, yes, the Poweredge hardware is fully supported by the enterprise Linux distros in case you're wondering.


      A quick check shows that the "No OS, RHEL $0" and "No OS, Windows $0" options are only on the US www.dell.com site. If you go via the UK www.dell.co.uk site you far more sensibly just get a single "Not included [included in price]" no-cost/no-OS option.

      • Re:The Indian tech support is worse. (Score:5, Informative)

        by geekboybt (866398) on Monday February 19 2007, @06:52PM (#18074938)
        Not to feed the trolls, but here goes anyways... Have you actually called their support? Or, a better question - are these actual servers (PowerEdge) or desktops standing in as servers? I've called them many times, for servers that only cost $1k to ones over $6k. Every time I've gotten an American English speaking rep from Texas. Yes, even on Christmas morning and the machine's technically out of warranty. Cheap desktops get you cheap support. Real servers get you real support. You get what you pay for.

        • Re:The Indian tech support is worse. (Score:5, Funny)

          by Zaiff Urgulbunger (591514) on Monday February 19 2007, @08:43PM (#18076096)
          There's a dude in India who's probably really pissed because every time he calls Dell for support on his server, he gets someone from Texas!

          • Re:The Indian tech support is worse. (Score:5, Funny)

            by bhiestand (157373) on Tuesday February 20 2007, @04:00AM (#18079186) Journal

            I'm in the UK.

            Every time I've gotten an American English speaking rep from Texas.

            At the very least I expect them to speak understandable English.
            I think I see the confusion you two are having. You see, you're asking for someone to speak English that you can understand, and you're a Brit. The GP is an American, and has no problem understanding American Texan English.

            It is quite likely that you actually are being connected to their call center in Texas. Next time you call, ask to be transfered to somebody in India. It will be a lot easier for you to understand, especially if you ask the rep to drop his fake American accent.

      • Great Story: (Score:4, Interesting)

        by encoderer (1060616) on Monday February 19 2007, @07:48PM (#18075582)
        On a late night public radio call-in show (put out by American Public Media), they had a story about the overseas call centers. It was a great story. They played clips of the training classes where they teach these indians to lie about what they did on the 4th of july or what they ate for Thanksgiving. It was sickening.

        But then they interview this "industry representitive" who basically said what we all have been: The American people are not satisfied with the level of service they get from Indian call centers, and that many companies are closing them.

        I momentarily though "wow, thank god, that's a trend that can't be over too soon."

        Then he pulls out the punchline: Many of the closed Indian operations are being moved to the Phillipines, because people have less of a negative impression when the phillipino accent is played back to them.

        I swear to god it's like the RIAA is running the call center industry.

        I was SCREAMING at the radio that the only reason Filipino accents don't score as badly as Indian accents are that Americans haven't called tech support yet and had to deal with under-trained Filipinos nearly as much as they've had to deal with under-trained Indians.

        So yes, that's their bright idea. So if Dell does accept the "Close your indian call centers" suggest, don't expect much of an improvement. Maybe we should be a little more specific and suggest that they move their call centers only to NATO countries, and preferably the US, Canada or the UK.

        • Re:Great Story: (Score:5, Interesting)

          by koreaman (835838) <uman@umanwizard.com> on Monday February 19 2007, @08:11PM (#18075806) Homepage
          Do you know any Filipinos, and more importantly, do you speak English with them on a regular basis?

          I know a teenage Filipina girl. Although she does have a noticable accent, her English is impeccable and easily understood. She's not a special case, this is normal for Filipinos. The Phillippines exhibit a situation of diglossia in which English is used for educational and government as well as other formal purposes. What this means is that everything from government proceedings to television reporting is conducted in the English language. In addition, English is the only language spoken in many schools, and textbooks are exclusively written in the language. According to the Filipina I know, any use of her local language in her school incurs a fine.

          Thus, Filipinos, especially educated ones, can be expected to have a good command of English. This, coupled with the fact that their accent is quite easily understandable, would make them, on average and from a linguistic point of view, much better technical support representatives than their Indian counterparts.

          • Mod parent... Well, *you* decide... (Score:5, Interesting)

            by KingSkippus (799657) * on Monday February 19 2007, @08:38PM (#18076062) Homepage Journal

            I won't tell you how to mod the parent, but I can throw my 2 cent's worth of experience in.

            It is 100% true that English isn't a second language in the Philippines, it's a primary language. I work in a 24x7 datacenter, and a year or so ago, a new support center was opened in the Philippines to handle our night shift. I thought they were going to let a bunch of people go, but it turned out, they were expanding our operations, not replacing them. (Thank goodness!)

            I was very skeptical that this would work. I had many of the same fears. Would we be able to understand their accent? Would they be undertrained an incompetent? Would there be any culture clashes?

            The answers, to my surprise, were: They have no discernible accent—none. They're very smart and easily keep up with our local folks, and have often gone far above and beyond the call of duty to help us out. And yes, they are very familiar with our culture and ways of doing things. In fact, a nice bonus about the Filipino support center is that a lot of our night shift calls were coming from Asia-Pacific countries (since, duh, they were open at that time of night), and a lot of those clients feel much more comfortable dealing with our Filipino support center than our American night shift folks.

            By now, you're probably thinking, "Right, you're just a management goober," but I assure you, I'm not. In fact, I was certain that I was going to lose my job due to Filipino outsourcing, but that never happened, since we weren't really outsourcing. And after working with them for a while at our shift turnover and seeing the quality of the work they did for us, I can honestly say that hiring our Filipino friends has turned out to be one of the few times management actually did something right at my company, and it's been a win-win situation for everyone.

            I'm not saying that every Filipino person is smart and capable and a perfect joy to work with. Just like dealing with all people, your mileage may vary. But I can say that anyone who thinks that good customer service can't be provided by support centers in the Philippines is either stupid or doesn't know enough Filipino people, if any at all.

            • Re:Mod parent... Well, *you* decide... (Score:5, Insightful)

              by styrotech (136124) on Monday February 19 2007, @09:00PM (#18076266)
              They have no discernible accent--none.

              Well that maybe the case for an American listener. All the Filipinos I've met (only a handful to be honest) sounded to me like they had American accents :)

              But just to agree with you, all of them had very good spoken english (if a little quiet).

          • Re:Great Story: (Score:4, Funny)

            by mwvdlee (775178) on Tuesday February 20 2007, @02:08AM (#18078638) Homepage

            I know a teenage Filipina girl.

            Are you sure about that?

            • Re:Great Story: (Score:5, Insightful)

              by ElDavido (897521) on Monday February 19 2007, @10:23PM (#18076966)
              and they're STILL not going to understand common pop-culture references
              Do you call tech support lines to chat about American Idol or something? When I call, I want technical answers. So long as I can understand the other person, I don't care where they are or what cultural customs they follow.

              (Yes, I understand that the Phillipines are an American protectorate so they could all be considered somewhat 'american' but you know what I meant)
              The Philippines are not an American protectorate. The Philippines have been a completely sovereign nation since 1946. They were ceded from the Spanish to the United States in the Spanish-American War in 1898. That relationship lasted until WWII, when the Japanese took the islands. After WWII, the Philippines became a fully independent nation. The United States had military bases there until the early 1990s.

  • Demographics (Score:5, Funny)

    by Wordplay (54438) <geo@snarksoft.com> on Monday February 19 2007, @06:13PM (#18074406)
    Strangely, the #2 option was pre-installed pictures of Natalie Portman.

  • curious (Score:5, Insightful)

    by gravesb (967413) on Monday February 19 2007, @06:15PM (#18074440) Homepage
    I'm all for choice, and I think its pretty stupid of Dell not to have offered this before. However, I wonder how many unique requests there are, and how many people asked for that a 1000 times or so. I use Linux at home, but it sure isn't on a Dell box; I built my own, as I guess a lot of Linux hobbists do. But if this gets Dell to implement that option, then great. More Linux penetration is good. Of course, people have to follow up on it; if they offer it and no one buys it, it just gives them and other retailers a reason not to offer it and will make it harder in the future to get pre-made Linux boxes from the major sellers.

    • Re:curious (Score:4, Interesting)

      by smilindog2000 (907665) <bill@billrocks.org> on Monday February 19 2007, @07:23PM (#18075330) Homepage
      I found an interesting Dell/Linux bit of hype. Dell pushed their new $400 Dimension e521 as a good Linux machine last fall, but it turned out that it wouldn't actually run Linux, due to BIOS bugs on Dell's system. I expected the community to report the bug, and move onto the next machine... wrong. There were at least hundreds of angry linux users out there making a stink... and then the unthinkable happened... Dell listened to the Linux community feedback and FIXED their BIOS! I bought one as soon as I read that. It makes a great Linux box, at least if you run Ubuntu Feisty :-)

  • Linux flavors A, B, C, D, E, F, G, etc. (Score:5, Interesting)

    by xxxJonBoyxxx (565205) on Monday February 19 2007, @06:16PM (#18074448)

    I believe they'll have a harder time now with the tired old mantra 'There's no customer demand for Linux.'"


    It's not so much that there isn't customer demand for LINUX, it's that there isn't a whole lot of customer demand for individual Linux flavors A, B, C, D, E, F, G, etc. It's too much of a PITA to worry about qualifying all that different hardware with all the different distros and then worrying about dealing with Red Hat, Novell and all the different suppliers of what's basically a free OS.

    Now, if they had a service like "I'll send you the Linux distro I want, please preinstall it on the next 500 computers you ship me," that could be big.

    • Re:Linux flavors A, B, C, D, E, F, G, etc. (Score:5, Insightful)

      by Chris Burke (6130) on Monday February 19 2007, @06:25PM (#18074582) Homepage
      Oh, that's not the problem. They could easily just pick one distro and only offer it. The problem is that even that one distro involves spending money on qualification, help desk, and so on. Plus then you are pissing of Microsoft, and who knows what kinds of "cooperative marketing" dollars Dell gets from them.

      It's pretty much the same thing as with AMD processors. For the longest time the official line was "There's no customer demand for AMD." Well, obviously there's demand, which is why they are bringing it up in the first place. What they really mean is "There's customer demand, but not enough for it to be worth the cost of supporting more than one platform, plus the loss from making our current single-platform vendor unhappy."

      Basically, just like with selling AMD-based systems, there's no way in hell Dell is going to sell pre-installed supported Linux until the financial incentive to do so is simply undeniable. And even then, they will at first just use the threat of doing so as a lever to get more concessions from Microsoft. If history holds true, expect Dell to be the last major OEM not shipping Linux.

      • Winds of Change. (Score:5, Interesting)

        by twitter (104583) on Monday February 19 2007, @07:19PM (#18075286) Homepage Journal

        ... expect Dell to be the last major OEM not shipping Linux.

        You think? I'm not sure anymore. Just a few weeks ago Michael Dell stood up with Vint Cerf and admitted 1 in 4 M$ computers is part of a botnet. Now his company is publicizing customer demand for Linux. If he was interested in toeing the M$ party line, he would have suppressed the results. The odds are Dell is moving away from being a M$ vassal.

        2007 is the year of Linux. Vista sucks, is not selling and the revolt is on. It's about time!

        • Re:Winds of Change. (Score:5, Funny)

          by drsmithy (35869) <drsmithy@@@gmail...com> on Monday February 19 2007, @09:34PM (#18076560)

          2007 is the year of Linux. Vista sucks, is not selling and the revolt is on. It's about time!

          1996 is the year of Linux. 95 sucks, is not selling and the revolt is on. It's about time!
          1997 is the year of Linux. 95 sucks, is not selling and the revolt is on. It's about time!
          1998 is the year of Linux. 98 sucks, is not selling and the revolt is on. It's about time!
          1999 is the year of Linux. 2000 sucks, is not selling and the revolt is on. It's about time!
          2000 is the year of Linux. 2000 sucks, is not selling and the revolt is on. It's about time!
          2001 is the year of Linux. XP sucks, is not selling and the revolt is on. It's about time!
          2002 is the year of Linux. XP sucks, is not selling and the revolt is on. It's about time!
          2003 is the year of Linux. XP sucks, is not selling and the revolt is on. It's about time!
          2004 is the year of Linux. XP sucks, is not selling and the revolt is on. It's about time!
          2005 is the year of Linux. XP sucks, is not selling and the revolt is on. It's about time!
          2006 is the year of Linux. XP sucks, is not selling and the revolt is on. It's about time!

    • Re:Linux flavors A, B, C, D, E, F, G, etc. (Score:5, Insightful)

      by nmos (25822) on Monday February 19 2007, @06:37PM (#18074754)
      It's too much of a PITA to worry about qualifying all that different hardware with all the different distros....

      I can't speak for anyone else but if I were buying a computer with Linux pre-installed it would just be as a sort of guarantee that there are Linux drivers available for the hardware. For that purpose it really doesn't matter what distro they choose.

    • Re:Linux flavors A, B, C, D, E, F, G, etc. (Score:5, Informative)

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 19 2007, @06:48PM (#18074882)
      Disclaimer: I work for Dell.

      Believe me. If you order 500 computers, you can get any commercially available OS for a PC installed. It's called CFI or custom factory integration. Ask your salesperson about it.

      The catch is that Dell will not support the OS unless it is one that is offered by Dell. Only the hardware is supported.

      The difficulty is being able to support every distro of Linux. It's impossible. I say that one is picked, say Ubuntu and support that with proper drivers and support.

      • Re:Linux flavors A, B, C, D, E, F, G, etc. (Score:5, Insightful)

        by MoxFulder (159829) on Monday February 19 2007, @07:25PM (#18075364) Homepage
        Seems perfectly reasonable to me! I'd be happy enough if Dell would simply support the hardware without charging me for a Windows license, which is basically the current situation if you order a Dell box and put Linux on it.

        It would be *really* nice if Dell would do some basic work to document device-driver compatibility for their systems. So if I was configuring a Linux system online, I'd like to see something like:

        Information in bold shows the availability of Linux device drivers for the selected components, based on Linux kernel version 2.6.19, x.org version 1.2.3.4, and CUPS version 5.6.7.8.

        Video Card:
        • NVidia GeForce Yadda Yadda (open-source driver for 2D graphics, closed-source vendor-provided driver for 3D graphics)
        • Intel Extreme Graphics Foobar (open-source vendor-assisted driver for 2D and 3D graphics)


        Wireless Networking:
        • RaLink 802.11a/b/g card (open-source vendor-assisted driver)
        • Intel Centrino foobar (closed-source vendor-provided driver)
        • Broadcom Whatzit (no native Linux drivers, may work with ndiswrapper)



        If Dell could do something like this, I'd give them *huge* props... and I imagine a lot of other Linux folks would to. I'd gladly order my next box or ten from them. It wouldn't even be that hard... I would guess that one guy working, say, 10 hours a week on this could easily document driver availability for all the hardware Dell sells with its desktop systems.

    • Re:Linux flavors A, B, C, D, E, F, G, etc. (Score:4, Interesting)

      by Chapter80 (926879) on Monday February 19 2007, @06:56PM (#18075014)
      Hmm... I've ordered quantities of Dell computers, and supplied the disk image. Never 500. More like 350 (in groups of 50 at a time), and their integration center pre-loads the image that we supplied.

      It happened to be a Windows image, but my impression is that they would have installed any image that we requested, including Linux.

  • Requests != demand (Score:5, Interesting)

    by StikyPad (445176) on Monday February 19 2007, @06:19PM (#18074504) Homepage
    I believe they'll have a harder time now with the tired old mantra 'There's no customer demand for Linux.'"

    Assuming, of course, that this wasn't a campaign launched by F/OSS zealots. For some reason, vocal minorities are often confused with silent majorities. I'll put more faith in this alleged consumer demand when Linux boxes start outselling all other systems by a 2-to-1 margin. In fact, I'd be amazed if they even sold at a 1:2 margin. It would be a pleasant surprise, but a surprise nonetheless.

    • Re:Requests != demand (Score:4, Informative)

      by profplump (309017) <zach@kotlarek.com> on Monday February 19 2007, @06:39PM (#18074780) Homepage
      You're correct in assuming that most people buying machine from Dell probably *are* happy without a pre-installed linux configuration option, but that doesn't mean the statistics in the poll aren't representative of some portion of Dell's actual machine-buying customers, or that the poll results are somehow rigged or invalid. All the statistics say is that, of people not happy with the existing configuration options, the most popular change request is pre-installed Linux, not that most customers would prefer Linux to Windows. Having Windows pre-installed is not a change, and therefore that configuration option is not represented in the statistics.

    • Re:Requests != demand (Score:5, Insightful)

      by jesdynf (42915) on Monday February 19 2007, @06:49PM (#18074896) Homepage

      You put a radio button that reads "( ) OpenOffice, FREE ( ) MS Office, $49.99 Dell Discount Rate" and we'll talk about consumer demand.

  • Um... why? (Score:3, Insightful)

    by ettlz (639203) on Monday February 19 2007, @06:23PM (#18074550) Homepage Journal

    No thank-you.

    • What distro are they going to use? As many as financially feasible? I can hear the Gentoo hordes clamouring already.
    • How old will this distro be?
    • How do I know it's been set up correctly?
    • What if I want a BSD?
    • Do we really want to let people loose on Linux who can't [be bothered to] install it themselves?

    I use Linux more or less exclusively, but I'd never buy a machine with it preinstalled. I've seen how badly a computer supplier can botch a Windows install. Just ship the box blank and accept that some people know more about certain things than you do.

    • Hey Brutus! (Score:5, Insightful)

      by copponex (13876) on Monday February 19 2007, @06:54PM (#18074976) Homepage
      Do you ever want mainstream driver support? Stop whining like a child whenever someone offers a service that includes Linux that isn't perfect for your needs. You need to a mature a little bit, and that involves coming to the conclusion that what's best for you may not be what's best for someone else. One thing I'm sure of is that it wouldn't hurt the Linux community to have highly visible desktop Dell support. I suspect you'd rather feel superior about your operating system than help the community that develops it.

    • Re:Um... why? (Score:5, Funny)

      by LParks (927321) on Monday February 19 2007, @06:54PM (#18074982)
      What if I want a BSD?

      If you want a Blue Screen of Death, then just get one of their Windows options.

    • Re:Um... why? (Score:5, Insightful)

      by towsonu2003 (928663) on Monday February 19 2007, @07:08PM (#18075166)

      No thank-you. (...) Just ship the box blank (...)
      If they ship Linux pre-installed, that means they included the proper F*all caps*G hardware that work with Linux... That means I don't have to look for Linux-compatible hardware with the idea "omfg, will they accept my return if it doesn't work?" in my head...


      Now those who modded the parent insightful, please mod me *redundant*...

  • Web comments != paying customers (Score:5, Insightful)

    by RLiegh (247921) * on Monday February 19 2007, @06:30PM (#18074652) Homepage Journal
    Just because a bunch of people on a web board request something, doesn't mean that it's a reflection of what people who are actually going to pay cash money want. It reflects that there's a strong desire for dell to preload linux and OpenOffice.org; but it's not necessarily a given that the people who are making that request are willing to shell out the bucks to buy a dell (especially considering the fact that most people who buy linux computers buy servers, and any desktop user who is competent enough to use Linux isn't going to settle for a prefab box, they're going to build theirs themselves).

  • Which distro? (Score:5, Funny)

    by seebs (15766) on Monday February 19 2007, @06:38PM (#18074756) Homepage
    It's ridiculous. While "Linux" may be a large market, each individual Linux is going to appeal only to a subset, and furthermore, users may not know which one they want. How do you know whether you want Linux Home Basic, Linux Home Premium, or Linux Ultimate? Or, if you run a home business, maybe you need Linux Enterprise or Linux Business. If you're not sure, maybe you should try Linux Starter, but I'm not sure you can upgrade.

    No one would ever expect a commercial product to succeed with that kind of internal market fragmentation, I don't see why they think it'll work for Linux.

  • Please vote for OpenOffice option (Score:5, Insightful)

    by dokebi (624663) on Monday February 19 2007, @06:38PM (#18074774)
    I think preinstalled OpenOffice would do more to promote Open Source and MS Alternatives than anything else. Linux is still unsuitable for casual users with other casual users as friends. For an average user wanting to run business apps or games, Linux/Wine/QEMU just isn't as friendly nor has the "ask your neighbor" tech support that you'd get running Windows.

    With a default OO install, there will be an instant install base of ODF. It'll do wonders for adoption of the format. Other manufacturers might even follow Dell, seeing how Dell can add functional software with minimal cost, leading to even more adoption. Business users might purchase MS Office anyway, but the home users and small businesses needing basic office needs would benefit in a real way without spending more money.

    So please, vote for OO.o. Having Dell install linux by default might be really cool, but voting for OO.o would help both Open Source awareness and adoption.

  • Certification would be better than install (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Bill Dimm (463823) on Monday February 19 2007, @06:46PM (#18074854) Homepage
    I don't think I would want Dell, or anyone else, doing the install for me, since I want to handle partitioning and package selection myself. It would be nice if each model said something like "certified that all hardware works with Linux Distros X, Y, and Z out of the box" so that I wouldn't have to hunt that info down myself.

  • Dell Linux (Score:4, Insightful)

    by DeepBlueGlow (1022475) on Monday February 19 2007, @06:51PM (#18074922)
    The best way for Dell (or any OEM) to support Linux would be to start their own distro pre-installed, configured and optimized for the hardware they sell.
  • It's a Digg-style ranking site. And items one and three were submitted by the same user (dhart). And now he submits a link to Slashdot to boost the ratings farther.

    He calls this an honest representation of customer demand?! When I got linked to by Slashdot, I got 28,000 hits. And that was a Sunday morning. Say bye-bye to any sort of reasonable cross-section of Dell users.

    I love Linux, and haven't run anything But Linux on my personal systems since 2001, but this is very nearly astroturfing. At the very least, it'll strongly bias the demographic on ideastorm.

  • Shill? (Score:4, Interesting)

    by Gothmolly (148874) on Monday February 19 2007, @07:04PM (#18075116)
    So 100 motivated geeks spammed their website and made it look as if there's huge customer demand. Duh. That's like those CNN or MoveOn.org polls - only the motivated even go there.

    A better metric would be to have an OS choice list on their config page, with a "sorry we don't support Linux option" displayed once people click it.

  • Slashdot prank calls (Score:4, Funny)

    by elmedico27 (931070) on Monday February 19 2007, @09:05PM (#18076308)
    Dell Customer Service: "I think our Dimension line would be perfect for you."

    Slashdot Nerd: "Oh yeah? But does it run Linux?? HAHAHAHAHAHAH"

    DCS: "Actually, yes, it does. And we'll install it for you."

    SN: "Oh."

    DCS: "..."

    SN: "..."

    DCS: "..."

    SN: "Can I get a Beowulf cluster of them?? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA"

    • Re:Which distro? (Score:5, Informative)

      by gormanly (134067) on Monday February 19 2007, @06:22PM (#18074546)

      Dell ships workstations and servers with Red Hat Enterprise Linux preinstalled and re-sells the support contracts.

      End-user boots up, configures their system (as they'd have to do with Windows on first boot) and logs in. The RHN updates icon tells them when patches are available (if they don't have a sysadmin to take care of all that). Easy as pie.

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