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Ubuntu For PPC, And As A Live CD 289

Posted by timothy from the just-in-time-for-trick-or-treaters dept.
Jeff writes "Ubuntu is just sweet. For Mac users it is even sweeter, as you can read in this review: it supports hardware like a charm ad now with a live CD out everyone can taste ... sorry, test it." And Chris writes "Gnoppix 0.8.1 now appears to be Ubuntu Linux based. At OSDir, we've got over 50 screenshots of the Gnoppix 0.8.1 release, including the controversial Ubuntu desktop background images." (See this earlier story; the default background images have been changed in Ubuntu proper, so the "controversy" need not keep you up nights.) The Gnoppix version is a very nice Gnome-based live CD, with fewer apps but more polish than most live CDs I've tried. (Note that this is not the same as the official Ubuntu CD, and that the PPC version is not a live CD.)
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  • Ubuntu (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 27, 2004 @07:06AM (#10640219)
    Why does everyone love Ubuntu? It seems like it's how slackware was in the mid 90s. it's the 3133+ distro.

    • Re:Ubuntu (Score:5, Interesting)

      by punkrockguy318 ( 808639 ) on Wednesday October 27, 2004 @07:14AM (#10640253) Homepage
      Ubuntu is the only distro I'd reccomend for new users. It uses Apt for package management, packages are very stable and "just work", great hardware detection, easy installation, nice menus, uses hal + dbus for hardware configuration and such... Also the project has proper funding and is going in the right direction. That's why everyone loves Ubuntu. I don't use Ubuntu, because it doesn't fit my needs. I don't need my distro to configure hardware for me and such. I use Arch so I can have everything I want just how I want it: no more no less.
      • Yeah .. *ahem* .. all of that Apt package management is for naught if, after doing a successful install, you still don't get icons in your Program menu.

        This is the #1 problem I have with Ubuntu so far (besides the slow X refresh rate...), its so frustrating to have to work out how to start apps once they've installed, and I usually just resort back to the shell to fire things up .. stupid!

    • Re:Ubuntu (Score:3, Funny)

      by phaze3000 ( 204500 )
      Becuase the kiddies got bored of waiting for their 31337 Gentoo machines to compile.
    • 1) It "just works"
      2) It's stable
      3) It's fast
      4) It's up-to-date
      5) Did I mention it just works?

    • Re:Ubuntu (Score:3, Interesting)

      by mike_sucks ( 55259 )
      Because it rocks! It's based on Debian, but stable *and* up-to-date. It is the only distro that Just Works.

      My friend (just enough technical knowledge to set up a Windows machine) successfully installed Ubuntu last night by himself, the first time he has managed to successfully install a Linux distro.

      The desktop is well thought out, it comes with graphical tools to do most common system configuration and there aren't several billion menus of applications to wase through - there's just one each of what is c

    • So Easy that the only complaint is the artwork... (Score:5, Interesting)

      by Cuchullain ( 25146 ) on Wednesday October 27, 2004 @10:21AM (#10641401) Homepage
      In a nutshell, the thing that has amazed me is how easy it was to set up. I was running slack with dropline, and this was a transparent replacement.

      Mind you, I reinstalled rather than upgraded, but it was frighteningly simple to get EVERY device on my thinkpad working, including the wireless.

      It just works. Beyond that they have kept the amount of stuff installed to a reasonable minimum, so that I don't have to fish through 10,000 packages.

      That is why there is such a furor over the 'disputed' artwork in my opinion. The distro works so well that people have nothing else to bitch about.

      K

  • Controversial theme? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by An Onimous Cow Herd ( 8409 ) on Wednesday October 27, 2004 @07:06AM (#10640224)
    err... anyone got a link to the controversial theme so we can see what all the fuss was about?
    • Right here: http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20041025#f dow

    • Re:Controversial theme? (Score:5, Insightful)

      by vinsci ( 537958 ) on Wednesday October 27, 2004 @07:11AM (#10640241) Journal
      Apparently it is a photo of humans hugging. It would be perfectly ok if they pointed guns and shot at each other, as usual.The screenshots [osdir.com] in the 50 range on osdir have that background.
      • You see more sexually-explicit imagery in toothpaste adverts. What the hell is all the fuss about?
        • Perhaps you missed the sarcasm in my post. :-)

          The theme is very appropriately named Human.

        • Re:That is fucking ridiculous (Score:5, Interesting)

          by BenjyD ( 316700 ) on Wednesday October 27, 2004 @07:48AM (#10640387)
          Dammit, put that can of worms down.

          There was extensive discussion on the users list and an IRC community meeting about the 'controversial' artwork. Very few people actually had a problem with it directly, but most people thought it was a bad idea as the default for a distro that wanted to be taken seriously and appeal to as broad a userbase as possible. There were plenty of real-world examples from people who wanted to deploy Ubuntu in their company but would have to create custom install-images to change the default.

          My take on it was that I didn't want my computer to look like a Bennetton advert; more that it was goofy looking than that it might upset people.

          That artwork is still installed, it's just not selected by default.
          • That's exactly the problem, you prude. Not that it's illegal to show people hugging each other, but that's it's considered "improper" in the society. Not that blacks are somehow inferiour to us, humans, but you are "not supposed" to put them on wallpapers and login screens. Not that I am racist, Jimmy, but I don't want you to play with those niggers in school. Not that it's illegal for free adults to care about each other, but we must protect the sacred institution of marriage. Or something...

            This is sick,
        • I dunno, I found that image to be quite sexy, two hot chicks with big smiles, nice top-down boob profiles, standing in a suggestive circle, implying that .. once you log in .. the 3 of them are gonna get it on ..

        • Re:That is fucking ridiculous (Score:5, Informative)

          by elFarto the 2nd ( 709099 ) on Wednesday October 27, 2004 @07:53AM (#10640403)
          http://img62.exs.cx/img62/4553/screenshot4.png [img62.exs.cx] http://img61.exs.cx/img61/7370/screenshot-1.png [img61.exs.cx] http://img51.exs.cx/img51/4012/screenshot-2.png [img51.exs.cx]

          Here are the images from the thread, and I agree with you. What sort of a fucked up world do we live in, where we can show images of people killing other people, but not of 3 people caring for each other.

          Regards
          elFarto
          • Hmm. I agree, too; I don't really see why anyone would be opposed to those images. They're nice and professionally-done; certainly neither "offensive" nor "goofy".
            • While they are tastefully done and pleasing to look at, I wouldn't want them on my desktop, and would certainly be embarrased if I had just done an install and a friend or family member walked in before I had the theme changed.

              So I respect the fact that you don't have a problem with them and want them to stay, just as I would hope you respect the fact that I don't mind them as an option, but think they are inappropriate for the default.
      • Well yeah... you know the bible... when god created man he was fully dressed.
        Wasn't untill the devil corrupted man (the part about the apple) that they got they idea that they could take their cloth off.
        The bible is pretty clear on this, so showing pictures of naked skin is really waving a red cloth at the christian community.
        Maybe they should make a new version of the background where they wore burkas.

      • Apparently it is a photo of humans hugging. It would be perfectly ok if they pointed guns and shot at each other, as usual.

        Actually, they're not "hugging"; they're just sort of standing there looking stoned.. Or maybe that's supposed to be an attitude - "we're tough, we're rebels, we're naked - and we have varying skin tones, so we're oh so enlightened".

        I would find it less annoying if there were some actual sexuality there. Instead, you have all of the immorality of one naked guy and two naked girl

      • Re:Controversial theme? (Score:3, Insightful)

        by NtroP ( 649992 )
        I want to use it in our schools. We have a lot of older macs that either can't run OS X efficiently or would be very expensive to upgrade. We also have a lot of older and donated PCs that I want to load Linux on. With Ubuntu I can make use of our fairly extensive deployment of both Windows and Linux Terminal Service farms with rdesktop and X making those older computers effectively scream.

        Unfortunately, many people wouldn't understand having that picture show up on their desktop or splash-screens. This

    • Re:Controversial theme? (Score:2, Informative)

      by Anonymous Coward
      you can view a log of the meeting here http://people.ubuntu.com/~thom/ubuntu-artwork-meet ing.log [ubuntu.com]
    • I think they're talking about the desktop background where you can see two nice topless women in the arms of this beautifull guy, with a ubuntu logo on the right. (can't find the link anymore, it's getting slow)
      I'm all for naked women everywhere and i'm a anti censorship guy, but this one like saying "take ubuntu, look cool and those mindless beautifull cheeks will think you're so great that you'll have two at a time". I don't think females will like that one bit and this time i can understand why...

      • Re:Controversial theme? (Score:5, Funny)

        by StikyPad ( 445176 ) on Wednesday October 27, 2004 @07:46AM (#10640376) Homepage
        I don't think females will like that one bit and this time i can understand why...

        Exactly.. females have worked long and hard to make it clear that nerds can't get them, let alone two at a time.
    • They are very controversial - they *gasp* show real people in them :p

      Seriously, they have resolved the issue quite well IMHO. A nice summary can be found in the latest Ubuntu Traffic:
      http://people.ubuntulinux.org/~mako/ubun tu-traffic /u20041015_08.html
    • The site linked below is farked (sorry slashdotted), so I used alltheweb.

      If I have found the correct picture, it's three young athletic people interlocking arms, viewed from above. Representative of both genders and at least 3 races.

      I'm not sure what the offence is, 'cause I missed the previous flap. But I'm guessing:

      It's young athletic people. Linux geeks thought they were some alien life form and were afraid.

      It's too PC. Linux geeks thought it came out of Berkeley, and was therefore FreeBSD, not

  • Ubuntu is great (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 27, 2004 @07:10AM (#10640236)
    After having played around with it for quite some time now I have to say that Ubuntu is really a great distribution.

    It's really solid though it is only in it's first release now, the desktop is really well thought out, the package selection makes sense and doesn't overwhelm new users but you still can use thousands and thousands of debian packages if you are so inclined.

    This distro for me really strikes the right balance between ease of use on the one hand and not taking away the power and choice of linux on the other hand.

    All in all I'm really impressed and even now looking forward to the next release. And this is coming from someone who normally uses KDE and Gentoo, so if you impress someone like me with a Debian based Gnome distro you certainly did something right.

  • Live cds DOA here (Score:2, Insightful)

    by poptones ( 653660 )
    As a gnomiac I have been wanting to give ubunta a proper try, but don't want to have to go through an install on my desktop and don't have a machine to spare right now. So I downloaded the ubuntu live Cd and found - like most live CDs - the effort was a complete waste of time. Ok, given that it takes me like a half hour to download it wasn't a LOT of effort, but I was disappointed because I had heard so many good things.

    I've also tried two releases of gnoppix and found neither of them to work any better on
  • On the link included in the article. From my reading of this posting, it seems to say that Ubuntu has a PPC live CD image available for download, but that does not seem to be the case. I see an i386 live cd (which I downloaded last week), and a PPC install CD. I checked 3 of the download sites.

    Did I miss something?

  • Polish? (Score:4, Funny)

    by iamdrscience ( 541136 ) on Wednesday October 27, 2004 @07:36AM (#10640332) Homepage
    The Gnoppix version is a very nice Gnome-based live CD, with fewer apps but
    more polish than most live CDs I've tried.
    So what, it comes with a solar-powered screen door or something? I thought Ubuntu was an African word, not Polish, but whatever. Niech yje Polska!

  • I'm running it on my tiBook (Score:5, Informative)

    by torpor ( 458 ) <ibisum AT gmail DOT com> on Wednesday October 27, 2004 @07:51AM (#10640394) Homepage Journal
    .. dual-boot with OSX.

    Mine is the rev-a powerbook (the one with the firewire problems), so maybe its my hardware, but the default X config that ships with Ubuntu is s-l-o-w .. you can see visible tearing with rect updates in the manager, though the system generally feels (from the cmd line) about as fast as it should be.

    It is pretty darn nice, sloppy GUI aside, to be running Linux on this machine, which has been a trusty and productive computer (running OSX) since I got it. It truly is pleasurable to have the two best operating sytems around as a selection on my powerBook .. and with Mac-On-Linux (installed, but not properly config'ed .. yet) I'll be in real heaven, using OSX for candy and Linux for hard-core work.

    OSX is a great Unix, anyway, but for the things that I can't be bothered porting (or using fink to install), and just want to check out anyway, a quick boot into Linux to have a complete 'standard-ish' Linux system to apply that code to, is really productive.

    If you've got a PowerBook, I urge you to dual-boot it with Linux/OSX. It will give you some serious reflection about the power of your computer, I think, to see Linux running on it, and OSX side-by-side, as well ..

  • Morphix Based (Score:5, Informative)

    by bmsleight ( 710084 ) on Wednesday October 27, 2004 @07:53AM (#10640398) Homepage
    And Chris writes "Gnoppix 0.8.1 now appears to be Ubuntu Linux based. "

    The Ubuntu LiveCD and the Gnoppix LiveCD are based upon Morphix, which basically takes away the hard work of re-mastering a Knoppix CD. The base, the part based upon Knoppix contains the kernel, kernel modules, hardware detection, etc. This base is left untouched. You can either a change a mainmod or add lots of minimodules to make different liveCDs

    The Ubuntu LiveCD is built using one of Morphix [morphix.org] Tools Module Maker [alextreme.org]. Feed you XML file into module maker and out pops your mainmodule for the LiveCD.

    There are a range of tools Morphix tools available to make a LiveCD. Such as Module Maker [alextreme.org] ibuild [livecd.net] and TROM [morphix.org]. It is even possible to save you files, configuration and setting to the Morphix LiveCD you using using CD persistant, ready for next boot up. Did I mention the GUI Morphix installer ?

  • Ubuntu CDs (Score:3, Interesting)

    by crazy_zulu ( 727861 ) on Wednesday October 27, 2004 @08:49AM (#10640636) Homepage Journal
    After Novell surpised me by sending Suse DVD's all the way to the bushes in Africa I could not stop myself from requesting some Ubuntu CD's (I am still on a 56K modem and Telkom charges an arm and a leg for connecting to the internet). I am now watching the mail box like a hawk. Thank You Mark in advance Anxiously waiting for Ubuntu CD's.

  • Ubuntu is anything but a newbies distro ! (Score:5, Informative)

    by bushboy ( 112290 ) <lttc@lefthandedmonkeys.org> on Wednesday October 27, 2004 @08:51AM (#10640648) Homepage
    A Newbie to Linux is not going to have much fun installing the Ubuntu Warty 4.1 release, unless they just let it "do it's own thing" which will more than likely end up destroying all the data they have on thier hard drive, namely, windows.

    Perhaps a "newbie to Debian" would be a more accurate description.

    I tried it recently and as a slackware 'fancier' I must admit it didn't suit me. In fact, I've never been able to get used to the idiosyncracies of Debain based distributions, even though it's supposedly so easy.

    I installed and am giving it the benefit of the dought - who knows, perhaps I'll become a convert and learn to love the Debian way as much as I like Slackware !

    But Ubuntu a newbies distro ? - wow, maybe the LiveCD, but the i386 I tried is anything but !
  • 'Cos we all know that P2P is essentially evil and serves no purpose for legal distribution of large files, even so here's the BitTorrent Link [ubuntu.com]
  • Anybody know when Gnoppix 8.1 REL will be released? The Gnoppix website said October 20, 2004, but there has been no announcement of its release.

    Andrew

  • Had me sold until (Score:3, Insightful)

    by beforewisdom ( 729725 ) on Wednesday October 27, 2004 @10:06AM (#10641272)
    the said the distro was gnome only.

    I recently converted to the KDE after being a die hard icewm user.

    I've read so many comments on slashdot about what a pain in the ass Gnome is.

    If I want to futz, I will go back to icewm.

  • somebody slashdot the .torrent so the download can move faster.

    My brain hurts just saying that.
  • I installed Ubuntu on my PowerMac G4 last night. It recognized my Airport card and worked flawlessly.

    Perhaps the only problem that I had was burning the Ubuntu ISO, which kept causing Disk Tool/hdiutil to crash. I ended up installing CDRecord to burn the .iso.
  • Does anyone know where I can get the ISO of an Enemy Territory LiveCD? I know Gentoo Games released one, but their website has been down forever, and I can't find a torrent of any on Suprnova or any other torrent sites. Lots of googling isn't helping either? I know this is a bit offtopic, but any answers would be terrific. Thanks.
  • But dies very promptly on my Laptop (which is fully supported (bar possibly the model) under Linux. Not that I'm bitching but they still have some work to do.

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