Kororaa Releases XGL LiveCD 65
Tony Tony Chopper writes "The team from Kororaa who brought us a GUI based Gentoo installer have just released the first live CD to use xgl technology. From Kororaa.org, the lead developer Chris writes 'Today I am happy to release a Kororaa Live CD showcasing Xgl technology.' The response so far have been incredibly positive, an article at tuxmachines.org is glowing with much praise and few complaints. For those who love eye-candy but don't want to mess with their existing installs, this is the perfect opportunity to see what Xgl is about. The torrent can be downloaded from LinuxTracker."
It's pretty... (Score:1)
Don't forget AIGLX (Score:2)
Re:Don't forget AIGLX (Score:3, Insightful)
It doesn't really matters how it was developed; the source code is freely available under GPL. If someone feels they can do better, there is nothing stopping them.
Not GPL licenced! BSD / MIT (Score:3, Informative)
Don't buy the anti-Xgl FUD, check it yourself (Score:2, Informative)
Xgl development is being done highly cooperatively and has been so for many months --- it's all there in the mailing list, for anyone who wants to check the evidence. The business hand of Novell is nowhere to be seen, so all this talk of "proprietary" is the sheerest nonsense, especially since Novell owns SuSE. And on top of that,
zomg, sweet (Score:1, Interesting)
Either way, I think I'll give it a try ^^
Re:zomg, sweet (Score:5, Informative)
Yes. Of course not automatically, but it does provide a technical means that makes things possible that will increase usability. Take the expose like feature, or live previews when alt-tabbing, for example. And will of course make implementing accessibility (sp?) like zooming much easier to implement.
"Not to mention the obivous questions like "will my crappy integrated graphics card even come close to running this?""
I think one of the best things about XGL (and AIGLX for that matter) is that the hardware requirements for this are actually pretty low. So if you integrated graphic chip does do opengl, it should work.
Of course keep in mind that this thing is still in beta and that many drivers still lack the opengl extensions needed, so that many things that later will be done in hardware are now actually done with mesa in software.
That said, despite these problems, XGL runs very smooth on my quite old and not very powerful Geforce.
Re:zomg, sweet (Score:1)
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Thank you! (Score:2)
Keep seeding that torrent!
Re:Is it? Is it really? (Score:1)
Please, don't bother pointing out the logical fallacy in this argument
Re:Is it? Is it really? (Score:1)
Re:Is it? Is it really? (Score:1)
Some thoughts. (Score:3, Interesting)
For some reason I can't get the zoom stuff or anything involving the "Windows" key working though. Also, I wasn't able to get any video going in real time-- obviously I can't watch a DVD with the CD already in the drive... and streaming wasn't working. Also, I have two monitors but they weren't both detected.
But it's so cool. I have no right to complain.
A question-- Is it just me or is there a kind of aliasing that happens when a window stops moving? It's like it goes "soft" antialiasing as it bounces around, but then just before it snaps back into place it seems to get crisper...
All in all, this is a great CD to show around. Now when's the AIGLX demo LiveCD coming out?
Re:Some thoughts. (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Some thoughts. (Score:2)
Same here - you can edit this in gconf-editor, though - I think (purely from memory) that it's in Apps->Compiz->Zoom, then you can edit the key to something like Alt plus scrollwheel, like I di
Is there a forum for more plugin ideas? (Score:5, Interesting)
For example, as a dialog boxes pops up, at the same time the underlying windows might drop back and fall into a zone that is out of focus, or perhaps individual windows might literally "pop" up (growing larger with larger shadows). The shadows themselves could be "real" I would imagine, and the shadow could be generated via a virtual light source which could be moved manually or automatically throughout the day.
In short, some of the stuff I've seen seems to have been brought over from OS X, but the power of GLX and AIGLX seem seem to open up a whole new world of GUI possibilities. The zoom effect, combined with vector graphics seems to offer quite a bit to those with visual impairments, for example. Is there a place where UI gurus are talking about new effects that may not only provide eye candy, but increase the usability and even suggest new analogies or interactive effects to make computing easier/better?
Why a LiveCD? (Score:5, Interesting)
I'd love to be able to test out distros on a thumbdrive...maybe it's just me though.
Re:Why a LiveCD? (Score:2)
I'm too lazy to find links, so you'll have to use google.
Re:Why a LiveCD? (Score:1, Insightful)
Re:Why a LiveCD? (Score:4, Informative)
* Because not everyone can boot from USB
* Because practically everyone has a CD drive
* Because it's easier to boot from a CD
* Because it's a lot cheaper to give your friend a CD than a thumb drive
Re:Why a LiveCD? (Score:2)
Re:Why a LiveCD? (Score:3, Informative)
Why not a living cd? (Score:4, Interesting)
Maybe have the installer also create another file on the disk for the User's home dir. Have it automatically mount the existing filesystems like knoppix does. It would take some hacking, but have an overlay filesystem so they could install any programs they wanted permanently to their 'installed' os. Then people that know nothing about computers can use linux regularly without any hassle.
Of course not having a working NTFS driver makes this much more difficult technically. But just imagine saying you can replace your crufty Windows interface with Linux's opengl 3d one, for free, and still boot windows just by taking the cd out.
XGL rocks :-D (Score:3, Interesting)
I use it at work and LOVE it.
I've also got copies of this live CD to give out to anyone that likes what I can do.
I really expected it to get annoying but it doesn't, I find it kind of refreshing and it helps deal with all those layers of BROWN.
One thing I have found strange is that it seems to work smoother and better on my laptop with a geforce go 5200 than it does on my 6600 FX card?!?!
Weird but cool.
Re:XGL rocks :-D (Score:1)
Re:XGL rocks :-D (Score:1)
Some of us have ATI cards on our GNU/Linux installs, you insensitive clod.
Re:XGL rocks :-D (Score:2)
Eye Candy Without Work? (Score:1, Insightful)
Re:Eye Candy Without Work? (Score:2)
Slow? (Score:5, Interesting)
Always when I bring this up it gets dismissed as a configuration error. No, I don't think so. It's the same with this LiveCD as my own compiles before. I have tried on 3Ghz+ computers with Nvidia 6600gt and 6800 cards. In all these demo vides we have seen I have never seen a window resize. If it's just my computers than please upload somewhere a video where resize flies and let me see.
Before this is fixed all this is just a showcase toy. I understand it's new and not optimized but can we at least agree on that some REAL optimization is necessary? Because before it is as fast as xorg it's just useless for real work, and I would really like to have this.
Re:Slow? (Score:1)
Re:Slow? (Score:3, Informative)
Of course it's going to be slow (missing feature) (Score:1)
Your graphics driver doesn't yet support the GLX_EXT_texture_from_pixmap extension so every time that call is made (near enough any time the window changes) it is going to be emulated in software. As you do that opaque resize just think how many times it might be being called... Don't worry though - your 3D chipset vendor says they will implement it in their next driver release [nvidia.com].
However at the end of the day what is acceptable to me could well not be acceptable to you - just two months ago everyo
GNOME deps (Score:1)
Great!!! (Score:1)
Re:Great!!! (Score:1)
Hardware requirements? (Score:2)
Does anyone have any minimum hardware guidelines? I've downloaded the ISO, but as I moved to PowerPC systems roughly two years ago my best Intel box here is an old P3-450 with 384MB of RAM and an old 16MB ATI AGP video card -- probably significantly below the minimum specs (although I am going to try it and will report on it here).
I imagine I can find a system in the lab tomorrow to try it out on, but knowing what the hardware requirements are in advance will help me narrow down which system I should borr
Re:Hardware requirements? (Score:4, Informative)
Re:Hardware requirements? (Score:2)
Thanks. The only problem with these two lists is they only detail supported video cards. How about processor speed and RAM?
Burning the image to CD-RW on my PowerBook is just about finished, so I'll boot it up on my aged hardware to see what happens. I expect either bloody slow, or nothing at all :).
Yaz.
Re:Hardware requirements? (Score:1)
Re:That great, but I'm having trouble with OpenGL (Score:2, Funny)
Since you have given us such a wealth of information with which to diagnose your problem, I am going to try to be equally illuminating in my answer.
The solution is for you to fix your system. Maybe try and work out what changed a few months ago and then reverse it.
Hope this helps - no need to thank me.
WARNING... it kills network cards (Score:2)
Finally, the Linux desktop is ready! (Score:1)
It seems Linux desktop operating systems have finally caught up to (and overtaken, until Vista) Windows, for the most part. Most of the functionality has been there for a few years (especially since Ubuntu), and this makes it all extremely pretty, too.
Most of this is just graphical sugar, but some of it is also useful. There is a zoom feature which
Nerdity through obscurity! (Score:1, Funny)
This reminds me of a funny AC post a while back:
Don't tell everyone how AMAZING Debian is, please! I get this strange (probably very sick) psychological aversion to seeing things I feel are part of my ingroup assets become popular. As a Debian user of 7 or 8 years I get a little nervous at this. My choice of (vastly superior) operating system is what makes me feel different. Have a little mercy on a nerds elitist insecuri
3dfx Hardware supported (Score:2)
However, the site lists only nVidia and ATI cards as being supported.
Anyone else have any input?
Re:3dfx Hardware supported (Score:1)
However last I heard Xgl was trying to target OpenGL 1.3 (or 1.2 with a particular extension). If your driver doesn't implement those features you could be out of luck...
Re:3dfx Hardware supported (Score:2)
thanks,
harryk
Gnome (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Gnome (Score:2)
Sounds like a social disease though.
"I got Gororaa over the weekend!"
Nice.... (Score:2)
Tantalizing and frustrating (Score:2, Informative)
Probably drivers (Score:1)
Re:Probably drivers (Score:1)
Re:Probably drivers (Score:1)
XGL is my new god (Score:1)
Xgl is "in early development" software (Score:1)