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Debian 3.1 (Sarge) Released

Posted by timothy on Mon Jun 06, 2005 04:52 PM
from the at-last-not-at-least dept.
Debian GNU is Not Unix Software Linux
Mister Furious writes "First, Apple switches to Intel, and now, equally shocking: Debian Sarge is released! Hell has officially frozen over! The scoop is from debian-administration.org: "The new Debian stable release, codenamed Sarge, has officially been released today. Several years of development since the last stable release, Woody, was released on the 9th of July, 2002 over a thousand developers around the world have helped make this release possible." Changes include Gnome 2.8, Firefox 1.0.4, Thunderbird 1.0.2, Apache 2.0.54 (1.3.33 is still available, too!), Postgresql 7.4.7, and more. The news hasn't hit the main Debian GNU/Linux site as of this article's posting. Congratulations to all of the Debian developers and contributors. Thanks for all your hard work and for a great distro!" Here's a link to the Debian Stable "Release" file.

Espectr0 points out an article about the release at Linux Compatible, writing "It is available on 14 (!) CD's or 2 DVD's. It includes XFree86 4.3, GNOME 2.8, KDE 3.3, Kernel 2.4.27, GCC 3.3.5, OpenOffice.org 1.1.3 and much others."

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  • Yes but... (Score:4, Funny)

    by yogikoudou (806237) on Monday June 06 2005, @04:54PM (#12740404)
    Does it run Linux on my Mac x86 ?
  • In a brillant marketing sting, Steve Jobs of Apple [apple.com], the Debian Developement Team [debian.org] and 3DRealms [3drealms.com] united and tried to get the attention of the world today by confirming the long rumored news of the release of their respective flagship products, the Intel-microprocessor based "Macintosh Computer" [heise.de], the linux operating sytem "Debian 3.1" [debian.org] and the so called first person shooter game "Duke Nukem Forever" [3drealms.com] within hours and by doing so slashdotting [wikipedia.org] the website "Slashdot.Org" [slashdot.org] - the only thing of the whole internet thought to be unslashdottable [1112.net].

  • Mail to debian-announce; news on www.debian.org (Score:5, Informative)

    by Josh Triplett (874994) on Monday June 06 2005, @04:55PM (#12740415)
    Mail to debian-announce [debian.org]

    News on www.debian.org [debian.org]

    Congrats to the Debian project!

  • Congratulations! (Score:5, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 06 2005, @04:56PM (#12740437)

    Direct download links at http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r0/ [debian.org]. Bittorrent, Jigdo or direct ISO downloads (CDs or DVDs).

      • Re:MODUP! (Score:4, Informative)

        by maswan (106561) <slashdot2 AT maswan DOT mw DOT mw> on Monday June 06 2005, @06:22PM (#12741432) Homepage
        Hah! They aren't even breathing hard. Actually, demand seems to be dropping right now, I had prepared for much worse.


        As it is now, I have to apologize to the mirrors I asked for, since they aren't getting any load either.


        So, bring it on!

        /Mattias Wadenstein - cdimage.debian.org admin

  • Coincidence? (Score:4, Funny)

    by hunterx11 (778171) <hunterx11.gmail@com> on Monday June 06 2005, @04:56PM (#12740439) Homepage Journal
    In a rare show of solidarity with Apple, the Debian maintainers decided to stay with XFree86 instead of X.org when they heard that Apple was switching to x86.
    • Debian will switch to x.org - they haven't done it because, er, it'd have delayed sarge's release even more

    • Re:Coincidence? (Score:5, Informative)

      by lakeland (218447) <lakeland@acm.org> on Monday June 06 2005, @05:13PM (#12740689) Homepage
      Er... no. Debian announced it will be moving to xorg as soon as xorg makes a proper release instead of a legacy release. I think debian was the first distro to announce a switch to xorg, though I may be wrong.

      In order to get off the ground quickly, xorg has been releasing versions based on xmkmf that have only really been tested on x86 and ppc. That's great, and means 90% of the people reading this can run xorg now instead of waiting six months for a non-legacy version.

      Debian has been about doing things right, and waiting until they can do things right. They don't want to change to the transitional version of xorg and then change to the non-legacy version of xorg in six months. When xorg gets around to a proper build script based around configure, and starts supporting all the architectures of xfree86, then debian will switch to them.
      • "proper build script based around configure"

        autoconf is a quick and dirty hack that has put decent source and library package management back decades. There's nothing "proper" about it, it's just the most popular kid in town.

        • Why do you say that?

          Can you please cite some examples where autoconf is lacking and provide cases where there is an existing software which addresses this shortcoming?

          I know it's very easy to make a statement that something is bad, but to be truely useful information it helps to provide specifics.

          • 1. autoconf tries to have logic for every single supported architecture within it, but of course it only supports the ones that were known at the time of building, and can't handle quirks. You have to build the in manually... compile flags can be particularly evil.. (Digital Unix take a bow!), plus multiple linux distros do things in different ways even if the core OS is the same (Redhat is particularly bad for this... if you don't include certain headers in certain orders if screws up eg. kerberos is dep
          • SCons tries to improve over Autoconf/Automake, and it's easier
            to make the initial config files:
            http://scons.sourceforge.net/ [sourceforge.net]

  • Way to go, guys! (Score:3, Funny)

    by stinky wizzleteats (552063) on Monday June 06 2005, @04:57PM (#12740445) Homepage Journal
    Congrats all around. Even though I haven't been much of a Debian user, I am very pleased to see this. Making the June 6 projected release date sends a great message to the rest of the larger Linux community.

  • Whew! (Score:5, Funny)

    by .killedkenny (589139) on Monday June 06 2005, @04:58PM (#12740467)
    Maintaining a 3-year-old Woody has been quite er...hard.

  • Yea D-Day has arrived! (Score:3, Funny)

    by OmegaBlac (752432) on Monday June 06 2005, @04:59PM (#12740500)
    I felt a great disturbance in the Force, as if millions of "But Debian is so ancient" trolls suddenly cried out in frustration and were suddenly silenced.
    • Nooooooooooooooooooooooo! Not that joke again!

      • Re:Guess what? It is. (Score:5, Insightful)

        by petermgreen (876956) <plugwash@@@p10link...net> on Monday June 06 2005, @05:34PM (#12740936) Homepage
        is 14 cds all that big for what is essentially an archive of every peice of free software a debian maintainer has ever cared to package?

        packages on the cds (i belive cd1 is an exception getting special criteria) are placed onto cds by popcon (an optional package that reports back what packages you have installed) output so the high cds will contain really obscure stuff

        the only time i'd even consider getting or making a full cd set is if i knew i was going to be away from the net for a long time.

        if you have a net connection just use either the buisnesscard (base system and full selection of kernels) the netinst (base system and stuff you need for the standard "tasks") or the full cd1. don't bother with the other cds.
  • The original story (I'm the submitter) says that the main Debian site doesn't have the news yet. It has been updated to reflect the release between the time I submitted the story and the time it was posted.

    The news release is here [debian.org].

  • Working download link (Score:5, Informative)

    by maswan (106561) <slashdot2 AT maswan DOT mw DOT mw> on Monday June 06 2005, @05:04PM (#12740572) Homepage
    Feel free to download cd and dvd images from cdimage.debian.org [debian.org], we should have plenty of capacity.


    And if we run out, we will do http-redirects to our mirrors around the world, so don't be afraid to get your Sarge now!

    /Mattias Wadenstein - mirror admin, cdimage.debian.org

  • For those who are using, or want to use, Debian Stable (now 'sarge'), but want KDE 3.4 (instead of 3.3), you can get it from pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org [debian.org].

    For those who've been using sarge via its 'Testing' monicker, I'm guessing KDE 3.4 will hit 'etch' (the new 'Testing') in the coming weeks.

    Enjoy!

  • If Hell has frozen over... (Score:5, Funny)

    by rdwald (831442) on Monday June 06 2005, @05:30PM (#12740893)
    ...why don't I have a girlfriend?

  • End of days! (Score:5, Funny)

    by fsterman (519061) on Monday June 06 2005, @05:43PM (#12741022) Homepage
    Red Sox win
    We know who deep throat is
    Apple switches to X86
    and Sarge was actually released.

    Its armageddon. Or the Heart Of Gold just flew by.

  • My next three commands... (Score:5, Funny)

    by jusdisgi (617863) on Monday June 06 2005, @05:43PM (#12741025)
    Finally I get to run:

    apt-get update
    apt-get dist-upgrade
    apt-get install duke-nukem-forever

    Yes!!!!

      • unless you're running as root (bad, bad, BAD!!!!) I think you're forgetting something :)

        Well, at first I saw your handle and figured you were just some Ubuntu-n00b that got told "root's bad, mmkay?" and figured it was now his right as a newly-1337 assclown to go around and scold people for this shit.

        But then I looked at the number by that handle, and realized that it is far, far too low. Ubuntu wasn't even a glimmer in Debian's eye when you signed up.

        So....you've got no excuse. And I must answer:

        Hey p

  • Debian for Users (Score:3, Informative)

    by digitaltraveller (167469) on Monday June 06 2005, @05:49PM (#12741081) Homepage

    From the release announcement [debian.org]:

    With the development of the new debian-installer, this release features a new, modular and sophisticated installation routine with integrated hardware detection and unattended installation capabilities.

    One problem for newbies solved.

    Now if they only come up with a friendly alternative to dselect that lets you mix and match packages from the unstable tree, I might start reccomending debian to newbies. Heck, I might even use it myself.
  • Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 includes the efforts of the Debian-Edu/Skolelinux, Debian-Med and Debian-Accessibility sub-projects which boosted the number of educational packages and those with a medical affiliation as well as packages designed especially for people with disabilities.

    I spent a weekend doing accessability evaluations on computers. The assignment was for Windows, but the teacher let me use Linux since that was all I had. Turns out my Debian-Linux distrobution had far more accessability features available than anything Windows had. If I had a microphone and a few cameras I could really go to town. But it is worth mentioning that the Linux community as a whole and Debian in particular has done a better than industry standard job at this>

  • x86_64 Support? (Score:3, Interesting)

    by imemyself (757318) on Monday June 06 2005, @05:57PM (#12741164)
    I know its not 100% necessary to run on AMD64/EM64T processors, and it may or may not even give performance advantages yet, but I think its kind of odd that they have binaries available for pretty minor platforms but don't have any specifically for probably the second most popular after regular x86. I mean RH/Fedora, SuSE, Mandrake, and even Debian-based distros like Ubuntu have x86_64 support, its kind of surprising that Debian doesn't. (And I'm not saying I don't like Debian. I mean apt seriously kicks ass.)

    Will x86_64 be "supported" in whatever will be the next Debian testing? And will Sarge's release mean that testing will rapidly be modernized? If so, I'm looking forward to it.

  • So... (Score:3, Funny)

    by IntergalacticWalrus (720648) on Monday June 06 2005, @07:39PM (#12742102)
    I guess that by the end of the day, Duke Nukem Forever will be out.

  • Obligatory Debian Joke (Score:5, Funny)

    by beforewisdom (729725) on Tuesday June 07 2005, @06:56AM (#12745276)
    Wow! Fireforx 1.04 ?!

    I only have Firefox 1.0. You know, when a Debian release has a higher browser version then you do, you know it is time to upgrade.

    • Re:Bill gates alert! (Score:4, Informative)

      by gregmac (629064) on Monday June 06 2005, @05:04PM (#12740581) Homepage
      Most people install Debian with the net-install CD (or at least, they should). It's about a 100MB iso that gets a base system installed, and then you can use apt-get to install anything else you'd like. Because of debian's great package management, it also means this CD can be quite old and still install a current version - you just have to apt-get dist-upgrade as soon as you're done installing. Using the same method you can also convert your system to unstable if you'd like.

      All 14 CDs include EVERY package (as in, you'll get 6 or 7 web browsers, media players, and every other obscure program that is in the repository) and source. That's probably unnecessary for 99% of people out there. Not to mention a fairly big waste of bandwidth to download.

      • Re:Bill gates alert! (Score:5, Informative)

        by Phil Hands (2365) on Monday June 06 2005, @05:29PM (#12740881) Homepage
        All 14 CDs include EVERY package (...) and source.

        Almost right, 14 CDs is just the binaries (on average, several architectures take 13, ia64 takes 15)

        Source takes 15 more CDs

        For a full set of CDs (that only an anal collector would actually want) for all 11 archs, and the source, you'll need 164 CDs :-)

        As you say, the netinst image [debian.org] is the way to go, unless you want to send a copy to a friend who has no internet connection.
          • jigdo allows the load to be spread over more mirrors (since it can use any debian mirror not just those that have the cd images) but its still downloading from thier mirrors.

            bittorrent otoh gives most of the load to the downloaders.

    • Re:Kernel (Score:3, Informative)

      by Trashman (3003)
      I believe The default is 2.4. but you can have 2.6 at install time if you type linux26 @ the boot prompt. 2.6.8 ships with Sarge.
    • before you even think of doing this on a remote system.

      1: there is a package called doc-base that if installed will cause BIG problems unless you upgrade or remove it first.

      2: aptitude is generally considered to make safer descions about upgrade order than apt-get

    • You have to wait for the signals (Score:5, Funny)

      by theMinorcan (889958) on Monday June 06 2005, @05:40PM (#12740984) Journal
      Now, when can we expect Etch?

      These are some of the things that happened between Debian releases:
      a) The Olympic games returned to Greece.
      b) The Pope died.
      c) A German Pope got elected in a conclave.
      d) Apple switched to Intel.
      e) Watergate's Deep Throat identity was revealed.
      f) The French rejected the European Constitution
      g) Boston won the World Series.
      So just sit, be patient and wait for the signals my son.

    • Re:Excellent news! (Score:4, Interesting)

      by EinarH (583836) on Monday June 06 2005, @05:48PM (#12741065) Journal
      IIRC most of those are old bugs from installation reports. They are typicaly quite shallow, like some obscure and hard to reproduce bug in a controller or arch.

      I would think that the team tried to work it out and didn't succeed. Sometimes you've just got to draw that line in the sand and say; that's it: Your bug is not important enough to hold back the whole release.

      Congratulations to the Debian developers.

        • They will, when it has more established support for the different architectures.

          These things take time to do them right the first time. But possibly not as long as doing it wrong and trying to fix it a few times, but who wants to spend their entire life playing at a keyboard?

    • If that's your sources.list, you are running Sid (unstable), not Sarge (which was "testing" until today, and is now "stable"). Anyway, your problems come from the fact that non-us has been deprecated. See section 2.1.2 [debian.org] of the Sarge release notes. Delete the non-US lines from sources.list, re-run apt-get update and you should be fine.

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