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Fedora 8 Released
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CowboyNeal
on Thu Nov 08, 2007 07:21 PM
from the hot-off-the-presses dept.
from the hot-off-the-presses dept.
Cat in the Hat writes "Fedora 8 has been officially released. Ars Technica has a run-down of what's new in Fedora 8, including the PulseAudio sound daemon, Nodoka visual style, and a new authentication system. 'Another major change in Fedora 8 is the new PolicyKit authentication system that makes authority escalation more secure. Instead of providing root access to an entire program when it needs higher privileges, PolicyKit makes it possible to isolate individual operations that require higher privileges and put them into system services that can be accessed through D-Bus. Another advantage of PolicyKit is that it will give administrators more control over which users and programs have access to individual operations that use escalated privileges.'"
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Another one? (Score:2, Insightful)
Oh. They are, aren't they?
Re:Another one? (Score:4, Informative)
Fedora 8 isn't related too much to RHEL (RHEL 5 was built on Fedora Core 6). I use only Fedora and Red Hat and I'm probably biased. However, F8 includes some neat stuff that warrants checking up by Linux users in general. It works great, too.
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Waiting for Fedora 9 (Score:2, Informative)
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Re:Waiting for Fedora 9 (Score:4, Informative)
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Re:Waiting for Fedora 9 (Score:5, Insightful)
did you read the notes?
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/8/ReleaseSummary#head-4f0c6fbce5ef70b1b3c850fbd9dd725ddfd48a42 [fedoraproject.org]
as someone else wrote
* custom spins
* fedora 8 on a usb key
* pulseaudio
* codecbuddy
* yum improvements (yes it's fast)
* packagemanagement improvements (change repos and more)
* gui for firewall
* online desktop
* the whole fedoraproject.org website and associated projects
* Network Manager suppose to have seamless capabilities
* New Syslog demon
* seamless bluetooth integration and laptop improvments
I can go on. I'm very excited about this release you kidding?
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I don't think it has GCC 4.2 yet. this [vt.edu] shows gcc 4.1.
Remember that's Red Hat's GCC 4.1 branch, not stock FSF 4.1, and it has a lot of 4.2 features backported to it, e.g. OpenMP and I think recent Intel + AMD processor tuning too.
Actually Fedora are hoping to skip 4.2 altogether and use 4.3 for Fedora 9 - see this thread [gnu.org] from the GCC mailing list.
Re:I tried the live cd (Score:5, Insightful)
1. DeVD's - RH is US-based. It would be illegal for them to include DeCSS libraries. You can get them from atrpms. Other US-based distributions arent going to have it either.
2. nvidia - actually nvidia is at fault here, they should either release specs or source for their drivers, so that they can be supported properly by Xorg. (As many other video card chipsets are) And as before, you can still add these yourself, either from atrpms or directly from nvidia.
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As ATI has started doing with the R500 and R600 series. So far the technical docs they've released basically only cover the frame buffer, but they've stated that the 3D docs will be forthcoming. (2D acceleration is done using the 3D engine.)
For now, it looks like the 3D graphics hardware with the best open source support is the Intel GMA-X3000 integrated graphi
finer grained priv levels (Score:2)
talk about the old coming back in style again. but giving too coarse a set of 'root privs' has always been inferior in unix compared to the privs level VMS had.
otoh, once you start going fine-grained, its a whole order of magnitude more 'management' and debugging. so, the benefit won't be entirely for free. but it will be worth it. the 'all or nothing' model has had a good run. but it is tired and in need of some modernization, even if taking hints from 30 year old
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Ok, where's DCL for Linux?
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there is one! or used to be. I once cared - but then, well, I got better
I loved vms and dcl - but it had no future once DEC became compaq. worse when HP got that.
it had its run, but I'd use a unix shell on a unix box and not hack around with dcl wannabees. I'm not sure the philosophies would really match that well, dcl and unix...
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Hell I'm old enough to remember punch-cards.
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To be fair here, it has never been an 'all or nothing' model. Don't forget setgid. For example, most mail related programs run setgid with the corresponding programs setgid rather than setuid.
One reason for the simplified security model in Unix was exactly because the more complicated system of Multics (with ACLs etc) tended to lead to poorer security since the security aspects were spread out all over the filesystem and ACLs instead of just being entirely in the code. Or to put it another way, securi
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Even with decus the agenda was mostly controlled by DEC, and directed at selling more stuff. I knew most of the answer you gave to the GP's question, but I never played with that feature, even though I had seen it used.
If there was most open source stuff available specifically for VMS I would have learned more. Unfortunately
Fedora 8 release summary and announcements (Score:5, Informative)
Release Summary -- http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/8/ReleaseSummary [fedoraproject.org]
Release Notes -- http://docs.fedoraproject.org/release-notes/f8/en_US/ [fedoraproject.org]
Fedora Project Leader's release announcement -- http://lwn.net/Articles/257644/ [lwn.net]
And of course the downloads at http://torrent.fedoraproject.org/ [fedoraproject.org]
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GNOME, KDE, and other custom spins (Score:4, Informative)
Fedora 8 running on USB keys (Score:5, Informative)
It is one of the more interesting features in Fedora -- users can build their own customized spin of the distro, and then run it on a USB key. Totally custom and portable.
Yet ANOTHER sound server? (Score:5, Insightful)
And Linux audio STILL has a problem with blocking IO! So now I get to have networked audio in a few PulseAudio-aware apps, while my softphone won't ring and my calendar alarm is mute because some web page in the background uses Flash.
Re:Yet ANOTHER sound server? (Score:5, Informative)
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Adding another userspace soundserver will just compound the confusion that already exists, while leaving the largest architectural flaw in place.
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And anyway, if the presence of OSS-using programs blocks the newer architecture, then nothing's been fixed. You can't expect users to learn these details about apps and juggle them to keep their soundcard accessible.
I have a system right in front of me with NO
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Original poster obviously didn't look at all into what PulseAudio actually does, because the one thing PulseAudio does really well compared to everything that came before it is unify all these various sou
Re:Yet ANOTHER sound server? (Score:5, Interesting)
The guys behind PulseAudio really "get it". They even decided to drop their typically-awful open-source project name "PolypAudio" in favor of the infinitely better "PulseAudio", for wider acceptance. You've got to give them points for that; the GIMP could learn a thing or two from them.
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Fast torrent this time (Score:4, Interesting)
Mwo??? Available at Facebook? (Score:5, Funny)
I wonder how long ballmer will be throwing chairs because one of his favored investments is giving away/make freely available an operating system he'd like to suffocate.
He is probably going to have a cozy little chat with one young Mr. Mark Zuckerberg. But, he'll start out easy. Won't throw REAL chairs in his office, but maybe lawn or bean-bags first.
Mark: (seeing chairs break the speed of light for the first time...) DUDE! Aurora Boralis, up close!
Finegrained security (Score:3, Interesting)
I'm not sure I like that one too much. Finegrained security models have always been a bloody nightmare, one way or another, and very often don't get used/are switched off, resulting in the opposite effect of that intended. Look to Vista to see why it sn't a good idea - users feel their are being bugged by constant dialog boxes asking them to confirm that it is OK to do trivial tasks, or asking for administrator passwords etc. People just want to get on with life, so this is a huge irritation - it may be true that all you need is to spend a little time and effort on setting it up, but people in general are not security minded and meticulous. This is, by the way, why Windows became so popular despite the huge problems with security and stability - a PC was almost an appliance that allowed you to use the internet and write documents, you just turned it on and used it.
Vista isn't the only example of finegrained security, only the latest and perhaps the one that has succeeded in pissing off most people. Oracle has it's own, very finely grained model, which I have never seen used seriously; and then there is RACF on IBM's mainframes, not a joy to work with either, IMO.
I think the basic UNIX security model is just about as much as most people want to bother with.
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They copied a bunch of stuff Windows has had for years (policy) or just got (advanced audio).
Hard to say what is a logical progression and what is copying. I mean, AppGuard (Suse) is not much different from having policies, and that has been around for a while now. Improving audio as a default is just a good idea, period. What disappoints me is that every time I choose a Linux OS to install on my systems, another brand comes up with some cool tricks that I wish I had. I just installed Ubuntu on my macbook, and now I'm tempted to go and try Fedora again after years of not touching it.
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What disappoints me is that every time I choose a Linux OS to install on my systems, another brand comes up with some cool tricks that I wish I had.
So why not dynamically resize your drive partition{s} to include some free space with GParted [wikipedia.org] and then dual-boot? [wikipedia.org]
You could also tri-boot with two partitions for stable "keepers" and a third as a "scratch install" space, just for testing... 'Bout 20GB oughta be plenty.
I'm not suggesting that with ALL your systems, but on at least one, and on as many different hardware combinations as possible...
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this is not a copy of any Microsoft or Apple function. This is closer to Trusted Solaris and ppriv command. that allows users to be given access to services and at what level they are usable, IE the OS is at ADMIN LOW because all user will be able to read that security domain but not write to it.. (read down/ write up) and all logs are published to admin high because most users can write to that level but not read it (so you can't find your actions in a log and remov
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Re:I'm having problems with GNOME. (Score:4, Informative)
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Re:All Hail Choice! (Score:5, Funny)
You mean something like MS does?
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Uhh, no thanks. I've already done that and guess what, the software was STILL crap, but I got a huge impression of a misplaced sense of authority and entitlement from the publisher...
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RC means Release Candidate. In most sane systems, this means that it's the build they intend to be the final build. It's first build with all the debugging flags turned off, which is what differentiates it from a beta.
Once a Release Candidate has few enough bugs left open against it, then it becomes the final build. In a sane system, there is no difference between the final release and the release candidate immediately before it.
Otherwise it's not really a release candidate, it's a beta.
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In Microsoft language this is called "Service Pack 3".
Dang! I just got Gutsy Gibbon configured.... (Score:2)