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Joomla's Project Director Talks 1.1

Posted by Zonk on Tue Mar 28, 2006 09:52 AM
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daria42 writes "It's been a hectic six months for the Joomla open-source CMS since its split from the Mambo project, but according to this interview with project director Andrew Eddie there are even faster times ahead. Next week Joomla will make its formal debut at LinuxWorld Expo in Boston, with the milestone Joomla 1.1 release due towards the end of April. As Mambo and Joomla continue to diverge, Eddie says, users and developers will be forced to declare their colours and pick one or the other for production sites."
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  • Sounds cool but wtf is Joomla? (Score:3, Informative)

    by OlivierB (709839) on Tuesday March 28 2006, @09:59AM (#15010581)
    Ah yes that's right, Salshdotters need to always use Wikipedia as reference guide http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joomla [wikipedia.org]

  • YACMS (Score:3, Funny)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 28 2006, @10:08AM (#15010643)

    yet another CMS, add it to the list [cmsmatrix.org] only 548 to choose from, so dont let anyone tell you OSS doesnt give you a choice

    • Re:YACMS (Score:3, Informative)

      by hey! (33014)
      Well, there's mindshare I guess. A lot of people use Mambo and contribute products and themes for it. That's huge for most potential users.

      After experimenting with it, I'd say it's biggest drawback is a lack of a decent security model. Maintaining a seperate user database is bad enough, but the security model is primitive beyond belief. It doesn't have ACLs, or even anything approaching the old Unix groups. This means its not only difficult to manage Mambo in the context of other network services you
    • I dunno. Most "forks" of this kind seem to have a "winner" and a "loser." The winner continues, and the loser, if not dead, lies mortally wounded.

      Example I can think of would be XFree86 (the loser) and X.org (the winner).

  • Flurbal (Score:5, Funny)

    by courtarro (786894) on Tuesday March 28 2006, @10:14AM (#15010685) Homepage
    When Smilnar director James Smith presented at the annual HARVL conference, he introduced that the Smilnar project would be joining the Yarbel group to create a new product code-named "Woolpun". Critics of the merger cite problems with Smilnar's compatibility problems with other Romolad systems, but Smith had some choice words for them: "Stewfoo"

    • Re:Flurbal (Score:4, Funny)

      by Cheerio Boy (82178) on Tuesday March 28 2006, @10:40AM (#15010870) Homepage Journal
      Dead Monkeys are to split up again, according to their manager, Lefty Goldblatt. They've been in the business now ten years, nine as other groups. Originally the Dead Salmon, they became for a while, Trout. Then Fried Trout, then Poached Trout In A White Wine Sauce, and finally, Herring. Splitting up for nearly a month, the re-formed as Red Herring, which became Dead Herring for a while, and then Dead Loss, which reflected the current state of the group. Splitting up again to get their heads together, they reformed a fortnight later as Heads Together, a tight little name which lasted them through a difficult period when their drummer was suspected of suffering from death. It turned out to be only a rumor and they became Dead Together, then Dead Gear, which lead to Dead Donkeys, Lead Donkeys, and the inevitable split up. After nearly ten days, they reformed again as Sole Manier, then Dead Sole, Rock Cod, Turbot, Haddock, White Baith, the Places, Fish, Bream, Mackerel, Salmon, Poached Salmon, Poached Salmon In A White Wine Sauce, Salmon-monia, and Helen Shapiro. This last name, their favorite, had to be dropped following an injunction and they split up again. When they reformed after a recordbreaking two days, they ditched the fishy references and became Dead Monkeys, a name which they stuck with for the rest of their careers. Now, a fortnight later, they've finally split up.
    • You Slashdot granfaloons just worships the wampeter of technology. It's all foma.

    • Did you just step out of an IKEA store?

  • What? (Score:2, Offtopic)

    by wheany (460585)
    You can't just make up words and acronyms and post it on the front page.
    • Both Joomla and Mambo are Swahili words, mambo being a greeting that roughly translates to an informal "how are you" and jumla means "together".

      Anyhow, that makes jumla or joomla a good name for a CMS; "together" certainly makes more sense than "hey what's up?". I'm not sure why it's anglicised with two OOs, since in Swahili that makes a long "oh" sound, but maybe there already is a project spelled jumla... which would just go to show how hard it is to find a name for a project these day
  • This is right next to where I work and we use joomla on the company portal. Anyone have more info on when this will be presented? I cant find any information on the convention website:
    http://www.linuxworldexpo.com/live/12/events/12BOS 06A/SN919567 [linuxworldexpo.com]

    and the link is slashdotted...
    Apparently exhibits and keynotes are free.

    http://www.linuxworldexpo.com/live/12/register///C C60804 [linuxworldexpo.com]

  • When it IS released... (Score:3, Informative)

    by n00tz (926304) on Tuesday March 28 2006, @10:25AM (#15010763) Homepage
    You'll be able to test it out at OpenSourceCMS.com [opensourcecms.com]

  • User friendly? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by rueger (210566) on Tuesday March 28 2006, @10:38AM (#15010855) Homepage
    All well and good, but the real step needed for OSS CMS is to create one that an average user can administer. By "average" I mean anyone who isn't a hard core code geek. The kind of person who is comfortable installing these systems to their server, but who is more interested in tweaking the look and adding content than spending hours figuring out the arcane thinking of the people who wrote the code.

    I've tried Joomla, as well as few other top rated CMS, and found all of them pretty much imcomprehensible. I'm sure that there is some underlying logic to the Administration of each of these systems, but I have failed to find it. Terminology, functionality, it all cries out for testing by real users.

    Blog software like Wordpress [wordpress.org] has managed to make Administration nice, understandable, and constantly improving, so why can't CMS like Joomla do the same?

    And of course, they really do need some real documentation, not half baked wikis and forums.

    • Re:User friendly? (Score:2, Insightful)

      by ukpyr (53793)
      Actual CMS software has a horridly large scope to deal with. Blog software is, I don't know, 10% as complex? (To pick a number out of the air)
    • Well, the issue with CMSes that I've tried is that they give you pretty much a) an empty canvas and b) a few half-assed templates. Everybody seems to want to do their own thing with it, which never ever seems to fit into any template. Basicly, you have all the wierdness of web design combined with all the wierdness of how people want things to hang together. My impression of blogs is that people aren't too concerned if the templates look decent, if you can just replace the look. Well, people want much more
    • One main problem is that open source projects that are meant for the average person need an average person as a mian contributor to UI and functionality.

      That said CMS do a lot so there will always be a lot of stuff int he admin interface. If you want something easy with great documentation, then pay for it. This way the company you are paying can afford to make it easier to use.

      Or just pay one of the developers of the CMS to set it all up for you. I am sure they would love to get some cash as a result of
    • Are you kidding me? Joomla and its counterpart have to be the easiest to use CMS software ever designed!

      Yes it can look a little daunting, but as another poster has pointed out... CMSes are infinitely more complex than a blog. What are you thinking? A CMS with an interface as simple as Wordpress would be absolutely uselss as a CMS. Basically... it'd be a blog :).

      Quit yer whining. Seriously. If you can't admin a CMS then you have no right in even bothering to try. And complaining about the complexity
    • I don't buy that excuse at all. I purchased a domain that came with the Cpanel and Fantastico script, and installing Joomla was a piece of cake that involved nothing more than supplying a name and password and choosing the root directory. The folks that make Fantastico are geniuses. Installing Joomla was no harder than opening a Gmail mail account, and using Joomla since then is as easy as clicking on big colorful buttons.

    • Wordpress has about 2 percent of the functionality of most CMS. So how would you propose to dumb down administration by 98 percent?
    • All well and good, but the real step needed for OSS CMS is to create one that an average user can administer.

      I think this is only true for the "average" non-professional fan site or personal blog / project.

      When thinking of an "enterprise grade" CMS that a commercial site might use, where there are complex content management problems that involve complicated taxonomy and multi users and editors, it can be expected that the administration is going to be complex as well. This is not to say that the admins o

  • Looking forward to 1.1.... (Score:3, Informative)

    by joeygb (530333) on Tuesday March 28 2006, @10:38AM (#15010857)
    I've been using Joomla for a while now and it is definitely the way to go in the Mambo vs. Joomla decision. Joomla is really great for personal sites because of the vast number of themes/modules/plugins/etc. out there. The only problem is that a lot of these 3rd party components are far from being a stable, polished final product. I think that if Joomla wants to be used more in the business world then it probably has a lot of work to do, but for less "mission critical" uses Joomla is the way to go. I think that Joomla could learn a lot from another big open source CMS, Drupal, when it comes to building a CMS for business uses.

    As an aside, is it required that all CMSs have ridiculous names?

    • Regarding the needs for "mission critical" buzzword compliance, we hope you will see the huge changes we have made to the API (and underlying core systems) to make it easier for developers to make sophisticated applications, and quickly. That has always been a benefit of Joomla, and the next release will really open up a lot of doors and provide a lot of additional tools for developers. You could reasonably say that the Joomla CMS was rewritten with the Joomla Framework.

      As an aside, is it required that a

  • Any /.ers know of any useful comparisons between the various CMS systems out there? I don't just want a list of features but an actual comparison with ease-of-use, etc. I need to use something for my personal site.
  • The article didn't say anything about new features, and was just a fluff piece. The last paragraph had a one sentence blurp about "more object-oriented features", but that was it.

  • recommendation for CMS w/o database server? (Score:4, Informative)

    by penguin-collective (932038) on Tuesday March 28 2006, @12:27PM (#15011649)
    Does anybody have a recommendation for a CMS similar to Joomla or Drupal that doesn't require a separate database server? Something that gets by with either the file system or SQLite? WYSIWYG content creation is a must in this application, so Wikis aren't an option.

    • Re:huh? (Score:2, Informative)

      by switchfutguy (880698)
      it's pretty well the best content management system for the web...and it's *free* thank you open source
      • What is a content management system, and why should I care?

        Seriously, i know that was trollish but what is the advantage of a CMS over intelligently organized files, directories, and links?
    • "some lame coder wants to make some useless changes "

      And now , the history of OpenBSD....
    • It really simple. Joomla has all of the developers. Therefore, Joomla continues to improve.

      Mambo might have some developers, but they are not the ones who wrote it in the first place.

      Disclaimer: I've never used either product (nor do I have my own website). I speak only of what I've heard.

    • Re:CMSs - solutions looking for problems... (Score:2, Insightful)

      by Anonymous Coward
      I tried, but there isn't a -1 Clueless option. Anyone who thinks being able to move files around directories is a reasonable substitute for a full blown CMS in all cases needs their attitude readjusting.
    • I know this is a familiar dig (ha ha look at those stooopid open source developers, they don't have the brains to name their project novell, or exxon or soething) but the reality is that all the english words are already owned by corporations. You can't name your product anything sensible because all the words are owned and you will get sued.

      Should the open source developers risk getting sued for you? Just to give you a name you are more likely to approve of?

      There is a solution though. You and people who th

      • I know this is a familiar dig (ha ha look at those stooopid open source developers, they don't have the brains to name their project novell, or exxon or soething) but the reality is that all the english words are already owned by corporations. You can't name your product anything sensible because all the words are owned and you will get sued.

        Nice analogy in your attempt to say that all the major corporations own these words but Exxon isn't a word. Not to mention the fact that your analogy tends to bre

        • "Nice analogy in your attempt to say that all the major corporations own these words but Exxon isn't a word."

          Looks like it went right over your head there. Exxon isn't a word, neither is joomla, novell, ebay, nissan or whatever. My point is that you guys are always bitching about open source names without realzing that most company and product names are not words either. Why? Because virtually all words are owned by somebody or another. That's why there is the nissan maxima and the BMW X5.

          "Not to mention th

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